I just re-watched v for vendetta cause it's the 5th of November. I haven't watched it in a decade. I remembered it as a good movie. I was wrong. It reminded me that the woke propaganda started way earlier than the 2010s. The idiocy was already there in the mid 2000's.
In this 2006 movie, there's a homo honoring the Quran (more or less). The villains are conservative Christians who are against immigration. There's a big emphasis on the victimization of gays. The only female villain is excused for her crime and given an honorable death. Honestly, the only thing missing would be more POC and then this could easily pass up as a modern movie. It was made by the Wachowski after all so it was to be expected. Surprise! Both turned into trannies like the bots that they are (one as early as 2008).
Ironically, the plot revolved around a government that used the release of a man-made virus to take over the country and restrict freedom. They control the police, the media, etc. Basically modern day bs but with the roles of oppressors/oppressed reversed.
The average Millennial and Gen Xer has been slowly brainwashed by narratives like this for years so it's no wonder now that when they came into power, they attacked who they've been told is the enemy. They turned themselves into the mindless villains along the way because the message of V is not to bring justice and restore order but to punish and virtue signal in the hope that someone else will fix it. Blow up the parliament, sure, but what do you do after is what's supposed to be important. Don't persecute the lgbtq and let them speak sure...but what if what they had to say wasn't worth hearing. What if in fact it was detrimental to the rest of the nation. What if it was so loud that what anyone else said wasn't heard anymore..so loud that it buried reason itself. Here we are.
I mean OP is correct that V for Vendetta is a subversive piece of media like almost everything that Hollywood has ever produced. But in 2005 the world was a very different place as well. It wasn't anywhere as woke as it was today.
I meant the OP of this thread, not the topic. Sorry for not being more clear.
I understood that. I just wanted to add that the OP gives the movie more credit than it is due while also missing that V is an anti-hero. It's not particularly woke nor is it pushing something that most people weren't already agreeing with at the time anyway. Unlike today.
No, I was absolutely not okay with them pushing the same-sex agenda so heavy-handily in the movie, or the Islam-acceptance.
I remember talking about that with some others and adamantly pointing out that I liked aspects of the movie but didn't like that they tried collating homosexuality with civic rights.
The thing is -- as I've said many times before -- anything anyone does in the privacy of their own home doesn't matter to anyone. So long as it wasn't paraded around, literally no one cared. But it wasn't about what was being done in private, it was about what they wanted to be accepted in public.
Using entertainment media to subversively push a political agenda is never "okay". That's not what I was saying. I'm saying it wasn't an on the nose propaganda piece that completely went against the Zeitgeist like it is being done today.
LGHDTV+ bullshit wasn't anywhere near the level that it is today. The US invaded several Islamic countries unprovoked and bombed them back into the stone age. Like it or not during that time Muslims were unquestionably victims even if you buy into the official 9/11 story as neither Afghanistan nor Iraq had anything to do with it.
That's all I'm saying. Subversive? Yes, like everything Hollywood has ever produced. Propaganda piece? Not really. For example the current Disney shit is propaganda. It's not subversive. Subversive would require them to actually try to hide their true intentions.
Can I remind everyone that OP is the original poster. In tree comments like this is appropriate to refer to parents and grandparents.
the foundations of woke were already well installed, but the targets of woke were different. It seems "less" woke only because many of the assumptions in media that you take for granted were baked in wokeness from before you were born
The world was less woke in 2005. Even in 2010 it was less woke. At that time Tumblr was considered a pit of insanity. Today their insanity is mainstream. If we go by your logic then the world was already woke in the 1700s because the French Revolution started the path to wokeness. And the subversion of European culture started even earlier.
It was just as woke and insane, but that insanity wasn't visible to normies because social media didn't exist.