On the one hand committing to blanket judgements is asking to get bitten in the ass if you've not gone through every case to make sure you're not also pardoning some antifa fag who got arrested for attempted murder one block away from the capitol or something.
On the other hand it's been 4 years, how the fuck are they not sure who's who yet?
But on a third hand, the way a lot of J6ers were taken was basically like being hauled away by the stasi, so maybe there's just no due process or public records available to vet some cases until they have executive powers to bitch slap the three letter feds into complying.
And finally, saying it's done on a case by case basis and still pardoning every last one of them would be a much more powerful exoneration of their terrible injustices than just a blanket pardon, it says that even under a microscope they are all individually innocent as well as as a group.
Yeah as imagine if he by blanket pardoning gets some of the feds that were active that day, those fuckers need to be locked up for instigating this shit.
That's what I'm thinking. No need to pardon intel assets who didn't rank high enough for the Ray Epps rewards package. They had to blow a lot of political capital to keep him out of jail, when so many others did nothing and still got the hammer. Deep State even paying some NYT hack to do an infamous sort of 'So what if he did it? Hasn't he suffered enough already?' article.
That's.. why I'm saying maybe they are doing separate pardons, not a blanket. So the low level agitators who were part of the set up, don't get a pardon.
I think it's a fair trade. The feds deserve worse, but anyone they abandoned were obviously considered disposable, so it's not like the feds are getting anyone of value back. They're probably not even going back; these were bottom-of-the-barrel useful idiots that were almost certainly replaced within days. I don't think they're high enough priority to justify any extension of the suffering of actual political prisoners.
With the idea that feds were imprisoned, could there be a case to be made for Biden to do a mass pardoning before stepping down? I kind of think TPTB wouldn't want a thorough investigation for each case if there are patsies to be exposed. I'm trying to imagine other pros and cons for a move like that.
To a degree you answered your own question. The government threw everything at the defendants, including making shit up from whole cloth. The level of criminal misconduct by the judiciary & prosecutor's office means that people are being convicted of things that aren't what the charges are, and even admitting to things that they didn't do so that they don't get further punished. Sorting out who should actually be pardoned might be quite difficult if you haven't been following each story.
I disagree with it because even the guilty ones should be freed because of the unacceptable conduct of the federal prison system and the DC Circuit court. However, I don't remember Trump ever saying that even guilty persons should be freed.
It is possible that if more of the J6'ers can bring their stories to light (once outside of prions), the public mind can change and make a mass pardon more palatable. Most people have no idea how bad it's gotten.
Lol Trump didn't tell the people who broke shit or fought police officers to do so. 4 years is too much time for that though but stop acting like Trump told people to be complete retards like they were that day
No, he does have a point. There was a large contingent that were present at the capitol building causing trouble before Trump had even arrived to his speaking event near the washington monument. Some people were not there to support Trump but to cause problems. There were genuinely enormous numbers of people there, and some of them were false flag goons. I strongly doubt any of the feds or the false flaggers are in jail, but the people there should be investigated properly to release the actual innocents, and the feds should be found and jailed.
The people that were charged are less than a percent of the people that were there that day. It is possible to sort out who was who and go after the feds. The right to a fair and speedy trial has been violated for everyone still imprisoned, though, so they should all be released immediately.
Nah you should cocksucker. What kind of retard decides that violent unorganized protest is a good idea because some glowie in the crowd told them to do it? Not even a useful idiot. They also ensured that legally challenging the vote that day would not happen
There are NO glowies rotting in prison for 4 years without a trial. I'd bet you any amount of money this is a fact. No glowie is THAT dedicated to "the cause" to literally throw their life away for nothing when ordered to.
Well, that's just stupid. If there were actual crimes? They'd have gone to trial long ago. These people are being held, pre-trial, without being convicted of anything.
Good. John Sullivan the BLM ‘journalist’ and his (npr camerawoman) who threatened , yelling about having a knife to get to the front (which is how he got that footage of Ashley babbit), or ray Epps, shouldn’t get to be a part of any pardon. They are why blanket pardons are a bad idea.
On the one hand committing to blanket judgements is asking to get bitten in the ass if you've not gone through every case to make sure you're not also pardoning some antifa fag who got arrested for attempted murder one block away from the capitol or something.
On the other hand it's been 4 years, how the fuck are they not sure who's who yet?
But on a third hand, the way a lot of J6ers were taken was basically like being hauled away by the stasi, so maybe there's just no due process or public records available to vet some cases until they have executive powers to bitch slap the three letter feds into complying.
And finally, saying it's done on a case by case basis and still pardoning every last one of them would be a much more powerful exoneration of their terrible injustices than just a blanket pardon, it says that even under a microscope they are all individually innocent as well as as a group.
Yeah as imagine if he by blanket pardoning gets some of the feds that were active that day, those fuckers need to be locked up for instigating this shit.
That's what I'm thinking. No need to pardon intel assets who didn't rank high enough for the Ray Epps rewards package. They had to blow a lot of political capital to keep him out of jail, when so many others did nothing and still got the hammer. Deep State even paying some NYT hack to do an infamous sort of 'So what if he did it? Hasn't he suffered enough already?' article.
Technically, Ray Epps would also be a recipient of a blanket pardon. Pardons apply regardless of whether your sentence was served.
That's.. why I'm saying maybe they are doing separate pardons, not a blanket. So the low level agitators who were part of the set up, don't get a pardon.
Yes, I added to that point
I think it's a fair trade. The feds deserve worse, but anyone they abandoned were obviously considered disposable, so it's not like the feds are getting anyone of value back. They're probably not even going back; these were bottom-of-the-barrel useful idiots that were almost certainly replaced within days. I don't think they're high enough priority to justify any extension of the suffering of actual political prisoners.
p. sure those guys already cut deals or were given wrist slaps. everyone in there should be freed asap.
Why would the feds be locked up anyways?
With the idea that feds were imprisoned, could there be a case to be made for Biden to do a mass pardoning before stepping down? I kind of think TPTB wouldn't want a thorough investigation for each case if there are patsies to be exposed. I'm trying to imagine other pros and cons for a move like that.
He needs to save every single one of them.
They wouldn't be in this mess if not for him.
He told them to show up on J6.
Something is wrong with the world if any of his most loyal followers have to rot in prison over J6 while Trump gets to enjoy being President again.
A blanket pardon is the only way to save all of them.
A case by case approach likely means some of them will be sacrificed.
You're the resident DeSantisfag. No one gives a shit what you think.
political prisoners don't get a trial
What needs to happen is we send the feds to jail, and let everyone else out
To a degree you answered your own question. The government threw everything at the defendants, including making shit up from whole cloth. The level of criminal misconduct by the judiciary & prosecutor's office means that people are being convicted of things that aren't what the charges are, and even admitting to things that they didn't do so that they don't get further punished. Sorting out who should actually be pardoned might be quite difficult if you haven't been following each story.
I'm sure someone can help sort through.
I disagree with it because even the guilty ones should be freed because of the unacceptable conduct of the federal prison system and the DC Circuit court. However, I don't remember Trump ever saying that even guilty persons should be freed.
It is possible that if more of the J6'ers can bring their stories to light (once outside of prions), the public mind can change and make a mass pardon more palatable. Most people have no idea how bad it's gotten.
It is a huge betrayal of the people who fought the most for him if Trump doesn't save them all.
They showed up because he told them to show up.
Lol Trump didn't tell the people who broke shit or fought police officers to do so. 4 years is too much time for that though but stop acting like Trump told people to be complete retards like they were that day
Go back to Reddit, Fag.
No, he does have a point. There was a large contingent that were present at the capitol building causing trouble before Trump had even arrived to his speaking event near the washington monument. Some people were not there to support Trump but to cause problems. There were genuinely enormous numbers of people there, and some of them were false flag goons. I strongly doubt any of the feds or the false flaggers are in jail, but the people there should be investigated properly to release the actual innocents, and the feds should be found and jailed.
The people that were charged are less than a percent of the people that were there that day. It is possible to sort out who was who and go after the feds. The right to a fair and speedy trial has been violated for everyone still imprisoned, though, so they should all be released immediately.
Go back to Reddit with him.
A blanket pardon would make it impossible to prosecute the actual criminals (that are likely not even in jail). What part of that are you missing?
Nah you should cocksucker. What kind of retard decides that violent unorganized protest is a good idea because some glowie in the crowd told them to do it? Not even a useful idiot. They also ensured that legally challenging the vote that day would not happen
did we expect anything else from zionist Trump. ? Lmao. He's a Judas goat
Trump has always been a Zionist. That has nothing to do with freeing his most ardent supporters.
Have you read what some of the released J6 prisoners said about their time in prison.
Absolutely horrific stories
Trump needs to save them all
It has everything to do with it. It tells you that he is not really on our side it tells you he is controlled opposition
Trump said he would pardon them all when he was running.
If he doesn't ultimately save them all, I will likely agree with your take on him.
Rent. Free.
Nah this should absolutely be handled on a case by case basis, some of them were glowies and we knew that from the start.
They may never have been punished or they may have been punished as well to help keep it under wraps that there were feds mixed in with the agitators.
I don't think this is remotely an issue at all.
There are NO glowies rotting in prison for 4 years without a trial. I'd bet you any amount of money this is a fact. No glowie is THAT dedicated to "the cause" to literally throw their life away for nothing when ordered to.
Well, that's just stupid. If there were actual crimes? They'd have gone to trial long ago. These people are being held, pre-trial, without being convicted of anything.
If onetruephilosoraptor thinks this is bad, I'm confident it's actually a great move that will lead to huge success
... according to a literally who pollster on Twitter.
Come on, man. Use your head.
I followed Eric Daugherty this cycle for his comprehensive election coverage.
He is a journalist working for the Florida Voice News and he is relatively objective with regards to MAGA compared to other biased journalists.
Discount his coverage at your own peril.
Of course not, who do they think they are? They're not nigger rappers or Jewish spies/fraudsters
Well it was a fun week of celebration before Trump immediately started backtracking and flipping on everything.
Good. John Sullivan the BLM ‘journalist’ and his (npr camerawoman) who threatened , yelling about having a knife to get to the front (which is how he got that footage of Ashley babbit), or ray Epps, shouldn’t get to be a part of any pardon. They are why blanket pardons are a bad idea.
There's 1000s right? Ain't no way
Gotta drip feed the show to keep people distracted from ww3. It's like aliens only real.