So, turns out they never learned from DmC 2013
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Rule 1: Never insult your predecessors of which you owe your fanbase to.
Look at the difference in reaction to DmC 2013 and Devil may Cry 5
One was mocked as edgy emos the game, the other had fan girls wetting themselves and boys getting motivated..
To this day I did not play the reboot, I just don't feel like it. This one scene turned me off of it and the same will happen with the suicide squad game, I love the Arkham games but this one I won't play.
Even when you have carte blanche to insult old things in your franchise, you shouldn't do it.
Look at Scrappy Doo. Everybody loved shitting on him for decades, until the series itself started doing it. And then never stopped. Until the point where people got sick of it and even started turning around on him.
fishyman go away
Clussy is a hill worth dying on. /s
This but unironcially.
The outfit looks like shit, the scene's a slap in the face same as Dante's scene was.
Retard detected
Shut up faggot
I simply don't understand the appeal of Harley Quinn as she is now. She doesn't seem to have any personality to her beyond "Strong Female Character TM". I guess she's supposed to be craaaaaazy, but she just doesn't stand out.
It’s not her specifically, it’s Margot Robbie and Jared Leto’s Joker. FFS, her shirt in Suicide Squad says Daddy’s Lil Monster. Don’t ask me why that fetish exists, it just does
You know the whole bit about "Women have to turn characters into themselves?" Well, HQ is already that character, on account of being BPD on legs.
Short answer.
It's a safe bet the most exposure normies have had to Harley is the DC Animated Universe cartoons and movies of Batman: The Animated Series, Superman: TAS, Justice League and Justice League: Unlimited, as well as Batman Beyond. There are other cartoons also in the DCAU like Static and whatever other ones I don't remember at the moment, but as Harley is a Batman character her presence is greatest in the above mentioned series, and even then I don't think she really shows up much in JL and JLU while her appearance in Batman Beyond is a single cameo in Return of the Joker that is very easy to miss if someone isn't paying attention.
Modern Harley is a heavy mix of Deadpool from Marvel, Harley from Injustice, and a self insert by the current writer, so it becomes very obvious to normies this isn't the character they remember so they lose interest quickly.
Long answer.
Harley always had what was basically a rabid fanbase of BPDs that leaned hard on the DDlg fetish despite the fact the story it is based on is beyond domestic abuse wrapped up in a "I can fix him" fairytale, despite the fact that comics rarely straw from a status quo so in terms of a prime timeline Joker is never, ever going to be fixed as it would kill the possibility of future stories.
However alternate universe [AU] timelines and dimensions are more forgiving in this sense and Harley in particular benefited greatly from such things with the Injustice story by Tom Taylor, despite the fact the story starts with Harley helping Joker kill Lois Lane as well as Superman's unborn child leading Superman to kill Joker by punching his arm through the Joker's chest. Harley manages to avoid being killed for this, of course.
From this point until the first game there are 5 years of slow changes in various characters to where they get to in Injustice. Superman doesn't immediately take over the world and the Leaguers who side with him don't immediately fall into lockstep. Batman does however immediately stay the same because he's Batman.
In these 5 years Harley gets a lot of page/panel time and her interactions with Green Arrow for example slowly started endearing her to comic readers. Eventually after 5 years of those comics, more comics between Injustice 1 and Injustice 2, and depending if you want to really step outside AU canon the comics after Injustice 2 but not ones that lead to Injustice 3 then you get a long winding tale that ended up with Harley being somewhat liked, despite the fact she still helped kill a pregnant civilian who was the wife to the single most power being on the planet and carrying his unborn child at the time.
That is what DC and many others are trying to latch onto, the "goodwill" towards Injustice Harley but still with AU versions far more similar to the pre-Injustice versions that would still kill Lois Lane to mess with Superman because Joker wanted to do it.
But it doesn't work, because Injustice Harley isn't normal Harley, and even normal Harley isn't classic Harley anymore because after the popularity of Injustice there was a decision made to try and redeem Harley in some way and turn her into the DC version of Deadpool and by a fourth wall breaking quip machine, ignoring the fact that Deathstroke looks far more like Deadpool. For added meme points she's also now a lesbian with Poison Ivy so the whole "stick a chick in it and make her lame and gay" sounds true once more.
The end result is multiple attempts to try and push Harley on audiences but not any version they are probably used to so the landing never works.
Final note, Injustice by itself is worth reading but given how utterly dogshit DC is these days, as is Marvel, I don't recommend paying for their works, even their older back catalogues so sites like this are extremely useful for reading entire comic series.
Just make sure to use an adblocker.
I'd also like to add, Harley was a good character as a side-character.
And you're right that in the original animated versions it was easy to like her when she did periodically appear.
Now she suffers from the side-character-as-a-main-character syndrome, insofar that there wasn't enough there for her as a side-character to be a main character and be liked. She played well off the Joker as the less crazy one in the pairing, and garnered some sympathy for how he treated her in the DCAU; and the abusive relationship is what made her somewhat endearing, while her psychotic side and loyalty to Joker made her unpredictable and interesting... in small doses.
She is a bit like Booker from 21 Jump Street -- he was a cool character on that show, but he was not cool enough to warrant having his own show as the main character, which is why his solo spin-off failed.
How is this going to sell video games?
Sell video games?
Outside the outfit stuff, the game had no chance in hell when they announced a generic, looter shooter gear progression with a massive push for “live service.” The Avenger’s looter shooter was buried last year and it was the same shit. This will be buried next to it.
It also had no chance because Suicide Squad has been so overused it already has hit diminishing returns. The premise has long lost its uniqueness, Harley herself has lost all her appeal (and is also overused herself), and Bamham's combat was the only thing everyone agreed was the good part.
Like, they could absolutely sell a generic looter shooter with the right coat of paint. This ain't it and its continuing to get worse with each leak.
Harley was the worst of the main characters of The Suicide Squad (2021).
Harley has been the worst of the characters in most things she has been in since the 00s. Even when she was being done well, she was still a pretty terrible character outside of enjoying looking at her or seeing her bullied.
Which, granted, was all she was good for to begin with. But back in those days she was a side character who didn't overstay her welcome.
And then Injustice happened catapulting an AU version of her to far more widespread popularity that DC has been chasing ever since.
Honestly, Injustice might be one of the worst things that ever happened to DC. They can never escape its shadow on the characters, even if they try.
Doesn't help Tom Taylor still writes for them and keeps bringing Injustice back in various ways. From Injustice 3 to the cameos when John Kent's Superman goes dimension hopping the attempts to further milk the game are become necrophilic.
Nitter link. And the scene I am referencing in the thread title here. This was 12 years ago. Oh and it was 2012, I cannot count :)
Retard alert
I can guarantee the point of this scene was to "address" the complaints of "why she look different" preemptively. So that way they can say "because she hates her old look!" and the fanboys (what little they might get) can post this scene to win the argument.
The problem being, this game has no fans whatsoever and the leaks are letting people see all these things outside the "sunken cost" that would let it all slide otherwise. So its all getting clowned on.
Heh.
They screwed up the moment they decided the "sequel" to Arkham Knight was going to be a reboot (both mechanically and story-wise.) Just keep building on that base and you'd be fine, but no, you had to add a bunch of bullshit, and now you're killing a franchise. Good job.
It's not that hard to head canon her not wanting to wear it because it reminds her of Joker, though come to think of it, she had a good relationship with him in the Arkham series, soo I dunno. Maybe it's her way of grieving.
idk Capcom has been doing pretty well for awhile and surely they aren't working on this right?