The one issue uniting America right now is everyone saying "fuck this guy."
I don't know enough about him personally to say "fuck this guy," but I will say it's...interesting that some bigshot got taken out so easily. So it's more what it represents, than whether or not this specific guy deserved it. Does sound like he was sleezy, at the very least, though.
An unusual feature of modernity is people who regularly make life or death decisions for others rarely actually face threat of violence for making those decisions.
Heath Insurance companies are the Designated Bad Guy in the US's socialized healthcare system (since they're the only entity placing downward pressure on the infinite amounts of money that could be spent given the lack of price signals everywhere else in the system) so the CEO is simply playing his part, but I think the return of the "pitchfork waving mob" solution is an interesting development we haven't seen for awhile.
As Thomas Jefferson has said "The tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
Even if this man himself wasn't a "tyrant" any more than any CEO was, it should still give them pause to understand the consequences and weight of their actions.
He was only a CEO, rather than anyone actually famous who might have warranted actual security despite the evidently extremely antagonistic parties currently blogging about this and not losing any sleep over his death.
Insurance is one of those industries that no matter your class, politics, or any other demographic you have been fucked over by in some way. Every single person in a "civilized" country hates them, and I doubt even the guys working in them don't hate everyone else in them too.
You can't be openly and actually evil like they are and expect anything but the most dismissive and hateful responses back to your tragedies.
And honestly, if they bungle their own response to this poorly enough it can easily cause a lot of repeats of it, which will be met with similar cheers which will motivate even more people.
Insurance is in the bad position of having to sniff out frauds from people in genuine need. There's a lot of people that will engage in extremely scummy behavior hoping for an insurance payout. Automotive-medical fraud, arson as an alternative to selling a property, etc.
Instead of fixing insurance we need to address the underlying causes why insurance even exists. Emergencies should not be economically devastating.
While that is true, I don't think fraud even comes close to the amount of times insurance is just dismissive of people in genuine need. Like for every guy who burns his business down to collect insurance, there are dozens who just lost a home in a flood that get handed a pittance and told to figure it out. I lived in Hurricane country and you had to have multiple home insurances legally (wind, flood, etc.) and every one of them would refuse to pay because of things like "well the wave of water was caused by the wind blowing, so its not our domain, bye."
Emergencies should not be economically devastating.
The problem is that this is circular logic. If insurance paid out reliably and was realistically affordable, emergencies wouldn't be devastating because they'd be covered by a service you paid for to keep their cost within range of what a normal person can afford.
So it comes right back to insurance being far too expensive and far too stingy, which makes every normal person hate them. They might have some genuine reasons for doing so, but the insurance industry is giga rich which undermines them nickle and diming regular people.
They are a business and out to make money, but when your business is in human suffering and you make your money by telling people to die in pain so you can save a buck you have no moral ground to stand on.
Insurance only exists because it is propped up by government regulation. You are (practically speaking) forced to have insurance because the healthcare providers gouge their services.
They gouge their services because there is so much red tape that there is virtually no competition and they can get away with it. If you see what they bill individuals vs what they bill insurance companies, it's insane.
If we had anywhere near a free market, new providers who could do the same thing at 85% the overhead would spring up and eat their lunch.
"Thank you for choosing United Healthcare for your healthcare needs. After a careful review of the claim submitted for emergency services on December 4, 2024, we regret to inform you that your request for coverage has been denied.
Our denial is based on the following findings:
Lack of Prior Authorization: Our records indicate that you failed to obtain prior authorization before seeking care for the gunshot wound to your chest. While we acknowledge the emergent nature of the situation, our policy requires that all non-preventative services, including “unexpected chest injuries,” be pre-approved through our 24/7 Prior Authorization Hotline. Unfortunately, our hotline received no such call during your ambulance transport or at any point before your admission to the emergency room.
Failure to Prove Medical Necessity: The submitted documentation does not sufficiently demonstrate that treatment for a penetrating chest wound meets the definition of “medically necessary.” Our guidelines specify that life-threatening conditions must be substantiated with a second opinion from a network provider, preferably before care is rendered.
Alternative Options Not Explored: Based on our retrospective analysis, alternative, more cost-effective treatment options—such as a virtual telehealth consult or at-home first aid—were not attempted prior to your emergency room visit. We understand that you were actively “bleeding out,” but this does not exempt you from exploring lower-cost care pathways.
Out-of-Network Care: The emergency room where you received treatment is not within our network. While City General is geographically closer to the location of your shooting, our network partner, DiscountCare Clinic, is only 25 miles away and equipped with staplers and gauze for such injuries.
Next Steps: You may file an appeal within 30 days if you believe this decision is incorrect. Appeals must include:
A notarized letter from the attending physician, explaining why you thought you were entitled to not bleed to death while waiting for approval.
Evidence that your injuries were, in fact, serious enough to merit immediate attention, such as photos, videos, or live reenactments.
We encourage you to familiarize yourself with your plan benefits and utilize in-network providers for future incidents. Please do not hesitate to reach out to our customer support team if you have questions about this
Sincerely and in good health, United Healthcare
P.S. Remember: Preventative care is the best care! If you’d like, we can help you schedule your annual physical or connect you to a mindfulness seminar to prevent future traumatic injuries."
I live in Quebec and when I tried to get an urgent appointment for the next day ( 24h urgency criteria met ), I had time to do two trips to the ER for urgent care exams and test before the hotline called me back almost 2 days after contact request to set an appointment within 1 to 3 days.
And ER waiting times were surprisingly short this time : about 4 hours total. Average wait is 9 hours in Quebec.
Even if the other ER visit is to see the doctor for tests requested by the previous doctor who told you to come back to the ER, you're back in line.
I got absurdly lucky to stumble-into an abnormally low workload moment.
P.S. : If you want to argue ''at least you got treated for free'', first, taxes, and 40% of the whole budget here is healthcare, then the doctor failed to figure the problem and prescribed drugs that I had to pay practically full-price, either didn't work, or made me sick. Flushing the money down the drain would have been a more positive move.
So now I will have to do tests for the medication-induced sickness hoping they don't fucking kill me this time.
Interesting parallels between the reaction to this shooting and Daniel Penny. Leftists want to see Penny put away forever for subduing a violent negro who was threatening people in place they couldn't flee from, but a premeditated murder of a CEO makes the other guy a folk hero. I'd bet if the CEO was an Indian woman or something it would be different.
They just wouldn't even know the CEO wasn't white, their news void wouldn't report that part.
Like how they think to this day that Kyle Rittenhouse in cold blood murdered three innocent black guys out protesting for 'social justice' instead of 3 white convicted pedos.
The overhyped press coverage of this absolutely reeks of false consensus building.
Bunch of commie journalists churning out piece after piece saying, "oooh, look at all the people agreeing with the lone wolf actor. This might be the start of something. Nudge nudge. C'mon, do something."
Remember that whole fad of articles crying about "stochastic terrorism?" Pure projection.
keke all these years of brainwashing the women, all that shit about men that crying and emasculation, destroying IP, franchises, destroying your industry, unleashes never-ending flow of misery against your male fighting age population under the belief you can swap them with new males immigrants, all those sinecures and positions of power given out to civilization destroying spiteful mutants. all for the sake of controlling a critical mass of votes and especially women votes to stay in charge.
then one chud shot one of yours and the women cream for him instantly and the lefties still want to kill you, was it worth globohomo? eh tell me was it worth it?
The one issue uniting America right now is everyone saying "fuck this guy."
I don't know enough about him personally to say "fuck this guy," but I will say it's...interesting that some bigshot got taken out so easily. So it's more what it represents, than whether or not this specific guy deserved it. Does sound like he was sleezy, at the very least, though.
An unusual feature of modernity is people who regularly make life or death decisions for others rarely actually face threat of violence for making those decisions.
Heath Insurance companies are the Designated Bad Guy in the US's socialized healthcare system (since they're the only entity placing downward pressure on the infinite amounts of money that could be spent given the lack of price signals everywhere else in the system) so the CEO is simply playing his part, but I think the return of the "pitchfork waving mob" solution is an interesting development we haven't seen for awhile.
As Thomas Jefferson has said "The tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
Even if this man himself wasn't a "tyrant" any more than any CEO was, it should still give them pause to understand the consequences and weight of their actions.
He was only a CEO, rather than anyone actually famous who might have warranted actual security despite the evidently extremely antagonistic parties currently blogging about this and not losing any sleep over his death.
"It's about sending a message". One would assume.
Yeah, I definitely don't trust how easy this whole thing seems to have happened.
What we need is a couple dozen more so that we can establish some sort of baseline for a more thorough scientific study....
This guy sciences.
CEO's generally don't have security.
Insurance is one of those industries that no matter your class, politics, or any other demographic you have been fucked over by in some way. Every single person in a "civilized" country hates them, and I doubt even the guys working in them don't hate everyone else in them too.
You can't be openly and actually evil like they are and expect anything but the most dismissive and hateful responses back to your tragedies.
And honestly, if they bungle their own response to this poorly enough it can easily cause a lot of repeats of it, which will be met with similar cheers which will motivate even more people.
"It was a shot heard 'round the world, The start of a revolution" ....
Insurance is in the bad position of having to sniff out frauds from people in genuine need. There's a lot of people that will engage in extremely scummy behavior hoping for an insurance payout. Automotive-medical fraud, arson as an alternative to selling a property, etc.
Instead of fixing insurance we need to address the underlying causes why insurance even exists. Emergencies should not be economically devastating.
While that is true, I don't think fraud even comes close to the amount of times insurance is just dismissive of people in genuine need. Like for every guy who burns his business down to collect insurance, there are dozens who just lost a home in a flood that get handed a pittance and told to figure it out. I lived in Hurricane country and you had to have multiple home insurances legally (wind, flood, etc.) and every one of them would refuse to pay because of things like "well the wave of water was caused by the wind blowing, so its not our domain, bye."
The problem is that this is circular logic. If insurance paid out reliably and was realistically affordable, emergencies wouldn't be devastating because they'd be covered by a service you paid for to keep their cost within range of what a normal person can afford.
So it comes right back to insurance being far too expensive and far too stingy, which makes every normal person hate them. They might have some genuine reasons for doing so, but the insurance industry is giga rich which undermines them nickle and diming regular people.
They are a business and out to make money, but when your business is in human suffering and you make your money by telling people to die in pain so you can save a buck you have no moral ground to stand on.
Insurance only exists because it is propped up by government regulation. You are (practically speaking) forced to have insurance because the healthcare providers gouge their services.
They gouge their services because there is so much red tape that there is virtually no competition and they can get away with it. If you see what they bill individuals vs what they bill insurance companies, it's insane.
If we had anywhere near a free market, new providers who could do the same thing at 85% the overhead would spring up and eat their lunch.
"Thank you for choosing United Healthcare for your healthcare needs. After a careful review of the claim submitted for emergency services on December 4, 2024, we regret to inform you that your request for coverage has been denied. Our denial is based on the following findings: Lack of Prior Authorization: Our records indicate that you failed to obtain prior authorization before seeking care for the gunshot wound to your chest. While we acknowledge the emergent nature of the situation, our policy requires that all non-preventative services, including “unexpected chest injuries,” be pre-approved through our 24/7 Prior Authorization Hotline. Unfortunately, our hotline received no such call during your ambulance transport or at any point before your admission to the emergency room. Failure to Prove Medical Necessity: The submitted documentation does not sufficiently demonstrate that treatment for a penetrating chest wound meets the definition of “medically necessary.” Our guidelines specify that life-threatening conditions must be substantiated with a second opinion from a network provider, preferably before care is rendered. Alternative Options Not Explored: Based on our retrospective analysis, alternative, more cost-effective treatment options—such as a virtual telehealth consult or at-home first aid—were not attempted prior to your emergency room visit. We understand that you were actively “bleeding out,” but this does not exempt you from exploring lower-cost care pathways. Out-of-Network Care: The emergency room where you received treatment is not within our network. While City General is geographically closer to the location of your shooting, our network partner, DiscountCare Clinic, is only 25 miles away and equipped with staplers and gauze for such injuries. Next Steps: You may file an appeal within 30 days if you believe this decision is incorrect. Appeals must include: A notarized letter from the attending physician, explaining why you thought you were entitled to not bleed to death while waiting for approval. Evidence that your injuries were, in fact, serious enough to merit immediate attention, such as photos, videos, or live reenactments. We encourage you to familiarize yourself with your plan benefits and utilize in-network providers for future incidents. Please do not hesitate to reach out to our customer support team if you have questions about this Sincerely and in good health, United Healthcare P.S. Remember: Preventative care is the best care! If you’d like, we can help you schedule your annual physical or connect you to a mindfulness seminar to prevent future traumatic injuries."
Leftists: Medicare for all will save us!
Also leftists: I hate how United Healthcare took over entire Medicare plans in some states and deny everything. They should die.
I get the feeling they would have a very different reaction if it was Fauci
That's a job for Gobling Slayer though.
The biggest retardation about all this is how they fawn over "European" health care, which is collapsing left and right.
Europe is collapsing all over, almost as if importating tribesmen from bumfuckistan was a bad idea
European media is fawning all over this - basically condoning murder :
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2eeeep0npo
Meanwhile the EU has health tourists who arrive from pakistan speaking no word of english to hoover up all their healthcare
No need to look that far.
I live in Quebec and when I tried to get an urgent appointment for the next day ( 24h urgency criteria met ), I had time to do two trips to the ER for urgent care exams and test before the hotline called me back almost 2 days after contact request to set an appointment within 1 to 3 days.
And ER waiting times were surprisingly short this time : about 4 hours total. Average wait is 9 hours in Quebec.
Even if the other ER visit is to see the doctor for tests requested by the previous doctor who told you to come back to the ER, you're back in line.
I got absurdly lucky to stumble-into an abnormally low workload moment.
P.S. : If you want to argue ''at least you got treated for free'', first, taxes, and 40% of the whole budget here is healthcare, then the doctor failed to figure the problem and prescribed drugs that I had to pay practically full-price, either didn't work, or made me sick. Flushing the money down the drain would have been a more positive move.
So now I will have to do tests for the medication-induced sickness hoping they don't fucking kill me this time.
Interesting parallels between the reaction to this shooting and Daniel Penny. Leftists want to see Penny put away forever for subduing a violent negro who was threatening people in place they couldn't flee from, but a premeditated murder of a CEO makes the other guy a folk hero. I'd bet if the CEO was an Indian woman or something it would be different.
For communists, "CEO" codes as "white" regardless of the actual race involved, similar to the way the brownest Haredi in Tel Aviv is white.
They just wouldn't even know the CEO wasn't white, their news void wouldn't report that part.
Like how they think to this day that Kyle Rittenhouse in cold blood murdered three innocent black guys out protesting for 'social justice' instead of 3 white convicted pedos.
Notice how they're not concerned that the guy who killed the CEO crossed state lines.
Save them. Once Patel overhauls the FBI, reddit is one of the first things they should be pointed at.
It's going to be fascinating to see which trends from the last 20 years just kind of fade away in 2025.
Are the woke left sure they want to open this Pandora's box? Should be entertaining either way I suppose.
Lefties want those suits dead because they're richer. Not that i have any sympathy for any of them.
The overhyped press coverage of this absolutely reeks of false consensus building.
Bunch of commie journalists churning out piece after piece saying, "oooh, look at all the people agreeing with the lone wolf actor. This might be the start of something. Nudge nudge. C'mon, do something."
Remember that whole fad of articles crying about "stochastic terrorism?" Pure projection.
Their claim to sympathy has been denied
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2lFeGA2-uc
keke all these years of brainwashing the women, all that shit about men that crying and emasculation, destroying IP, franchises, destroying your industry, unleashes never-ending flow of misery against your male fighting age population under the belief you can swap them with new males immigrants, all those sinecures and positions of power given out to civilization destroying spiteful mutants. all for the sake of controlling a critical mass of votes and especially women votes to stay in charge.
then one chud shot one of yours and the women cream for him instantly and the lefties still want to kill you, was it worth globohomo? eh tell me was it worth it?
At least americans finally figured out they can shoot someone beside schoolkids.
https://undelete.pullpush.io/r/medicine/comments/1h6h3hh/unitedhealthcare_ceo_fatally_shot_ny_post_reports/
Just one copycat and insurance CEOs are going to get armored.SUVs and bodyguards
It's called the George Remus defense.