So they voted no to this? I hate these kinds of articles as they're so clickbaity that it's hard to get reliable information without reading all of the padding for the one sentence with info.
If that's the case, are they going to pull an EU and keep voting on it until they get the yes or is it going to be a Scottish independence where you had one chance now whine as you don't get another.
Correct, I meant to include that but forgot to include it as an editorialisation. It's the first part of the quoted text from the start of the article, however.
Fortunately, usually it's the 2nd to last paragraph you get the info. But it's weird how they put it as they keep linking to polls like its not set in stone yet.
Paging u/bamboozler1, the Aussie-in-exile, for his thoughts on this because TBH care more about hearing what he has to say than anything else since he posted about the run up to this and now that it's done, and not in the way the Aus Gov were wanting it to go, I want to know what he thinks about this result specifically and what it might mean more generally for Australia.
He hasn't posted in a month after recently moving to Sweden 🤔 I don't want to make my usual inactivity joke here but does anyone know if he's okay before I start saying "he ded".
I’ve unironically been living in a woke residential cult. It’s hell. I’m still legally working out my escape options…
I’ll post about it some time.
Shit’s been… Wild.
So yeah…
I just… Haven’t had time. Or headspace. Or privacy.
But I am alive. I’m just very worn down and tired. And have Covid. Because the stupid fucks at the cult don’t believe in illness or sick days or even covering their fucking coughs with their arms (yes, really)…
At least all the ellipses are done correctly. Annoys the shit out of me when someone just starts spamming the period key as if a line needs as many as possible...... 🙄
I've noticed boomers so this a lot, which makes chats with parents... tedious at times.
Aha! He actually moved to Sweden? Man, he could've move out of the progressive parts of southern tasmania to somewhere more regional like Queensland, South Australia or a suburb of Perth. No instead he goes all the way to bloody sweden to get car bombed by the mozzies there.
Dude really needs to rethink his life choices. That or stop being a shill.
So, as amusingly sarcastic as this is (I assume), true story: I did actually meet and talk to Greta briefly a few weeks ago. She was just as weird, loud, and annoying as you might expect.
And yes, that sounds like bullshit, but I have photographic evidence, haha.
It was ridiculously, absurdly easy to do. So myself and the people I was with did so.
But holy shit it must be annoying people getting up in your face all the time with cameras and shit.
I ended up standing near her (at an event) for much longer than I wanted to, and it was annoying for me, as well…
Did also get to (separately) meet one of her colleagues/close friends, though, and that went much better, to say the least. Name’s Isabel. Half-British, half-Swedish. Great chick.
So yeah, I swear, on all that I’m worth, that this entire thing did actually happen. Because Sweden.
It is fucking fantastic being a reasonably confident Australian here, at least in terms of meeting women.
I'll definitely give you whatever advice I can as soon as I'm in a better situation! But that might take a while, unfortunately...
As bad as things were where I was before, this place (not Sweden. More specifically the cult, and the place it is in) are unequivocally much worse, so...
If I can advise anything, it would be that moving to the other side of the world is a huge risk, and you want to have multiple "escape" plans lined up, contacts with local lawyers, and a bigger financial buffer than I ever expected (I have one, but I didn't plan for things to be quite this bad)...
Oh, and bring less stuff than you think you might need/want, not because it's easy to replace them (it isn't necessarily easy, at all), but because, if you bring even what you think is the bare minimum, you then have to carry that with you, physically, which makes a quick escape, without losing the stuff, more difficult...
I packed for 10 months. Now I have to get 10 months of stuff, plus what I've bought since, out of this place, and either carry it with me, or dump it. Which is much harder to do, quickly, than I planned for...
So that's just a few early tips from someone who knew that shit could go bad, but still underprepared for shit hitting the fan, as it has, sadly...
Honestly, this result is somewhat of a white-pill, a nice point that their propaganda isn't as unbreakable as what was once believed. I've also enjoyed looking at the electorate breakdowns (best one I've found I'll link below, I know it's The Guardian, but it's the only way to view the interactable map), and it's been enjoyable to see that the most white areas that have the least interaction with Aboriginals and other non-white demographics (AKA NIMBY's) are the ones that were most likely to vote "yes". On top of this, outside inner-city predominantly white areas, most areas are pretty evenly representative of the rest of the nation, that being roughly only 35-40% supported the yes vote, key exceptions being inner city Melbourne, Canberra (politician central), and inner city Sydney.
Meanwhile, you look at places like Northern Territory, Western Australia and Queensland, often considered the states more likely to have higher populations of Aboriginal people, and you'll see that they're the states with lower numbers of "yes" support, with NT in specific being interesting currently sitting at 38% yes vote, and often considered The Aboriginal State, containing both Darwin and Alice Springs that have much higher numbers than other cities in Australia.
The reality is that nobody wanted this. Even the lefties pushing it were just pushing current thing and couldn't give any information about how "The Voice" would operate beyond "they'll make representations". What's a "representation"? Who the fuck knows!? But they can make them! On top of this, as an organisation that would be enshrined within our Constitution, the taxpayer would be paying the members salaries. How many members? Again, who the fuck knows!? There are over 100 different recognised tribes of Aboriginals in Australia, to have one member from each would rival House of Representatives (151 seats) and surpassing the Senate (71 seats).
The lack of clarity for even the layperson was too much. Nobody knew what it was, and that was obviously part of the design, and people saw it.
Now, the negative. Just because this vote failed, doesn't mean The Voice cannot exist. Technically, Local government shouldn't exist in Australia, but it does. In fact, this went to referendum twice. Once in 1977, and again in 1988. Both failed, with ~47% and ~34% voting in favour respectively. These were with regards to to:
Local Government Bodies
to give the Commonwealth powers to borrow money for, and to make financial assistance grants directly to, any local government body
and
Local Government
to recognise local government in the Constitution
respectively. Since then, Australia has and maintains local governments and councils, and grants are routinely given to said organisations.
Now this isn't as vile as a race based apartheid ruling, and some here might agree with the idea of local councils, but Australians certainly didn't, and the government lost both times, but went ahead with it anyway. Meaning that this "Voice" could very well be a thing in the future.
So as much as this is a whitepill, a nice relief from the shitshow of everything, including just how pozzed the average Aussie ultimately is, it's not a nail in the coffin. I wish it were. Albanese might have put a nail in his run to re-elect as Prime Minister and could get voted out next election, but the opposition (The Liberal Party) aren't really anything to praise and neither are any of Albo's fellow party members (Labor Party).
Overall, it's a mixed bag. It's somewhat of a win, but I remain doubting that this is in any way the end of those efforts.
There are over 100 different recognised tribes of Aboriginals in Australia, to have one member from each would rival House of Representatives (151 seats) and surpassing the Senate (71 seats).
I'm kinda disappointed. A lot of people who voted No around me still did still on the basis that they understood this referendum as one based on racial division.
They never even bothered to go to the voice.gov.au website and view the actual constitution amendment proposal and see this sham vote for what it was
I'm happy that No won, but kinda upset that many people still got played into taking sides without seeing the bigger picture - that it was a power play
Australia has voted No to the Indigenous Voice to Parliament - with key swing states of Tasmania, South Australia and New South Wales all called for the No campaign.
ABC election guru Antony Green called Tasmania for the No vote - a key swing state - shortly after 7pm AEST, followed by New South Wales about 7.15pm and South Australia about 7.25pm.
The Yes campaign was required to win a majority of states and majority of the national vote for the referendum to pass. At this point, it is very unlikely to secure either.
Should results continue to match opinion polls, every single Australian state would vote No to the proposition to enshrine an Indigenous advisory body into the constitution.
The ACT - home to Canberra, the capital - voted Yes, as did the eastern suburbs of Sydney, according to election data.
Edit: Fuck, I meant to include the result being "No" in the title but that wasn't actually part of the headline.
This won't be the end of it, obviously. The courts might find a way to enforce it without a vote, or they'll rig the next vote if need be.
Sadly, probably correct. I'm surprised it's not already happening. I fully expected the results to be "Votes are in: resounding no. But, also, unrelatedly...yes, we're doing it anyway. Democracy!"
finally, we vote sensibly on something for once. About time.
60:40 no too, pretty decisively.
What was the voice? Anyone who pretends to be able to tell you is lying, because there were no details. If I were conspiratorially minded (and I am) I'd suggest it was deliberately vague with no details, labor (note the unaustralian spelling of their party name) just wanted a blank cheque to form an advisory board of lefties and suck up taxpayer funds called 'the voice', ostensibly 'to give the indigenous additional representation and voice', even though they're already disproportionately represented in our parliament. Why else not provide a plan and structure for this thing you are wanting to enshrine in our constitution and have us stuck with from here-on in.
We've had these bullshit 'advisory boards' before, and they're just utterly corrupt money pits that get dissolved later with both party's agreement, being stuck with it cause it's in the constitution is not what we need. Look up 'Geoff Clark atsic' to see what happened to the last one, just hideously corrupt.
Labor is absolutely free to consult with whoever they want, they don't need it in the constitution to do so. What they wanted was for the liberals to be forced to have to do so, and have them and their buddies funded with another corrupt board on taxpayer funds.
But we were all forced (compulsory voting) to come to the polls today and tell them to fuck off. Even the usually lefty Australia and city reddits are saying this was a cockup, and admitting to having voted no on this. What a waste of time and money
I think the most helpful thing is when their arrogance has them thinking they can't lose and they don't realize they need to cheat until it's too late.
It's probably a temporary after-effect of the corona epidemic, wherein the NPC programming has had too many updates, resulting in a catastrophic system failure from mutually contradictory inputs, and during the reboot the NPC programming was momentarily truncated in order to maintain system integrity.
The people in control of the left are very smart. (Quick, screenshot just that line and say I'm praising leftists!) They will allow a defeat to be televised to galvanize their supporters even more. They will throw a battle to win the long war.
In the grand scheme of things, it's just lightly pumping the brakes on the car already poised to go off the cliff.
They aren't so much smart as their entire lives revolve around this shit. Case in point: the PM said that if the country doesn't vote Yes Australia will be over as a country. And then he went on TV and literally cried about the No vote winning. These are all things only stupid people would do.
"“This is our grand final between yes and no. This is the most generous request that is being put to the people of Australia."
"“Nobody asked the Pies two weeks ago what are you going to do if you lose,” Senator McCarthy replied in reference to Collingwood’s nail biting AFL grand final win on Saturday."
You're spot on, this is the level of political discourse on the yes side.
Let me try and put this in some context. Every state voted no, only the inner city places like Melbourne, Eastern Sydney suberbs and Hobart voted for Yes, while most of regional Aus voted No. It was like the 2016 US election again and that's where alot of the Yes people campaigned and placed signs, inside the city and not the country.
Labor, which is a left leaning political party here, took the issue to last year's election. They wanted an advisory body to the parliament made up of aboriginal Australians. The PM however wanted to change the constitution to allow the body to not be dismissed by changes of government, if this was created, a right leaning liberal government would have to have another referendum to remove the advisory body. Said body could also dictate policy that the government would consider signing into law. Renaming Australia Day to Invasion Day? Check. Inserting some amalgam of the Aus Flag and Abo Flag? Check. Reparations for perceived guilt? Better believe that's a Check. And the public would have no say on any of this, the proposal would go straight to the government floor to be made a bill that would get voted on.
So that's the two sides. Yes saying "We need this to heal." No saying "Think of future division." The thing is though a poll was done where 80% of people had already made up there minds when the campaigning started. I see this whole thing as a waste of tax dollars and Labor being forced to fulfill their campaign promise. The PM had to expend alot of political capital on a failed referendum, the first in 20 years. It's not a good sign for his government.
I have many thoughts and informed insights on this. But I’m also not in a very good situation right now.
So I’ll try to comment when I can, if I can.
Right now I’m just trying to stay safe and like, not get any more sick. And not be kicked out onto the street, here (Sweden, remember), with no easy safe recovery route, because relying on my exes here is... Not what I want to do.
Plesantly surprised. Everything I've seen made me certain Yes would've won. Thus far, it doesn't seem like there has been a Trump-style meltdown amongst Australian lefties atm, as what normally happens when shit doesn't go their way.
Another Aussie here and what a wild ride it's been.
To give some context around what's been happening, the referendum was asking to change the constitution to include the following:
129 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice
In recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples as the First Peoples of Australia:
there shall be a body, to be called the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice;
the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice may make representations to the Parliament and the Executive Government of the Commonwealth on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples;
the Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws with respect to matters relating to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice, including its composition, functions, powers and procedures.
You can probably already see the problems:
it's giving one race the special privilege of permanent direct access to parliament, i.e. members of lower house and the senate (upper house), and the executive government (responsible for the drafting of laws, policy, introducing bills, etc.).
'matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice' is very broad and could include things that affect every Australian, e.g. taxation, health care, education, etc.
In other words, it would constitutionalise a race-based lobby group, equipped with a separate bureaucracy that would give indigenous citizens the ability to have an additional say on every law and administrative decision, not just those relating specifically to Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islanders.
The referendum was introduced by the Labour party (a left wing political party in Australia) but did not have bipartisan support from either the Liberals (right wing) or the greens (hard left wing). For context, no referendum in Australia has ever succeeded without bipartisan support.
It did however get support from many of the biggest corporations in Australia including banks, tech companies, airlines, grocery chains, and others. It had support from many church denominations and many high profile people as well. Have a look at this list of the 'Yes' endorsements compared to the 'No' endorsements - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorsements_in_the_2023_Australian_Indigenous_Voice_referendum
It was virtue signaling on steroids.
The Yes' campaign came out with all the usual leftist talking points - every indigenous person was a victim, and it was needed to combat institutional racism in Australia. They accused the 'No' campaign of racism and misinformation - despite the 'No' campaign being headed up by two Indigenous people - Warren Mundine and Jacinta Price.
They had massive financial backing as well and ran a media blitz - 'Yes' advertisements were everywhere - TV, radio, online, billboards and signs all over the place. In the polling booth I went to on Saturday, there were 'Yes' campaign signs everywhere and not a single 'No' campaign sign anywhere - it was wild.
a couple of other highlights:
The 'Yes' campaign colours were very similar to that of the AEC (Australian Electoral Commission) - the body that oversees elections and referendums. I don't believe this was a coincidence.
The AEC came out and said they would accept a tick as a 'yes' vote, but not a cross as a 'no' vote. Note - the correct way to fill out a voting form is to write either yes or no in the box on the form.
It came out during the campaign that some of the leaders of the 'Yes' campaign were actual communists. Others publicly advocated for reparations and the changing of Australia day (which many lefties call 'Invasion day').
And despite all of the institutional backing and all of the money the 'yes' campaign had they still failed to win a majority in any state, or with the population in general. The only territory that voted 'yes' was the ACT (Australian Capital Territory), our equivalent to Washington DC. Fortunately, territories don't count in the referendum.
So yes, this was in fact, a big white pill moment.
Well, it is Canberra/ACT, which is the politics center of Australia.
Interestingly enough though, breaking it down by electorate, even inner Canberra wasn't the area with the most voting yes. That disgrace goes to Inner City Melbourne, with 78% voting yes as of writing this. Followed by Grayndler(Sydney), Inner City Sydney, and then Inner Canberra, at 74%, 71% and 70.5% respectively.
So they voted no to this? I hate these kinds of articles as they're so clickbaity that it's hard to get reliable information without reading all of the padding for the one sentence with info.
If that's the case, are they going to pull an EU and keep voting on it until they get the yes or is it going to be a Scottish independence where you had one chance now whine as you don't get another.
Correct, I meant to include that but forgot to include it as an editorialisation. It's the first part of the quoted text from the start of the article, however.
Fortunately, usually it's the 2nd to last paragraph you get the info. But it's weird how they put it as they keep linking to polls like its not set in stone yet.
Here's how Bernie can still win!
60/40 nation wide. 6/0 on a states basis.
You need to win both the pass it.
Paging u/bamboozler1, the Aussie-in-exile, for his thoughts on this because TBH care more about hearing what he has to say than anything else since he posted about the run up to this and now that it's done, and not in the way the Aus Gov were wanting it to go, I want to know what he thinks about this result specifically and what it might mean more generally for Australia.
Previous thread on this:
https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/16c2MsQK2K/thought-this-deserved-a-post-of-/c/
He hasn't posted in a month after recently moving to Sweden 🤔 I don't want to make my usual inactivity joke here but does anyone know if he's okay before I start saying "he ded".
I’ve unironically been living in a woke residential cult. It’s hell. I’m still legally working out my escape options…
I’ll post about it some time.
Shit’s been… Wild.
So yeah…
I just… Haven’t had time. Or headspace. Or privacy.
But I am alive. I’m just very worn down and tired. And have Covid. Because the stupid fucks at the cult don’t believe in illness or sick days or even covering their fucking coughs with their arms (yes, really)…
I’ll write a book on all this one day.
The punctuation confirms it, it's really him. Glad you're still with us, my man.
At least all the ellipses are done correctly. Annoys the shit out of me when someone just starts spamming the period key as if a line needs as many as possible...... 🙄
I've noticed boomers so this a lot, which makes chats with parents... tedious at times.
I mean he needed a break from doomposting and got told to do so pretty frequently, I should hope he just took the advice and is just having some fun.
Aha! He actually moved to Sweden? Man, he could've move out of the progressive parts of southern tasmania to somewhere more regional like Queensland, South Australia or a suburb of Perth. No instead he goes all the way to bloody sweden to get car bombed by the mozzies there.
Dude really needs to rethink his life choices. That or stop being a shill.
He’s probably swimming in Swedish liberal women and too busy to post.
He probably sees a hot local woman (like greta thunberg) and wows her with his australian accent.
So, as amusingly sarcastic as this is (I assume), true story: I did actually meet and talk to Greta briefly a few weeks ago. She was just as weird, loud, and annoying as you might expect.
And yes, that sounds like bullshit, but I have photographic evidence, haha.
It was ridiculously, absurdly easy to do. So myself and the people I was with did so.
But holy shit it must be annoying people getting up in your face all the time with cameras and shit. I ended up standing near her (at an event) for much longer than I wanted to, and it was annoying for me, as well…
Did also get to (separately) meet one of her colleagues/close friends, though, and that went much better, to say the least. Name’s Isabel. Half-British, half-Swedish. Great chick.
So yeah, I swear, on all that I’m worth, that this entire thing did actually happen. Because Sweden.
It is fucking fantastic being a reasonably confident Australian here, at least in terms of meeting women.
Any advice for a fellow aussie who would also like to get out? Ideally not to a woke residential cult.
I'll definitely give you whatever advice I can as soon as I'm in a better situation! But that might take a while, unfortunately...
As bad as things were where I was before, this place (not Sweden. More specifically the cult, and the place it is in) are unequivocally much worse, so...
If I can advise anything, it would be that moving to the other side of the world is a huge risk, and you want to have multiple "escape" plans lined up, contacts with local lawyers, and a bigger financial buffer than I ever expected (I have one, but I didn't plan for things to be quite this bad)...
Oh, and bring less stuff than you think you might need/want, not because it's easy to replace them (it isn't necessarily easy, at all), but because, if you bring even what you think is the bare minimum, you then have to carry that with you, physically, which makes a quick escape, without losing the stuff, more difficult...
I packed for 10 months. Now I have to get 10 months of stuff, plus what I've bought since, out of this place, and either carry it with me, or dump it. Which is much harder to do, quickly, than I planned for...
So that's just a few early tips from someone who knew that shit could go bad, but still underprepared for shit hitting the fan, as it has, sadly...
Not Bamboozler, but am another Aussie.
Honestly, this result is somewhat of a white-pill, a nice point that their propaganda isn't as unbreakable as what was once believed. I've also enjoyed looking at the electorate breakdowns (best one I've found I'll link below, I know it's The Guardian, but it's the only way to view the interactable map), and it's been enjoyable to see that the most white areas that have the least interaction with Aboriginals and other non-white demographics (AKA NIMBY's) are the ones that were most likely to vote "yes". On top of this, outside inner-city predominantly white areas, most areas are pretty evenly representative of the rest of the nation, that being roughly only 35-40% supported the yes vote, key exceptions being inner city Melbourne, Canberra (politician central), and inner city Sydney.
Meanwhile, you look at places like Northern Territory, Western Australia and Queensland, often considered the states more likely to have higher populations of Aboriginal people, and you'll see that they're the states with lower numbers of "yes" support, with NT in specific being interesting currently sitting at 38% yes vote, and often considered The Aboriginal State, containing both Darwin and Alice Springs that have much higher numbers than other cities in Australia.
The reality is that nobody wanted this. Even the lefties pushing it were just pushing current thing and couldn't give any information about how "The Voice" would operate beyond "they'll make representations". What's a "representation"? Who the fuck knows!? But they can make them! On top of this, as an organisation that would be enshrined within our Constitution, the taxpayer would be paying the members salaries. How many members? Again, who the fuck knows!? There are over 100 different recognised tribes of Aboriginals in Australia, to have one member from each would rival House of Representatives (151 seats) and surpassing the Senate (71 seats).
The lack of clarity for even the layperson was too much. Nobody knew what it was, and that was obviously part of the design, and people saw it.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/ng-interactive/2023/oct/14/live-voice-referendum-results-2023-tracker-australia-yes-no-votes-by-state-australian-indigenous-voice-to-parliament-who-won-is-winning-winner-map-counts-aec-latest-result
Now, the negative. Just because this vote failed, doesn't mean The Voice cannot exist. Technically, Local government shouldn't exist in Australia, but it does. In fact, this went to referendum twice. Once in 1977, and again in 1988. Both failed, with ~47% and ~34% voting in favour respectively. These were with regards to to:
and
respectively. Since then, Australia has and maintains local governments and councils, and grants are routinely given to said organisations.
Now this isn't as vile as a race based apartheid ruling, and some here might agree with the idea of local councils, but Australians certainly didn't, and the government lost both times, but went ahead with it anyway. Meaning that this "Voice" could very well be a thing in the future.
So as much as this is a whitepill, a nice relief from the shitshow of everything, including just how pozzed the average Aussie ultimately is, it's not a nail in the coffin. I wish it were. Albanese might have put a nail in his run to re-elect as Prime Minister and could get voted out next election, but the opposition (The Liberal Party) aren't really anything to praise and neither are any of Albo's fellow party members (Labor Party).
Overall, it's a mixed bag. It's somewhat of a win, but I remain doubting that this is in any way the end of those efforts.
lolwtf
I have no other reaction to that insanity.
I'm kinda disappointed. A lot of people who voted No around me still did still on the basis that they understood this referendum as one based on racial division.
They never even bothered to go to the voice.gov.au website and view the actual constitution amendment proposal and see this sham vote for what it was
I'm happy that No won, but kinda upset that many people still got played into taking sides without seeing the bigger picture - that it was a power play
Edit: Fuck, I meant to include the result being "No" in the title but that wasn't actually part of the headline.
This won't be the end of it, obviously. The courts might find a way to enforce it without a vote, or they'll rig the next vote if need be.
Sadly, probably correct. I'm surprised it's not already happening. I fully expected the results to be "Votes are in: resounding no. But, also, unrelatedly...yes, we're doing it anyway. Democracy!"
There's already dozens of these bodies, all funded to the wazoo that exist anyway.
finally, we vote sensibly on something for once. About time.
60:40 no too, pretty decisively.
What was the voice? Anyone who pretends to be able to tell you is lying, because there were no details. If I were conspiratorially minded (and I am) I'd suggest it was deliberately vague with no details, labor (note the unaustralian spelling of their party name) just wanted a blank cheque to form an advisory board of lefties and suck up taxpayer funds called 'the voice', ostensibly 'to give the indigenous additional representation and voice', even though they're already disproportionately represented in our parliament. Why else not provide a plan and structure for this thing you are wanting to enshrine in our constitution and have us stuck with from here-on in.
We've had these bullshit 'advisory boards' before, and they're just utterly corrupt money pits that get dissolved later with both party's agreement, being stuck with it cause it's in the constitution is not what we need. Look up 'Geoff Clark atsic' to see what happened to the last one, just hideously corrupt.
Labor is absolutely free to consult with whoever they want, they don't need it in the constitution to do so. What they wanted was for the liberals to be forced to have to do so, and have them and their buddies funded with another corrupt board on taxpayer funds.
But we were all forced (compulsory voting) to come to the polls today and tell them to fuck off. Even the usually lefty Australia and city reddits are saying this was a cockup, and admitting to having voted no on this. What a waste of time and money
interestingly enough 60/40 was the same margin for the gay marriage plebiscite years ago.
What do you mean they didn't give sweeping governmental powers to maybe the least suited demographic to wielding government powers in the world?
So how did the no side manage to stop the yes side from cheating? We could use their help in the US.
I think the most helpful thing is when their arrogance has them thinking they can't lose and they don't realize they need to cheat until it's too late.
It's probably a temporary after-effect of the corona epidemic, wherein the NPC programming has had too many updates, resulting in a catastrophic system failure from mutually contradictory inputs, and during the reboot the NPC programming was momentarily truncated in order to maintain system integrity.
You have to vote in person and have your name ticked off a list you've pre enrolled at a location for. No bags of votes after the fact.
They don't check if you go to multiple sites but you'd be driving all day to vote 10 times at most. So it's effectively pointless.
Because it wasn't that important.
The people in control of the left are very smart. (Quick, screenshot just that line and say I'm praising leftists!) They will allow a defeat to be televised to galvanize their supporters even more. They will throw a battle to win the long war.
In the grand scheme of things, it's just lightly pumping the brakes on the car already poised to go off the cliff.
They aren't so much smart as their entire lives revolve around this shit. Case in point: the PM said that if the country doesn't vote Yes Australia will be over as a country. And then he went on TV and literally cried about the No vote winning. These are all things only stupid people would do.
"Oh, no, look at all the pictures of sad and crying people! This is just like before the superheroes went in and punched the bad guys!"
"“This is our grand final between yes and no. This is the most generous request that is being put to the people of Australia."
"“Nobody asked the Pies two weeks ago what are you going to do if you lose,” Senator McCarthy replied in reference to Collingwood’s nail biting AFL grand final win on Saturday."
You're spot on, this is the level of political discourse on the yes side.
Let me try and put this in some context. Every state voted no, only the inner city places like Melbourne, Eastern Sydney suberbs and Hobart voted for Yes, while most of regional Aus voted No. It was like the 2016 US election again and that's where alot of the Yes people campaigned and placed signs, inside the city and not the country.
Labor, which is a left leaning political party here, took the issue to last year's election. They wanted an advisory body to the parliament made up of aboriginal Australians. The PM however wanted to change the constitution to allow the body to not be dismissed by changes of government, if this was created, a right leaning liberal government would have to have another referendum to remove the advisory body. Said body could also dictate policy that the government would consider signing into law. Renaming Australia Day to Invasion Day? Check. Inserting some amalgam of the Aus Flag and Abo Flag? Check. Reparations for perceived guilt? Better believe that's a Check. And the public would have no say on any of this, the proposal would go straight to the government floor to be made a bill that would get voted on.
So that's the two sides. Yes saying "We need this to heal." No saying "Think of future division." The thing is though a poll was done where 80% of people had already made up there minds when the campaigning started. I see this whole thing as a waste of tax dollars and Labor being forced to fulfill their campaign promise. The PM had to expend alot of political capital on a failed referendum, the first in 20 years. It's not a good sign for his government.
I have many thoughts and informed insights on this. But I’m also not in a very good situation right now.
So I’ll try to comment when I can, if I can.
Right now I’m just trying to stay safe and like, not get any more sick. And not be kicked out onto the street, here (Sweden, remember), with no easy safe recovery route, because relying on my exes here is... Not what I want to do.
So yeah. But I am alive!
Let's see if Poland follows suit tomorrow or if they cuck to the EU.
4chin thread archived.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/444809469/
I probably don't have enough alcohol to read this but I'm going on anyway!
I hope to Zog that OP is a troll posting bait.
Plesantly surprised. Everything I've seen made me certain Yes would've won. Thus far, it doesn't seem like there has been a Trump-style meltdown amongst Australian lefties atm, as what normally happens when shit doesn't go their way.
Another Aussie here and what a wild ride it's been.
To give some context around what's been happening, the referendum was asking to change the constitution to include the following:
You can probably already see the problems:
In other words, it would constitutionalise a race-based lobby group, equipped with a separate bureaucracy that would give indigenous citizens the ability to have an additional say on every law and administrative decision, not just those relating specifically to Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islanders.
The referendum was introduced by the Labour party (a left wing political party in Australia) but did not have bipartisan support from either the Liberals (right wing) or the greens (hard left wing). For context, no referendum in Australia has ever succeeded without bipartisan support.
It did however get support from many of the biggest corporations in Australia including banks, tech companies, airlines, grocery chains, and others. It had support from many church denominations and many high profile people as well. Have a look at this list of the 'Yes' endorsements compared to the 'No' endorsements - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorsements_in_the_2023_Australian_Indigenous_Voice_referendum
It was virtue signaling on steroids.
The Yes' campaign came out with all the usual leftist talking points - every indigenous person was a victim, and it was needed to combat institutional racism in Australia. They accused the 'No' campaign of racism and misinformation - despite the 'No' campaign being headed up by two Indigenous people - Warren Mundine and Jacinta Price.
They had massive financial backing as well and ran a media blitz - 'Yes' advertisements were everywhere - TV, radio, online, billboards and signs all over the place. In the polling booth I went to on Saturday, there were 'Yes' campaign signs everywhere and not a single 'No' campaign sign anywhere - it was wild.
a couple of other highlights:
The 'Yes' campaign colours were very similar to that of the AEC (Australian Electoral Commission) - the body that oversees elections and referendums. I don't believe this was a coincidence.
The AEC came out and said they would accept a tick as a 'yes' vote, but not a cross as a 'no' vote. Note - the correct way to fill out a voting form is to write either yes or no in the box on the form.
It came out during the campaign that some of the leaders of the 'Yes' campaign were actual communists. Others publicly advocated for reparations and the changing of Australia day (which many lefties call 'Invasion day').
And despite all of the institutional backing and all of the money the 'yes' campaign had they still failed to win a majority in any state, or with the population in general. The only territory that voted 'yes' was the ACT (Australian Capital Territory), our equivalent to Washington DC. Fortunately, territories don't count in the referendum.
So yes, this was in fact, a big white pill moment.
"Tiny dot of 60%+ Yes"
Nuke it, lol.
Well, it is Canberra/ACT, which is the politics center of Australia.
Interestingly enough though, breaking it down by electorate, even inner Canberra wasn't the area with the most voting yes. That disgrace goes to Inner City Melbourne, with 78% voting yes as of writing this. Followed by Grayndler(Sydney), Inner City Sydney, and then Inner Canberra, at 74%, 71% and 70.5% respectively.
It’s the capital city. So also yes.
Fuck Canberra. You take out Canberra and Melbourne, and the far left pretty much loses the ability to win in Aus…
It’s those two cities that pull us ever-wokeward…
Inner City Sydney has gotten pretty bad though, especially when you break down by electorate.