I just re-watched v for vendetta cause it's the 5th of November. I haven't watched it in a decade. I remembered it as a good movie. I was wrong. It reminded me that the woke propaganda started way earlier than the 2010s. The idiocy was already there in the mid 2000's.
In this 2006 movie, there's a homo honoring the Quran (more or less). The villains are conservative Christians who are against immigration. There's a big emphasis on the victimization of gays. The only female villain is excused for her crime and given an honorable death. Honestly, the only thing missing would be more POC and then this could easily pass up as a modern movie. It was made by the Wachowski after all so it was to be expected. Surprise! Both turned into trannies like the bots that they are (one as early as 2008).
Ironically, the plot revolved around a government that used the release of a man-made virus to take over the country and restrict freedom. They control the police, the media, etc. Basically modern day bs but with the roles of oppressors/oppressed reversed.
The average Millennial and Gen Xer has been slowly brainwashed by narratives like this for years so it's no wonder now that when they came into power, they attacked who they've been told is the enemy. They turned themselves into the mindless villains along the way because the message of V is not to bring justice and restore order but to punish and virtue signal in the hope that someone else will fix it. Blow up the parliament, sure, but what do you do after is what's supposed to be important. Don't persecute the lgbtq and let them speak sure...but what if what they had to say wasn't worth hearing. What if in fact it was detrimental to the rest of the nation. What if it was so loud that what anyone else said wasn't heard anymore..so loud that it buried reason itself. Here we are.
This is the movie where the good guy kidnaps a woman, locks her up in isolation in a filthy cell, shaves all her hair off, starves her, and indoctrinates her into his way of thinking. But of course, since he is the GOOD GUY and we know he is because we are told that he is, it's okay when he does it.
Just because he's the protagonist doesn't make him a "good guy".
And it's pretty clear about that imo. He does a lot of fucked up things
Isn't V more of an anti-hero anyway?
Yeah, he is. OP missed this...somehow.
It's akin to watchmen, in which nobody is 'good', but they all have massive flaws they're trying to deal with in pursuit of their goals, and rorscach is beloved because of them, even though the book tries to tell you he's an awful person (and he is pretty fucked up) who nobody should trust/want around. Despite his massive issues, people like him because he's willing to uphold his principles until death, and he refuses to compromise on them.
I mean OP is correct that V for Vendetta is a subversive piece of media like almost everything that Hollywood has ever produced. But in 2005 the world was a very different place as well. It wasn't anywhere as woke as it was today.
I meant the OP of this thread, not the topic. Sorry for not being more clear.
I understood that. I just wanted to add that the OP gives the movie more credit than it is due while also missing that V is an anti-hero. It's not particularly woke nor is it pushing something that most people weren't already agreeing with at the time anyway. Unlike today.
No, I was absolutely not okay with them pushing the same-sex agenda so heavy-handily in the movie, or the Islam-acceptance.
I remember talking about that with some others and adamantly pointing out that I liked aspects of the movie but didn't like that they tried collating homosexuality with civic rights.
The thing is -- as I've said many times before -- anything anyone does in the privacy of their own home doesn't matter to anyone. So long as it wasn't paraded around, literally no one cared. But it wasn't about what was being done in private, it was about what they wanted to be accepted in public.
Can I remind everyone that OP is the original poster. In tree comments like this is appropriate to refer to parents and grandparents.
the foundations of woke were already well installed, but the targets of woke were different. It seems "less" woke only because many of the assumptions in media that you take for granted were baked in wokeness from before you were born
The world was less woke in 2005. Even in 2010 it was less woke. At that time Tumblr was considered a pit of insanity. Today their insanity is mainstream. If we go by your logic then the world was already woke in the 1700s because the French Revolution started the path to wokeness. And the subversion of European culture started even earlier.
Well at that point this was the only way for him to protect himself and her. She already knew he was underground probably in an old subway station, the government would have tortured her too and find V afterwards and then probably kill both.
Not to be that guy (but totally to be that guy) I just want to point out that "made by the Wachowskis" in this case is not "made by the Wachowskis." They wrote and produced, but didn't direct. The director was someone who doesn't really matter. In fact that was his first movie. It's only a sticking point to me because a LOT of people think the Wachowski's directed it, and I can't blame them because the marketing heavily emphasized their involvement. And yes, this certainly has its annoying wokeness (no mention of how the lesbian diary is treated as the epitome of romance?). It is funny how the impetus for the villains' power grab was an outbreak (I don't recall if it's implied to have been a false flag). While I'm sure plenty of liberals will lap this movie up, that especially prescient point will go unnoticed.
V for vendetta is a comic book by Alan Moore
That inspired a movie adaptation that altered most of the plot and changed most characters.
It's not really the same for every film. Sometimes the directors are given wide berth to do whatever they want. In others, the producers keep them on a short leash.
Push it too far and suddenly your film is directed by Alan Smithee, but that depends on the temperament of those involved.
Its from Alan Moore. A guy who can only make correct or "based" things by accident, due to being so retarded in his far left ideologies he cannot fathom what normal people think like. So it was always going to be woke from the outset unless the team behind it was actively working against it.
But it managed to resonate with a lot of people because regardless of the details, its still at its most basic a movie about reminding people that you can literally outnumber authoritarianism and tyranny. If enough people are inspired to stand up, the powers that be are shown to be truly powerless to do anything about it. Which is why they keep us divided and turning on each other, scared to pop our heads out.
I have no great respect for it, its cringe in all the ways you listed and more, but its most basic central theme resonates because anti-authority is something that both the Right and Left agree on (until they are the authority).
Yes it's propaganda. But even the source material was inspired by some idea that Margaret Thatcher would bring fascism and nuclear holocaust to the planet.
Trump versus lunatics was alive and well back in the 80s, too, with the boogey man tag-team duo of Reagan and Thatcher. Funny enough, the UK made some really awesome apocalyptic stuff to support the scaremongering, like Threads and When the Wind Blows.
My favorite was the Happiness Brigade on Doctor Who. The villain was supposed to be Thatcher, but in my modern eyes I saw the left in so many ways.
And wasn't it actually created by Moore, the Watchmen guy? And just like with Watchmen, everything about what was wrong with that world politically was absolute projection from him?
Remember, according to Moore Rorschach is supposed to be completely in the wrong and everyone who likes him in any way is wrong and evil.
In a world of rape, nukes, and genocide, the real evil is believing in morality.
In the end you're supposed to accept that a single psychopath killing a couple hundred million people is OK, as long as it convinces the survivors to live the way he wants them to. For their own good of course. So it's an apt summary of communism.
Yeah he supposedly lost faith in humanity when people didn't hate rorschach
Irony being that the character he was trying to mock with it, Mr. A, was far less liked by everyone than Rorschach ever was. All the little details and flaws Moore added to make him seem hypocritical and "more evil" just ended up humanizing him and making him more relatable than the walking monologue Mr. A was.
It is by far the biggest "own goal" probably in media history.
Yep.
Everyone loved rorschach though, and Moore tried to make him hated in the graphic novel.
Sure ofc it were evil populist nationalists, nothing else would have gotten past the censores in the media. But the message for freedom against a tyrannical regime was still there. So anyone who can think a little critical still gets the message.
I find Children of Men way worse. There isnt even a good message there. As if one woman (which is black and pregnant) can somehow save humanity when nobody gets kids anymore. And even the white man at the end has to row the boat while he is shot to get the black woman to safety and apparently she cant row her self. And there isnt even one likeable character in the movie.
Black, pregnant, illegal immigrant, doesn't know who the father is. I was positively disgusted on my first and only watch of that movie. I can't believe how highly regarded it is outside of a yardstick for Leftist belief system infiltration into media.
The only really entertaining part of the movie was watching the Muslims getting rounded up and deported, and then later the Muslims still un-deported start a gigantic shooting riot which forces the English military to have to mobilize against them.
I still think Dark City is better
Literally only changed hands because the Wa-polishnames went tranny. Before that it was entirely either apolitical mainstream slop or flirthy TRP righties.
Its a perfect example of how shallow their idols are. Two losers put on dresses, call their 20 year old film totally a trans message, and its just accepted as truth.
I saw that happening and I know they don’t like the term “take the red pill”
A boy turns into a man the moment he concludes that Socrates was the villain.
What did Socrates do?
He spread dissatisfaction when there was none previously. He questioned for the sake of questioning while offering no solutions for improvement, just to de-legitimize the people and institutions of his day. Depending on the version of the story he also failed to support his wife and children.
He was the prototype ungrateful man-child who refused to accept his role. And instead set about harming the society that raised him for the crime of wanting him to stfu and gbtw.
He took the poison rather than renounce his ways because he would rather die than shoulder the burdens of manhood.
According to our enemies we are doing a lot of the same things.
They always say retarded things, so what?
I tried watching that movie again about a year ago and I couldn't get past the opening 5 minutes.
Part of me wants to like it because at least the totalitarianism in the movie has a good aesthetic while Real World totalitarianism is a fat woman cop driving a rainbow car and dancing a tik tok video just before she bashes your head in for sending a mean tweet.
But the past 3 years have just made all these 2000s era movies and TV shows cringe.
I've had the same experience. My recently developed allergy to wokeness has made evident how long that allergy was in the making.
Hollywood has always been a destructive force in our society. Sowing division. They are probably the primary driver behind the current cabal
From what I heard it deviated heavily from the original work I liken that film to Starship Troopers just without the charm, the best actor in that wears a mask all the time and he's more emotive than most of the cast.
I always meant to read the original graphic novel. I remember Natalie Portman’s character was in jail for being gay. I remember rolling my eyes at the time but I wasn’t yet tired of lgbt content because it wasn’t everywhere. I definitely remember the kind death he gave to that woman
It started as far back as the og The Twilight Zone.