When they tell everyone their explicit goals and our only response is to vote harder
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Enough.
You are either for Trump or Harris.
There is no third option.
None.
American elections are like Hong kong elections. You have several candidates, some are obviously better than others. But they are all controlled by CCP.
I'll trust our candidates more if they didn't all have jewish family members like how Trump has jewish in laws, and Harris married a jew
Even worse than individual candidates being controlled is how party leadership on both sides is controlled. So until one or both parties are either taken over or destroyed, we're going to have things happening like republican speaker of the house Paul Ryan blocking the wall that an overwhelming amount of voters wanted or John McCancer being reelected on a promise to repeal 0bamacare and then being the deciding vote keeping us from getting affordable insurance back.
And what makes all this sadder is that the majority of the country will still be stuck on the "picking the lesser evil" and "playing the political game" mentality. It's either "BuT soCiaLism" and our "GrEateSt AlLy" from the right or leftists screeching on about "faScisM" and "UkRaIne." Two sides of this same coin. Uniparty. One side promotes abortion while the other side remains silent so as to not lose votes, thus making that side complicit through cowardice. One side condoned the jab while the other (shocker) also condoned the jab, making both guilty of the countless that died because of it. They both support sexual degeneracy, just go over to TheDonald and see how they support Scott Presler and silence anyone who points out one shouldn't associate with degenerates. They both go on about foreign affairs (again either Ukraine or our greatest ally) instead of putting it in stone that our country will come first before anything else, and then proceed to silence anyone that points this issue out (looking at posts like this one for example: https://unscored.arete.network/c/TheDonald/p/1995LqvS4p/).
This has already been said before by many users but votes won't get us out of this situation when you consider that it isn't just the state of the government but also how immoral the country in general has become. We can go on about the uniparty working against our interests, but we must remember that half of the country actually believes in furthering degeneracy and the globohomo agenda. Have we really won when we had to appease the baby-killers, the sexual degenerates, and literally everyone else that is godless under the sun just to get elected? Consider also, as you noted, that all that effort and moral compromises would have been done just for everyone else in power (along with half of the brain-dead populace) making it a thing to sabotage any attempt to get things fixed.
Edit: Lol, this whole topic reminded me of this thread in c/christianity: https://communities.win/c/Christianity/p/199OB3TlKt/50-of-christians-dont-vote-if-we/c/4ZFBMwkFuHI.
One point was whether the 50% of christians that don't vote are lukewarm and cowardly for not voting for a candidate that they don't 100% agree with. But consider this: say someone like Trump doubled down on his stances and completely condemned abortion (instead of dismissing it as a state issue) and made it his thing to return to the nation to its biblically moral roots. He for sure would have gotten more, if not all, christians to vote for him. But he didn't, because he knew doing so would have lost him the votes of everyone else in the country (again bringing up that the real issue at hand is not a question of voting but rather our immoral and subverted country). Let me ask, who is really the lukewarm one here, the person that remains unwavering in his convictions and morals, or the person that will compromise his morals so as to get ahead in the political game? There's a reason a born-again christian, or even simply a moral person, can't get ahead in the political game without making moral compromises. The political game has always been rigged in favor of the morally corrupt; plus, there are other ways to make change in the world that don't revolve on one sacrificing his morals and appeasing the godless.
So... Shabbos Goys?
Got to play the game until you can make the winning move.
The game is rigged. The winning move is to stop playing it and forcing the truth to the surface. So unless Trump does a 180 after he gets elected he won't be a savior.
I totally understand if you don't want to endorse Trump, but you should use him as a temporary stop gap so that in 4 years time you'll be in a position to elect someone better. Otherwise Kamala gon dump migrants in swing states and your chances will be much lower, possibly zero.
I'm just saying that you shouldn't put Trump on a pedestal. Do not think of him as some sort of savior. A cult of personality almost always ends very badly. Even if it is just because people think they don't have to take responsibility.
The self-loathing Trump-deranged Michael Moore put it best: Trump is like a Molotov being thrown at the system. That's why people love him. That's where the cult of personality comes from. He has no filter.
We'll see soon enough. His election is pretty much guaranteed now that Kamala showed everyone that she's even a complete buffoon. In comparison Dementia Biden looks like a genius.
That didn't work in 2016. What makes you think it would in 2024?
Trump only has 4 years of presidency left in him I reckon.
"Just stay home, you can't win," says the enemy.
That's not what I said.
It is, but you may not have realized it.
No. I'm going to give you an example. El Salvador. Nayib Bukele stopped playing the game and fixed the cartel problem. If he had played by the rules the cartel problem would still persist.
The winning move is to develop a parallel society. The empire is dead.
Hasn’t been true in 250 years.
You're very retarded and you should feel bad about it.
Being enslaved to our useless at best, irredeemably corrupt at worst, political system, is the only option. Absolutely nothing else should ever be considered, right?
voting is not slavery. you can participate in the electoral process without giving up any of your rights. you can do everything that you've planned to do while still taking the one hour takes to vote.
quit being so melodramatic.
You still have the two economists meeting at the polling place, saying "I won't tell if you won't."
You didn't watch the linked video, did you?
Nope
And there it is.
You won't even look at how mad he made our enemies.
Fuck you.
The third option is voting for Harris so we get Hitler 2028.
"Don't vote guys! Just do nothing instead!"
"We should vote for Harris because accelerationism!"
I swear all of these accelerationists and TDS posters have to be either feds, or retarded enough to not realize they're being used by feds. They should be treated the same as any other brigaders.
Lol because we don't throat orange Jesus you call us feds. I am fed up with the pandering. It's time for men to stand up for themselves and their local community.
The dollar is done. The empire is eating up the nation. The nation (people) will need to chart a new course but this game of arguing back and forth while fundamentally being replaced and financially gutted is tiresome.
I don't remember starting any argument with you. If you want to go found a new nation go ahead, but like I said in another comment, mocking people for voting is counterproductive.
Not once did i say don't vote. I'm saying relying on a political solution for an existential problem is stupid
If you have suggestions for solutions then go ahead and offer them. People can still vote while also enacting other solutions. But it's counterproductive to try to mock people for voting, and it suggests that you actually believe it would be better to have Harris elected than Trump. Would you prefer seeing Harris elected?
Actually I've changed my opinion on this. I used to think nonvoting was stupid because it just allows your opponent to win. But if enough people don't vote, then in 4 years time — which is relatively short in the grand scale of things — the losing party will remember they lost the previous election due to nonvotes and be motivated to change their policies. I believe Jimmy Dore is doing this but not 100% sure.
That said, the Democrats would wreck America so inconceivably beyond repair if given another 4 years. As Musk says, it would be "the last election" because they'll just start dumping migrants into the battleground states and you'll never win those states ever again. So this election is special and I would say a vote for Trump is mandatory even if you hate him, if only to save America so that in 4 years time you'll at least have another shot. If you don't vote Trump, you might not have another shot in future.
Nonvoting is exactly stupid. The Sunnis in Iraq intentionally boycotted the first election to claim it was illegitimate and they spent 8 years in a full throated insurgency because they had intentionally removed all of their political options off the table. The loosing party was criminalized, and was replaced by Al-Qaeda in Iraq. That didn't help the Sunnis because AQI had no problem killing them just as much as they killed the government.
After the Sunni Great Awakening Movement efforts to get the Sunnis back into a political process, they won elections as a minority and rebuffed a bunch of dumb shit from the now fully pro-Iranian government.
Another election was held after several years of peace, but this time Fallujah and a lot of the Sunnis were upset that they gained seats, but lost a majority. There was definitely bullshit done by the government, possibly fraud, to guarantee that loss. But instead of repeated each mistake again. This time they worked with ISIS and got slaughtered again by the same people again because AQI actually formed ISIS.
Now they are back in the government and voting, but seem to have figured out that refusing to vote, and then shooting at people, isn't really an optimal strategy, especially when the people who are going to "help" you fight the government intend to kill you first.
It is correct that you should not be voting against certain people, but only voting for the things you want so you don't keep putting idiots (like the Tories in UK) into power. Refusing to vote at all is retarded and dangerous.
Iraq lol
Nah. We lost when the central bank and federal government was allowed to take the leading role in life over a century ago. It's just been a long slide until now.
Ok let's say it's only a small detail whether 🐪a or Trump wins. But the details matter! As the saying goes, the devil is in the details.
So, the carbon they want to eliminate is you?
Anybody rolling their eyes about the idea of voting right now is either an enemy or such a complete retard it's a miracle that we can even communicate in the same language. Either way they need to shut the fuck up and go fuck themselves.
"HELLO FELLOW DISSIDENTS, I TOO THINK THE POLITICAL PROCESS IS NOT WORKING FOR US. THE ONLY CHOICE IS TO MAKE SURE WE POLITICALLY DE-LEGITIMIZE OURSELVES! ACCLERATION IS THE ONLY VICTORY! DEMORALIZATION IS FREEDOM!"
They watched their enemies enact an 80 year plan for dominance and start bawling and shrieking because our guys don't snap the Infinity Gauntlet and instantly reverse it.
They want to just win, which is why a lot of them are socialists. The socialist revolutionary promises, massive, immediate, change with all your enemies dead within a year.
It rarely ever works out for the revolutionaries that help them rise to power. The real political fight is our own long march through the institutions, forming our own institutions, having anti-parallel institutions and political systems, and funding our own institutions.
That is a multi-generational task.
But that's why I keep harping on the Fabians. This is exactly what they told themselves in the late 1800's when they finally realized that the Paris Commune failed for a reason.
Big boy mad. Nothing changes until we wrest back control of our money.
Vote anyway. if you seriously don't like either candidate, write in your preferred candidate.
yes it's rigged, yes it's fake and gay, but it is also free and enables the narrow possibility that we can in fact get out of this peacefully. it also only takes an hour of your time.
if you don't vote, nothing you say here holds water.
There are exactly two choices this year. You're either choosing manifest destiny in the stars and robot butlers or you're choosing black-worshipping race communists and the end of Western civilization as a concept. Anything that isn't a vote for Donald J. Trump is choosing the second option and it doesn't matter what kind of 100 IQ genius way you try to justify it to yourself.
If you vote for Trump you are choosing war with Iran, Replacement Immigration but from India instead of Guatemala, Operation Warp Speed, Trump Bux, amnesty, gun control, and unlimited money for Ukraine.
Anyways, he's already gotten two votes from me. I never vote for the same candidate a third time.
Go fuck yourself.
Same. I voted for him before. He didn't represent me
J6ers vs platinum plan. Trump worships blacks too. Whites are so demoralized they root for blacks to take over as long as they wear red hats.
It's rigged, but not rigged, go vote REEEEEE "
in all likelihood it's rigged. there's a sliver of a chance that it's not rigged, and that chanc is worth holding on to when it's free and costs you nothing.
even if it is rigged, the only way the general populace will understand that is if the steal is so blatant that it can't be ignored. more blatant than 2020. for that to happen, people need to vote and that includes you.
It's always rigged, the issue is by how much. To big to rig is the point.
And if anything, it is currently following the past trajectory of being people screwed with rigged elections in US history (at least for national level offices): You screw them out of the presidency once, you try and force through the things you want but there is too much of the stink of illegitimacy to actually enforce your will across the fruited plains as states start giving the Feds the cold shoulder, and then next time around the guy you screwed comes back and clocks you in the jaw.
Just to go with two prominent examples: John Quincy Adams got a close election and conspired with Henry Clay to take the election even though most of the public will (by plurality of the vote) was with Andrew Jackson. And in what is perhaps one of the few disgraces against the otherwise fantastic Clay name (especially Cassius and Henry), Henry helped to make sure Quincy won in exchange for a cabinet position. But Adams never really got to do a whole lot because he was hamstrung by an enraged Jackson and his supporters, who then won the midterm and then Jackson came in screaming mad and won a landslide in the next election.
And for a more modern example, it is well known that Kennedy stole the 1960 election from Nixon (yet another reason I dont understand the "Kennedy was so anti-establishment, that is why the CIA killed him" types). True, he probably had the popularity he could have won again in 1964, but LBJ did a lot of the same things Kennedy was talking about doing and ruined the image of the Dems on the domestic front come 1968. And the entire time, Nixon had been biding his time, and was able to win in a landslide. Why? Well, the Democrats thought they had the entire culture on lock and planned on running even further to the Left and even openly embracing more socialist policies. Only for the "We thought we had ruined you" Nixon to disabuse them of the idea that Americans are actually on board with such ideas.
So we may well be getting "Little of A, Little of B" in the case of Trump having his second go around.
And he came in so screaming mad he abolished The Bank of The United States, purged the judiciary, and started a secession crisis.
If there was anyone who was an unmitigated hard-ass that had the political will to use political power as he saw fit without making an excuse, it was Andrew Jackson. I don't like him overall, especially for the Trail of Tears bullshit and exiling the fully Christianized Cherokee, but it was popular for the time, and banning that fucking bank protected the US for decades before the Federal Reserve was invented.
Exactly, fucking dead on.
I'm not saying Nixon wasn't Establishment, but he was more like our version of a Neo-Con Conservative. It was like Ted Cruz becoming president. Whereas Goldwater was very much our Donald Trump for that generation. Kennedy was in deep with the mob, and the mob had been in deep with the Feds since the 1920s, and during WW2 they had basically become protected status. Kennedy used the CIA to overthrow the South Vietnamese government, and expanded Special Operations in all corners of the globe. His real complaints about the CIA was that they were being utter fucking retards. The Pay Of Pigs invasion could have blown up his entire presidency, and it was entirely their fault. The military was pissed that they couldn't support the operation and start a war with Cuba but the point was that there wasn't supposed to be a war if the CIA had done their jobs. Operation Northwoods was kanked by Kennedy because bombing a hundred American cities is fuck-tarded, and he basically said so... and again: that was the military.
The Kennedy Administration had more problems with the DOD than the CIA, by a long shot.
This is why "90's Democrat" is a misnomer. Their policies in the 1970's were exactly the same policies today. Woke uber-feminism, racialism, and socialism. Nixon fucking destroyed them, but then they destroyed Nixon, and went right the fuck back to what they were doing. Then they got their asshole prolapsed even fucking harder by Ronald Reagan. Then after Reagan, they realized they had to calm their shit down, and for about 10 years they tried to replicate a kind of blue-dog-family-values-liberalism as a mask to the socialistic shit they were on about. Barrack Obama's win signaled to them that they were ready to return to their old ways, and the 70's revolutionaries were now fully entrenched in every position of power in the party.
Meanwhile, the Republican Party has been fighting between the Goldwater Conservative Republicans and the Rockefeller Liberal Republicans for 70 damn years. Trump won't be able to put the Rockefeller's down this year or the next, but I'm hoping that after the next midterm, and by 2028, these bastards are down for the count this century. Especially with how popular Trump is among 18 year olds.
Frankly, I think Trump losing the election was really a blessing in disguise. The enemy played their hand, over-played themselves, and now a whole generation of people have seen that Trump was a good choice. They inadvertently purged themselves of his ranks, something he never would have done himself.
Haha. No. It's far too late for that. Voting is only good for forcing even the last person to look at the undeniable truth but it's never going to fix the situation. They're so deeply embedded in every part of society that you can't get rid of them without it getting ugly.
so what are you doing about it then? any serious rebellion requires the support of a large population of the United States, and that support just isn't there. it won't be there until the majority of the populist understands that our government has been subverted. for that to happen, a blatant steel needs to happen and keep happening until people get it through their thick heads.
if you don't vote, there won't be a steal in the first place for people to notice.
or is dooming on a random 100 person internet forum all you are doing?
He's a conpro fag. None of them are coming here to engage in good faith discussion. They all serve the same fed agenda, slide, disrupt and destroy the image of right wing websites.
Making people aware whenever and wherever I can.
I'm not dooming. I'm just pointing out that putting any politician on a pedestal is a very bad idea. Trump isn't the next messiah who will save America. If he gets elected it will only be a step into the right direction as long as people take responsibility. If they continue blindly following nothing will change.
I'm not saying you shouldn't vote for Trump. I'm saying you shouldn't trust him. I'm saying there is a very real possibility that he has become just another establishment stooge.
Yes. His point is to radicalize people into his position so that they can kill off the populist right and literally be what the Left accuses the rest of us of being, because he's too stupid to understand that he is controlled opposition.
Do you, by any chance, regularly purchase lotto tickets?
lotto tickets are more expensive than voting
If there is literally no local or state issue on the ballot to vote about (which there almost never is), then spoil your ballot. If you get a paper ballot, just draw lines across the whole thing or check off every bubble.
I can pray for a sudden lottery winning... Won't hinder, might help. There's no demerit to tossing in a quick literal Hail Mary before your risky football maneuver. Likewise, it isn't physically damaging you to go and vote. You believe there's countermeasures against it counting? That implies that it does count, at least enough for them to care to counter it. You believe that there's a high chance they don't count them at all, that it'd be a miracle if they considered your vote? Well, billions of people pray for miracles, they take some time out of their day to attempt to will a miracle into being.
Don't stop doing your hoarding or prepping or homesteading or passport shopping or doomsaying for ad revenue, or whatever you're already doing. The act of telling people to vote isn't asking to not do that. Go buy your cornseed and chicken coop and make a bugout shelter farm innawoods. Have fun with it! But that doesn't preclude you from voting.