Black voters during FDR's time were already voting Democrat.
Goldwater actually complained about the Republican party bending over backwards to try and win black voters in the South that were too few in number to make a difference, and had been staunchly Democrat since the 1930's.
There was also the matter of practical politics. The Democratic party had been receiving 70 to 90 percent of the black vote for thirty years. As Goldwater put it, Republicans should "stop trying to outbid the Democrats for the [black] vote." Instead, they should "go hunting where the ducks are." And for Republicans, the ducks were in the West, the Midwest, and the South.
Goldwater: The Man Who Made A Revolution, pg 245
If anyone was trying to intimidate anyone, it is when Japanese populations in California were interred, and then demographically replaced in their neighborhoods by American blacks, as a policy of FDR to both reward black Democrat voters and shift California blue.
Gee, you think that might explain some of the ethnic tensions between blacks and asians in the west coast?
Why were the black people voting for the political party that wanted to keep them enslaved not 100 years earlier? Was this because of outright pandering by the DNC? (who were founders of the KKK?)
The Republican party had been purged from the South. In the North, the progressives, socialists, and communists made hard appeals to black populations in the early 20th century. This is one of the reasons why WEB DuBois was a rabid communist and civil rights advocate (and note that Civil Rights as a concept is a kind of left-wing idea)
Republicans of the same era (see Teddy Roosevelt) made no explicit appeal to blacks. They simply ran a kind of default American approach. They asserted that blacks would be successful as they developed economic infrastructure, became more educated, became more literate, and embraced Anglo values and behaviors. This is true (see Booker T Washington).
Between these two figures, Washington v. DuBois, DuBois had the full throated support of the Communists and non-White-Supremacist Socialists; whereas Washington only had grassroots support, and had no significant Republican party support. His movement was a major cultural force, but was not antagonistic to Communists. As a result, institutional capture occurred as always.
Since most black Americans lived in the South, and since most black supported Republicans were purged or dead, the only people who could appeal to them were Communists and Socialists who explicitly promised to support them specifically, as blacks. Most of the Dixiecrats were still White Supremacists, so this is where there was serious tension between Racialist Progressives & Black Supporting Communists during the 30's.
White Supremacist racialism really started to become unpopular with the intellectual elites of the political Left by the 40's. This is actually when you see some of the progressive racialists who invented the IQ measurement, reverse course on IQ entirely. The Roosevelt administration is where things really start to tip because while FDR is trying to appeal to Southern-Whites, Elenor is appealing to Southern-Blacks; and both poor blacks and poor whites would benefit from being bribed by welfare measures. (For example, the $25/hr minimum wage for cotton pickers; yes, that's 1933 USD btw. Gold was $35 /oz).
So, if American blacks can't vote Republican without being physically attacked (and because there aren't any), and the Left is beginning to move away from White Racialism, and Communists explicitly seek to support them, and HSBC's are comfortable with Leftwing Intellectualism... well, there's only one direction they can go.
The internment-as-theft true narrative is not widely enough known. I never heard anyone talk about it until just years ago, even though everyone knows about the internees.
There is something to be said for high effort and more well thought out comments floating to the top. Obviously groupthink is the big concern, but even something as simple as the displaying of the number of downvotes does a lot for that.
The fact of the matter is retards are going to get swept up into groupthink no matter what, karma just greases the proverbial wheels a bit.
The small size of the community mitigates the groupthink problem to some extent. When it gets so big that you don't recognize 90% of the usernames then that's an existential crisis.
We just have the voting system, unless it's just on Scored, I don't see a score next to any usernames which is the real problem on Reddit. They treat high karma as reaching elder status in a church.
It's not even sort of true by their own narrative. The Progressives in the Wilson era had put up tons of them.
They are attempting to make everyone think that Republicans, explicitly Goldwater, put up all the statues only when the South started to move to the right.
Apparently FDR put up a bunch in the lead up to WWII in an effort to unify the country (so when the populace wouldn't resist when the started drafting young men to go fight another war in Europe.)
Vicksburg surrendered to U.S. Grant on July 4, 1863.
They didn't celebrate July 4th again until 1944, a month after the Normandy landings.
Yeah, he probably needed to make sure the South was on-board.
And then on top of that, don't forget Huey Long. A Radical-Left Populist, who was probably a kind of Proto-Fascist, and was a clear threat to Roosevelt controlling the "Solid South".
"Fascism is right wing" they say. I say: Explain Huey Long.
They don't know what fascism, right wing, or Huey Long means. They're just making the correct sounds (or typing the correct letters) that get them rewards, like a dog barking on command. Don't try to reason with them unless you have evidence that they're not an NPC despite acting like one.
When I was a kid there were plenty of guys who didn't care about history, politics, current events, etc. and just wanted to party and get high. Understandable.
But on Reddit, now they just make shit up. It's not ignorance, it's anti-truth. And they will defend everything they make up to the death. It's the endgame of postmodernism. Everyone is living in their own deluded reality.
somehow putting up statues 100 years after a war is supposed to intimidate people
It was supposed to intimidate black people during the CRM, according to them.
That is repeated so much and nobody bothers to fact check that
Black voters during FDR's time were already voting Democrat.
Goldwater actually complained about the Republican party bending over backwards to try and win black voters in the South that were too few in number to make a difference, and had been staunchly Democrat since the 1930's.
If anyone was trying to intimidate anyone, it is when Japanese populations in California were interred, and then demographically replaced in their neighborhoods by American blacks, as a policy of FDR to both reward black Democrat voters and shift California blue.
Gee, you think that might explain some of the ethnic tensions between blacks and asians in the west coast?
Why were the black people voting for the political party that wanted to keep them enslaved not 100 years earlier? Was this because of outright pandering by the DNC? (who were founders of the KKK?)
Like the Goldwater quote said: they sold out to the highest bidder.
It was called the "solid south" for a reason.
A lot of Republicans... were dead.
The Republican party had been purged from the South. In the North, the progressives, socialists, and communists made hard appeals to black populations in the early 20th century. This is one of the reasons why WEB DuBois was a rabid communist and civil rights advocate (and note that Civil Rights as a concept is a kind of left-wing idea)
Republicans of the same era (see Teddy Roosevelt) made no explicit appeal to blacks. They simply ran a kind of default American approach. They asserted that blacks would be successful as they developed economic infrastructure, became more educated, became more literate, and embraced Anglo values and behaviors. This is true (see Booker T Washington).
Between these two figures, Washington v. DuBois, DuBois had the full throated support of the Communists and non-White-Supremacist Socialists; whereas Washington only had grassroots support, and had no significant Republican party support. His movement was a major cultural force, but was not antagonistic to Communists. As a result, institutional capture occurred as always.
Since most black Americans lived in the South, and since most black supported Republicans were purged or dead, the only people who could appeal to them were Communists and Socialists who explicitly promised to support them specifically, as blacks. Most of the Dixiecrats were still White Supremacists, so this is where there was serious tension between Racialist Progressives & Black Supporting Communists during the 30's.
White Supremacist racialism really started to become unpopular with the intellectual elites of the political Left by the 40's. This is actually when you see some of the progressive racialists who invented the IQ measurement, reverse course on IQ entirely. The Roosevelt administration is where things really start to tip because while FDR is trying to appeal to Southern-Whites, Elenor is appealing to Southern-Blacks; and both poor blacks and poor whites would benefit from being bribed by welfare measures. (For example, the $25/hr minimum wage for cotton pickers; yes, that's 1933 USD btw. Gold was $35 /oz).
So, if American blacks can't vote Republican without being physically attacked (and because there aren't any), and the Left is beginning to move away from White Racialism, and Communists explicitly seek to support them, and HSBC's are comfortable with Leftwing Intellectualism... well, there's only one direction they can go.
The internment-as-theft true narrative is not widely enough known. I never heard anyone talk about it until just years ago, even though everyone knows about the internees.
This is a pretty great insight into karma dynamics
I don't understand why they ever used that system in the first place, or why we're copying it here.
There is something to be said for high effort and more well thought out comments floating to the top. Obviously groupthink is the big concern, but even something as simple as the displaying of the number of downvotes does a lot for that.
The fact of the matter is retards are going to get swept up into groupthink no matter what, karma just greases the proverbial wheels a bit.
The small size of the community mitigates the groupthink problem to some extent. When it gets so big that you don't recognize 90% of the usernames then that's an existential crisis.
It's all well and good until an active pedophile drifts into the midst of the normal users and becomes institutionalized.
Yeah well, setsuna enjoyer is no more
We just have the voting system, unless it's just on Scored, I don't see a score next to any usernames which is the real problem on Reddit. They treat high karma as reaching elder status in a church.
It's not even sort of true by their own narrative. The Progressives in the Wilson era had put up tons of them.
They are attempting to make everyone think that Republicans, explicitly Goldwater, put up all the statues only when the South started to move to the right.
the more i hear of goldwater, the more based he sounds.
Read "The Consience of a Conservative" for more details on his position.
Apparently FDR put up a bunch in the lead up to WWII in an effort to unify the country (so when the populace wouldn't resist when the started drafting young men to go fight another war in Europe.)
Vicksburg surrendered to U.S. Grant on July 4, 1863.
They didn't celebrate July 4th again until 1944, a month after the Normandy landings.
Yeah, he probably needed to make sure the South was on-board.
And then on top of that, don't forget Huey Long. A Radical-Left Populist, who was probably a kind of Proto-Fascist, and was a clear threat to Roosevelt controlling the "Solid South".
"Fascism is right wing" they say. I say: Explain Huey Long.
They don't know what fascism, right wing, or Huey Long means. They're just making the correct sounds (or typing the correct letters) that get them rewards, like a dog barking on command. Don't try to reason with them unless you have evidence that they're not an NPC despite acting like one.
It's the same when they pretend gun rights weren't a thing until the first CCWs were issued.
I've noticed Reddit is beyond ignorant and dumb.
When I was a kid there were plenty of guys who didn't care about history, politics, current events, etc. and just wanted to party and get high. Understandable.
But on Reddit, now they just make shit up. It's not ignorance, it's anti-truth. And they will defend everything they make up to the death. It's the endgame of postmodernism. Everyone is living in their own deluded reality.
You'd believe garbage if you were an empty vessel.
Just looking at the plaque near the statue will tell you how wrong they are about that.