I just can't see why Putin would have him killed. It makes no sense to me, he was already in prison, why make him a martyr now, before elections? As an idea elections in Russia are this month.
We also know Tucker interviewed him shortly before Navalny died and we know that Navalny chose to be in Russia. Maybe CIA wanted to not allow people to process the interview and move to martyr Navalny. There are some spicy stuff in the interview like the US blowing Northstream pipeline and Nazis in Ukraine so who knows.
Every media and politician is 100% sure Putin killed him without even considering any alternative.
My take is that the CIA killed Navalny in order to start unrest before elections or to make sure normies keep funding Ukraine.
I think its more likely that he actually did die of natural causes...probably tied to a certain vaccine that seems to have a penchant for causing clots....
That said, the white house having those statements ready to go and so immediately willing to use his corpse to demand for more blood money for their pet war is definitely suspect.
Damn it feels good to be a pureblood
I've never regretted not taking that shit.
That's a contradictory statement, but I suppose that's the point.
Also, I forget where I read it, but apparently Navalny was picked up for trying to coordinate a revolution with MI5/6.
Fauci did it with a syringe in the wuhan lab.
Russia had its own vaccine, they didn't use whatever vaccine you think caused bloodclots (AstraZeneca?)
When was he put in prison? He apparently spent some time in the west being groomed as a CIA asset, so if it was recent, perhaps he got an mRNA jab while he was here.
An mRNA shot that you maybe perhaps took is not exactly the most likely cause of death when you're at a Russian penal colony.
Also, isn't mRNA mostly linked to heart issues and not blood clots, which was what AstraZeneca got pulled for?
The heart issues were caused by the blood clots:
Shot: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1851071/
Chaser: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38034388/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37893186/
That wasn't an answer to my question, but thanks anyway I guess.
Yes, they are linked to blood clots as well. In fact, the mRNA shots are linked to over 700 safety signals according to VAERS data.
Well, I didn't know the answer to your question, which is why I didn't answer it.
I assume the vaccines must be 'linked' to just about anything, but the likelihood of blood clots is infinitesimal cf. to heart issues.
the normie narrative is already "putin is a bad guy" but they haven't done the full saddam treatement of "he has rapin' rooms!"
I don't see how "he killed {russian name I'll forget before the end of the sentence}" changes that narrative
Actually, they even recycled the old lie about Khadhafi, that he gave out Viagra to soldiers so they could rape more effectively.
I was about to say "If only our government was that efficient", but they're quite efficient enough at screwing us already.
Hey, it's Brimshae! Good to see you again my man.
Thanks, you too! And I'm always around, except when I'm not.
I can't wait for the news cycle of "Putin is personally removing babies from incubators while laughing maniacally...and this is a bad thing". Gotta prime the propaganda for the retards who've been convinced killing babies is fine.
If that were the case, wouldn't Russia have cause to be completely transparent about the cause of death/circumstances around it?
Counterpoint: would Putin be so open about that level of vulnerability to the CIA
Fair point. My thinking is that exposing a foreign conspiracy to disrupt Russian affairs would serve them better than trying to save face for the death of a political rival.
I forget where I read it, but apparently Navalny was picked up for trying to coordinate a revolution with MI5/6.
No way to know, though if the CIA can kill someone in a Russian prison, Russia has yuge problems.
There are limits to 'cui bono'. Just because his death benefits the CIA, doesn't mean they did it. Hitler didn't burn the Reichstag and Stalin didn't kill Kirov.
But if they did it would be very bad for Putin so he would keep quiet about it rather then point the finger at the CIA.
The CIA killing its own agents would be more damaging than this to Putin. The problem for Putin is that the corrupt Western media would likely cover it up, so it would only reach Russians.
Is it more damaging to Putin that the CIA can kill someone in a Russian prison, or to the CIA's prospects in Russia if they knew that they'll kill their own men for a quick PR bump?
If I were Putin, I'd reveal it - assuming the CIA story is true.
In the Tucker interview he said something to the extent of Russian propaganda is no match for American propaganda. Him saying CIA did it would be turned in to a meme in 2 mins. Him not saying anything, regardless if the CIA was involved or not may prove to be better PR in the long run.
On the surface it makes sense as a motive, especially as support for their Slava Ukraine cheerleading is waning hard. There's a slight potential that Russia would do it themselves as a double bluff that foreign interests did it to make them look bad.
I haven't seen anything that gives anywhere enough info to make a judgement other than it's almost certain someone's three letter agencies got their hands wet.
Support from the populace is a 'nice to have' for the regime, not a sine qua non.
They're going to continue doing what they want to do, regardless of whether they can con the population into supporting them.
That is why I think Congress will pass the $60 billion.
I think we simply don't know enough. Putin/Russia could have killed him. They don't seem to give a shit. CIA certainly could have as well, and does seem to benefit more. Could have really been natural causes. Could have been vaccine. Could have been some combination of the lot, where prisoners beat him up of their own volition or something, or some other accident occurred.
From seeing Navalny's wife, I think he took the only way out to escape from her and her see/eye/ay pronoun handlers.
The country with the most to gain by Navalny's death was Ukraine. Ukraine was also the only country besides Russia that came out and said Navalny's death was from natural causes. Odd, imo.
Navalny was partially controlled opposition, not as much as Zhirinovsky but still up there, so it was either foreign triple-letter agencies or his usefulness ran out and he got surprise extra-large polonium tea
That's not what the Russians themselves believe. They seem to be (via Telegrath I follow about the Ukraine war) the belief that MI6 did the actual wet works. Yes, it was caused by the CIA directive, but they're on about the british being the actual boots on the ground.
Due to five eyes and the USA being the only service site for British nuclear weapons, it's a distinction without a difference.
What do they say the motive was?
I don't know and honestly, I don't care.
You don't actually have to care about every minor world event, and "my" government that hates me is going to fund these wars whether I want it to or not.
More interesting way to spend brain cells is figuring out how not to be a paypig for a government that hates me.
Is just a thought exercise. I don't think it is important in the long run.
Unlikely tbh. First he was held at IK-3 prison, which is bumfuck nowhere.To even get there is a task, getting there unnoticed even more. If the CIA has the capabilities to do so, would they risk showing that for Navalny?
I also doubt that him dying now is really changing something in regards to the upcoming elections. Putin has too much control to steal the election. Unrests will be dealt with just like anti-war protests at the start of the war.
I don't see something to gain from a Western perspective.
From Putin's perspective there's also not much to do. We know that Navalny had connection to the world outside the prison, like with video calls during court appearances. I heard, but don't know & didn't check, that he was still pushing anti-Putin narratives during those. That might be a reason for Putin to kill him, but the timing seems off. Wait until after the elections and it's easier.
I personally go with the good old explanation: A man was sent to basically a death camp where he was not supposed to return from. He was often denied medical aid in recent years. Putin doesn't think he's important to keep him alive. So I say, natural death. It was coming rather sooner than later to someone like him.
I assume you mean the Russian election and not the American election, because otherwise you'd be a complete nutjob. But I think OP was talking about the American election.
Likely true, but assuming that Putin didn't kill him, he wouldn't want a guy not very popular in Russia but magnified in the West to die in custody. That is reason enough to keep him alive even if you don't think he's important.
i really don't care about another dead shit leftist
You are not the first to suggest that, my wife also thinks he is not dead.
Russian Ultranationalist dies in prison as an enemy of the Russian State. I wouldn't be shocked if Putin ordered him killed but at the same time both natural causes and that the US/UK/Israel killed him.
Why kill someone so totally irrelevant other than propaganda clout ?
The only real opposition to current Russian government is the Communist Party...
Because he can't help himself. He's an aloof and detached king, and doesn't like anyone opposing him. He has no fucking idea what optics would appeal to americans and he doesn't care. He's had people thrown out of buildings, poisoned with nerve agent in the UK, poisoned with polonium, blown out of the sky - these are all widely recognized as his doing. Why suddenly have discretion now?
He was in the KGB and has probably killed people with his own hands. He rose to power on the back of what was probably a false flag terrorist attack.
Someone once pointed out that all these 'killings' have some sort of connection to the UK. Which is interesting. I certainly wouldn't put it past a country that hands over 11- year-old girls to Muslim rape gangs, ignores it for decades and protects rapists, to kill people in order to try to pin it on Russia. (That said, they did not have much of a motive before 2022, as London was a hub for Russian oligarchs and corruption.)
As far as the killings are concerned, it seems that none of them have any proven connection with Putin beyond the convenient assumptions of brainwashed Western audiences. The recent biography of Putin by Short makes short shrift of such audiences - including the 'probably false flag terrorist attack' that you mention. Russia is a corrupt country full of mafia types, and there are a lot of people who want to be rid of certain people, far beyond the Western inclination to blame everything that they don't like on the Bad Russian Man.
If the UK had launched into a war with russia after any of these killings, you might have something. But they didn't. They didn't really capitalize on any of them. It's just not plausible to kill so many people over decades to "pin it on russia" without ever doing the pinning. At this point they'd just be working for russia.
Also the sheer number of conspirators you'd need for polonium, novochok, bombs, gunmen, heart attack laser satellites or whatever you think killed Navalny, this would need official sanction by higher ups.
Though one corollary of that is to effectively run such a place, you need to be seen by those types as the meanest bastard in the room. Even where he doesn't have someone killed he probably wants people imagining he did have that person killed, but with plausible deniability for everyone else.
That is my point, there is nothing that screams suicide by multiple knife stabbing in the back. The idea he would kill him out of boredom before elections is ridiculous.
Maybe he just died of natural causes.
That 'bloody dictatorship' isn't trying to imprison the president's main rival, which Mr. Navalny wasn't.
And before you call me a KGB agent as people in line with Western foreign policy tend to do, please consult this search result: https://kotakuinaction2.win/search?params=Navalny&community=KotakuInAction2
They're the same picture.
Yup, and apparently, he went on a hunger strike which damaged his health. On the other hand, one of his supporters said that he appeared in court the day before and he appeared to be in perfectly good health and was joking with the judges - so who really knows?
Yeah, that remains a ridiculous argument. It will never stop being necessary to point out that Western people don't have any moral standing to criticize other countries, especially ones where the president isn't trying to put away his main rival for life.
Correct, but I do miss a motive there. He was already under lock and key, no threat at all to the Russian regime to begin with. And he just happens to die during the Munich security conference. The timing certainly is suspicious. Probably he did just die of natural causes.
100% with you on this one. We have leaders trying to suppress speech, openly encourage BLM riots, put people in prison for having different opinions and lets not forget that Epstein did not kill himself.