The only way that's ever happened in history is to turn a free-to-view service funded by advertising into a subscription one with advertising as a supplementary funding mechanism. It's what satellite and cable television did and I suspect YouTube is slowing moving toward by making the free service so frustrating that their viewers will beg to pay.
Same though I'll happily use it if all the adblock and sponsorblock enhancements make it a normal viewing experience. When those things stop working for good I'm out.
Good to know. I use YouTube through the brave browser app and it works pretty damn well. Even lets me play stuff with my phone screen off (a setting in Brave, not YouTube of course)
Every company has three books. The actual numbers, the ones shown to investors, and the public numbers. This is why money laundering can be done so easily
When YouTube had all the keys and Advertisers had to play by their game was when they had all the advantages. Then Mama Susan played the short game giving advertisers more control and fucked up everything. Now they've been chasing revenue uphill instead of having the advertisers coming to them to use their platform under their control.
Become dominant within the domain by offering an excellent product: host video forever, fast bandwidth, algorithmic boosting and suggestions, automatic captions, revenue sharing.
Gain monopoly levels of market share. Competition runs out of money.
Turn the screws. Take away what people were used to getting for free and charge for it.
Each different way to make things worse is a potential revenue stream.
Did I say new business model? This doesn't look too different from Standard Oil style predatory pricing to force competitors into bankruptcy.
What youtube doesn't understand is that we don't need them - they need us. If I am forced to sit through ONE single ad, I will simply stop using Youtube until the ads go away.
If I am forced to sit through ONE single ad, I will simply stop using Youtube until the ads go away.
Nice thing is, too, they've driven most of the people I even care about to at the very least also post their content elsewhere. The only reason I'm still using YouTube is because it's so easy, and supported by apps and stuff. If they make it no longer easy, I can find most of the content elsewhere, because YT is so shit everyone who isn't a mindless shill has branched out, fearing the banhammer.
What you don't understand is that Google wants this ads vs adblock game.
The escalation is basically a price war. Youtube makes ads unblockable, they get more revenue while increasing costs for competitors like Rumble with the idea that Rumble goes out of business before Youtube.
The end result they foresee to this tit-for-tat is locked down 'trusted' browsers, everybody having to sign in, and no competitors. Then they have total control over what everybody sees and thinks.
While I'm sure there are enough normies watching to float their model of selling ad spaces on videos that are ads in and of themselves, going after the x% who use adblockers is stupid. I for one will simply not use the website. I already mostly dont. It is always a selection among alternatives when I do. Lots of the time, I COULD just read a book and grow that much more as a person, but my weak will easy access on youtube can hold me back. Every time I do read a book, though, and I'm usually reading, a whole subgenre of youtube videos drop like flies in winter.
For those who don't have an effective way to adblock, they now serve five unskippable advertisements instead of two maybe skippable ones every few minutes.
I am convinced that they're making the free experience so annoying you'll beg to pay. Eventually they give up the pretense and paywall all of it with advertising.
Or if you don't want to touch an NVIDIA card (with a 10 foot pole) you can use something like a coral ai usb stick. Things like Frigate NVR use it for smart detection in video streams.
The main issue is streamlining an open source solution, devs will target the easiest solution that works for most users.
After that is done targeting AMD and more bespoke solutions could be done. I'm sure Linux devs will work on the AMD solution as they have the experience with their architecture.
None of it is worth watching ads for imo. If someone puts effort into a high-production video they probably have a Patreon or merch site if you want to support them meaningfully. I've lost track of how many Youtubers I watch have uploaded videos explaining how they've been demonetized or shadowbanned into oblivion.
They always try and fuck with the advertising like this. The issue is it always messes with the video feeds so bad that people stop watching. YouTube reverts their changes after noticing the hit. I’d be surprised this lingers for too long.
I experienced this. Every indication is that the video is playing, but it's actually an ad, and the controls don't work. Fortunately using private browsing mode still blocks it for some reason.
Fortunately using private browsing mode still blocks it for some reason.
A/B Testing. Your account got selected for the adblock test. Your anonymous browser window did not. Close any video that loads ads and do something else for a while so they get the "user stopped watching the video" feedback.
I have it too. Apparently they're only rolled out to only some users so logging out (private browsing) opts you out for now. I got a 3 minute ad on a 4 minute video. Absolutely insane and delusional if you think I'm going to watch that
I think I've seen the same thing. I think it's caused by the adblocker trying to block the ad. That's why private browsing (which disables adblockers) blocks it.
I've seen some weird stuff regarding ads in the past few months. Like videos that complete the moment they start.
While the YouTube video downloaders are finding ways round it, it is a game of whack-a-mole. I wonder if another round of nudging people toward Premium (with ads) is about to begin?
The exchange was simple, they harvested my data to create a nefariously detailed file on me (and similar people), I took a tiny amount of bandwidth. If they want more, they get nothing.
Yes, but those who would own the copyrights to the content they upload would have signed away all those rights for the privilege of uploading in YouTube
Why is there still no true YouTube replacement website yet? Bring back the days when people made content because they were passionate about it and not because they can make a shit ton of cash making clickbait prank videos for brain rot libtard spawn.
Then I will just download the video and if there are ads in it I skip them. Even for cable tv there are blueray harddrive recorders so that you can record something and at least fast forward 8mins of ads. Shouldnt be too hard to get something similar on pc.
They really are obsessed with making the viewing experience as annoying and disruptive as possible
CIA-ESG moneys running out?
More like they've reached the size of their market, but need to expand or show they are expanding to get investors or big advertising.
The only way that's ever happened in history is to turn a free-to-view service funded by advertising into a subscription one with advertising as a supplementary funding mechanism. It's what satellite and cable television did and I suspect YouTube is slowing moving toward by making the free service so frustrating that their viewers will beg to pay.
Same though I'll happily use it if all the adblock and sponsorblock enhancements make it a normal viewing experience. When those things stop working for good I'm out.
Since they deliberately hid basic bitch features like background play on their app behind the pay wall, I tend to agree.
Newpipe. Use Newpipe on Android.
Good to know. I use YouTube through the brave browser app and it works pretty damn well. Even lets me play stuff with my phone screen off (a setting in Brave, not YouTube of course)
Thanks for the tip. I use brave on desktop but never thought about using it for android.
I'm confused what hasn't happened in history.
I still want someone to explain to me why a company the size and magnitude of Google requires investors.
Every company has three books. The actual numbers, the ones shown to investors, and the public numbers. This is why money laundering can be done so easily
It delights (them) to have someone else to pay for making their goy slop propagandas
When YouTube had all the keys and Advertisers had to play by their game was when they had all the advantages. Then Mama Susan played the short game giving advertisers more control and fucked up everything. Now they've been chasing revenue uphill instead of having the advertisers coming to them to use their platform under their control.
It's the new business model.
Did I say new business model? This doesn't look too different from Standard Oil style predatory pricing to force competitors into bankruptcy.
What youtube doesn't understand is that we don't need them - they need us. If I am forced to sit through ONE single ad, I will simply stop using Youtube until the ads go away.
Nice thing is, too, they've driven most of the people I even care about to at the very least also post their content elsewhere. The only reason I'm still using YouTube is because it's so easy, and supported by apps and stuff. If they make it no longer easy, I can find most of the content elsewhere, because YT is so shit everyone who isn't a mindless shill has branched out, fearing the banhammer.
What you don't understand is that Google wants this ads vs adblock game.
The escalation is basically a price war. Youtube makes ads unblockable, they get more revenue while increasing costs for competitors like Rumble with the idea that Rumble goes out of business before Youtube.
The end result they foresee to this tit-for-tat is locked down 'trusted' browsers, everybody having to sign in, and no competitors. Then they have total control over what everybody sees and thinks.
And it will be at that point where violence becomes the only option.
if only that chick had been a better shot
Ms. Aghdam was taken from us too soon.
While I'm sure there are enough normies watching to float their model of selling ad spaces on videos that are ads in and of themselves, going after the x% who use adblockers is stupid. I for one will simply not use the website. I already mostly dont. It is always a selection among alternatives when I do. Lots of the time, I COULD just read a book and grow that much more as a person, but my weak will easy access on youtube can hold me back. Every time I do read a book, though, and I'm usually reading, a whole subgenre of youtube videos drop like flies in winter.
For those who don't have an effective way to adblock, they now serve five unskippable advertisements instead of two maybe skippable ones every few minutes.
I am convinced that they're making the free experience so annoying you'll beg to pay. Eventually they give up the pretense and paywall all of it with advertising.
Then eventually slip in ads on the paid version. Because why not.
be a pirate. block ads. directly fund the creators ypou like. simple as.
Google, gets popular by using unobtrusive ads in search results.
A few DEI hires later "Let's put obtrusive adverts in all our products!".
It was a good run, if it can go two more years it will match Microsoft on the length of time until it lost its legs.
Kids today don't remember the pop up era of internet advertising. Dark days ahead...
We already back to that. Half the websites have a lightbox overlay the covers the page
Google Vignettes are the new pop up windows.
It's wall street. They like monopolies and they hate competition. The DEI types are just useful that end, but they're not the actual problem.
The money people are out of ideas and this is all they know how to do.
AI ad detection and a nice big buffer will fix it. If they're going to use AI against us we can do the same.
Even ancient NVIDIA cards with CUDA cores should be more than enough.
Or if you don't want to touch an NVIDIA card (with a 10 foot pole) you can use something like a coral ai usb stick. Things like Frigate NVR use it for smart detection in video streams.
The main issue is streamlining an open source solution, devs will target the easiest solution that works for most users.
After that is done targeting AMD and more bespoke solutions could be done. I'm sure Linux devs will work on the AMD solution as they have the experience with their architecture.
The blockers will always find a way.
Still, I'll ditch Youtube in a second. Very little of the content is worth watching ads for.
None of it is worth watching ads for imo. If someone puts effort into a high-production video they probably have a Patreon or merch site if you want to support them meaningfully. I've lost track of how many Youtubers I watch have uploaded videos explaining how they've been demonetized or shadowbanned into oblivion.
They always try and fuck with the advertising like this. The issue is it always messes with the video feeds so bad that people stop watching. YouTube reverts their changes after noticing the hit. I’d be surprised this lingers for too long.
As long as they demonetize people for wrong thinking or liking video game bikini girls... fuck them and their ads.
I experienced this. Every indication is that the video is playing, but it's actually an ad, and the controls don't work. Fortunately using private browsing mode still blocks it for some reason.
A/B Testing. Your account got selected for the adblock test. Your anonymous browser window did not. Close any video that loads ads and do something else for a while so they get the "user stopped watching the video" feedback.
I have it too. Apparently they're only rolled out to only some users so logging out (private browsing) opts you out for now. I got a 3 minute ad on a 4 minute video. Absolutely insane and delusional if you think I'm going to watch that
I think I've seen the same thing. I think it's caused by the adblocker trying to block the ad. That's why private browsing (which disables adblockers) blocks it.
I've seen some weird stuff regarding ads in the past few months. Like videos that complete the moment they start.
It gets worse.
Recently, YouTube started tests which now mandates signing in to view videos. Verifiable phone numbers are required for accounts.
https://github.com/imputnet/cobalt/issues/551
While the YouTube video downloaders are finding ways round it, it is a game of whack-a-mole. I wonder if another round of nudging people toward Premium (with ads) is about to begin?
This probably explains why many mirror instances like Invidious and Piped haven't been able to load videos recently.
I will DELETE my youtube account before I submit to their fucking ads.
No way in hell am I watching ads for goys.
The exchange was simple, they harvested my data to create a nefariously detailed file on me (and similar people), I took a tiny amount of bandwidth. If they want more, they get nothing.
surely this violates copyright in some way
Yes, but those who would own the copyrights to the content they upload would have signed away all those rights for the privilege of uploading in YouTube
nah that doesn't sound right.
Self Hosted is the only way to go.
Why is there still no true YouTube replacement website yet? Bring back the days when people made content because they were passionate about it and not because they can make a shit ton of cash making clickbait prank videos for brain rot libtard spawn.
Because hosting unlimited quantities of video is expensive. It's not a question of getting rich, it's about not bankrupting yourself.
We need to return to monke. An awful lot of content on Youtube could be presented in a written format instead, as it used to be. Easily self-hosted.
Because nobody wants to associate with the kind of people who leave YouTube.
Then I will just download the video and if there are ads in it I skip them. Even for cable tv there are blueray harddrive recorders so that you can record something and at least fast forward 8mins of ads. Shouldnt be too hard to get something similar on pc.
It's a good thing client-side ML is advancing so quickly. Time to innovate.
if it needs to be displayed it needs to be documented in an API. if it's in an API it can be detected. if is detected it can be blocked.
also:
https://docs.invidious.io/instances/