Let's be real, porn isn't helping the situation, but even if you abolish all pornography tomorrow you still have to address the root problem which is that getting involved with a woman is legally a catastrophic proposition.
Right, so why are you not using your imagination then? I mean, it's so much easier to just close your eyes and think of literally anything you please, yet you'll still consume porn for some reason, weird isn't it?
Porn is the worst thing you can do to yourself as a white man, and by consuming it you're playing right into their trap, someone here recently posted a very useful piece on it.
Problem with right wingers attacking porn is that they are for one, not racially conscious as white people, which itself shows all the time considering CONservatives eat up the ''based minority'' grift every fucking time, and for two, attack porn for the wrong reasons, usually trying to guilt trip you with bullshit such as how the women are victims in porn, they're forced into it, trafficking victims, they do it for the money etc. instead of telling you that it's bad for you, the man consuming that filth.
I'm aware of the ramifications of certain types of porn on ones psyche. I try to avoid a lot of western porn for that. The women are too masculine not to mention the diversity and inclusion trap. Asian porn tends to be produced with much less of western degeneracy. The mainstream porn companies might as well be an arm of the CIA from their psychological manipulation department. I get that. But if that's the argument against porn then we also need to ban most advertisements, social media, public education, etc...
Let's be real, porn isn't helping the situation, but even if you abolish all pornography tomorrow you still have to address the root problem which is that getting involved with a woman is legally a catastrophic proposition.
It's way more complicated that that. The effect of porn on relationships isn't one way. While use of porn can help men to obtain sexual satisfaction without being in a relationship, it also feeds the male sex drive which makes more men likely to want to get in a relationship.
This is the reason why feminists have such a inconsistent and unpredictable attitude towards porn. On the one hand it reduces the reliance of men on women, reducing their power, but on the other hand it can increase female sexual power. So their are all sorts of different feminist factions in relation to porn, which generally relates to what benefits they are getting out of the effect of porn on men.
The gynocentric nature of Western society is partly caused by the effect of constant exposure of males to a very softcore form of porn - the highly revealing clothing worn by many females, and sexualised female bodies displayed all over the media. This feeds the male sex drive, making men and boys more dependent on women and more gynocentric due to the halo effect from sexual attraction.
I'm surprised how few men seem to understand this. Most men should be able to see it in themselves if they were properly able to use stoic or mindfulness techniques to assess their feelings about women.
Any right thinking man, if he truly wanted to be free of women and relationships, would do well to stay away from both women and porn for his own good.
It's the only way to continue your species and your family. When in history have men being given everything for free? You've always had to fight. You're just too soft now and prefer to whine about the courts instead of overcoming the current hardships.
If I were to rape the women I wanted, I'd end in prison and she'd abort the child I impregnated her with. That's not going to help my line. There are no solutions for men in modernity except to bring down the whole system. Death without continuing your line is better than being a slave to women.
If you're white you have a very high chance of attracting a woman barring being disfigured or super short. I'm average in most ways and I have a happy family.
Don't rape a woman lol. Just find a good one that has a dad and put in effort.
Is your spellcheck always complaining to you too? Because I have no idea how to type that symbol on the keyboard, but the "English (United States)" dictionary assures me that I'm wrong and it is necessary.
You can type it via an alt code, though I don't know the code offhand, fairly easy to pull up a table of them for various accent marks via search though.
You're still mad about me wanting to ban porn? Let's do a little thinking here lethn, see me, not on porn anymore, happy relationship and just had my first child. You, on porn, whining about women, and not having a family.
I wish all my bros the best. Don't get caught in a porn trap. It is not your friend. It is a crutch and an addiction.
You're 33, never had a gf, and love porn? you're encouraging young men to follow in your footsteps? If this is who you want to emulate, guys, go ahead. If you think following someone who's given up and wants to feel sorry for themselves and keep beating their meat to porn whores you'll end up just like this.
I don't blame you for being upset with modern women, but I do blame you for staying weak and encouraging other men to stay weak with you. Crab in a bucket mentality. You hide behind figures to justify not putting yourself out there. Yes women can be toxic and dangerous. But the answer to some foods being poison isn't to not eat at all.
Mgtow/incels usually have high standards from sitting around jerking to porn stars who are usually way hotter than most human women. So when you meet a woman who's on your level you don't find her attractive. You're in the worldwide economic 1-2% and probably taller than most men worldwide and instead you focus on the cohort of hotties you can't get and use that to say you have no options.
what if I told you it was both. that porn addiction demotivates young men from pursuing relationships, while at the same time the law makes any kind of relationship a massive liability.
Porn is a symptom of the problem. That's not to say that it doesn't feed back into the problem, but if female hypergamy were kept in check and the divorce laws were fixed then porn would be a nonissue.
What is the women problem? Women bad? Okay imp. You can whine and complain but the truth is a small minority of men in history ever lived long enough to succeed in reproducing and continuing their family. This is no different.
If you want to hide in a hole wracking off to porn and crying about how hard it is to find a woman you're a loser. And when you die your entire family line ends with you. Imagine your male ancestors who fought wars and famine to have a family and you complain cause Stacy won't swipe on your tinder profile.
That falls under fixing divorce laws. You restore the wife's duty to put out and enforce it by allowing the husband to leave without having his life destroyed if she doesn't. I don't think that's how fault based divorce worked back when it was a thing, but the only way to fix the system is to start applying contract law to what's essentially a contract. Someone here suggested the abolishing family courts and having civil law courts handle family law, and it's such a good idea that I've been running with it ever since.
I didn't deny that porn feeds back into the problem, I just don't think it causes the problem in the first place. Most men are going to want to do things with a real woman, and that being unfeasible makes falling down the porn rabbit hole more likely.
You may discover, once you have a girlfriend that you would still watch porn and in time it will cause issues for you.
I'm not saying you should not watch it or that you specifically can't handle it but porn is not without consequence, you can't push that dopamine button every day, multiple times a day and expect not to affect you.
I gave up porn a while ago and it has been for the best.
I'm not advocating for any ban on porn, just that people need to be aware is not without cost.
I'm a property owner now and I'm working hard on my business, I'm not going to let some bipolar slut come along and ruin all of that just to satisfy myself.
And there it is. based on the sentence, I would guess that your romantic needs feel satisfied enough that you don't feel the need to pursue women. Porn artificially induces this. With that part of your instincts satisfied, you are free to pursue other things.
Let me clarify: this is not a bad thing, but it is a thing.
Exactly. Porn scratches that itch and pushes men back into a hole of lifelessness and apathy. It's no surprise that coomers are among the most nihilistic depressed people because they watch porn all day and it warps their perception of women entirely and drains them of any motivation to actually have a family.
but they're likely the sort to have personal addiction problems anyway.
Can we dispense with this? Addiction of every sort basically hijacks the same neuro-chemical pathways so it's not "an addictive personality" or whatever bullshit. It's that you got addicted and people relapsing into the same addiction as before but just using a different substance to trigger the same pathways as always.
Now mix in the fact that smart phones, the internet and social media have all basically primed every single member of society to be an addict of some sort and you start to get an idea of just how deep this problem goes.
Let's be real, porn isn't helping the situation, but even if you abolish all pornography tomorrow you still have to address the root problem which is that getting involved with a woman is legally a catastrophic proposition.
If porn was banned tomorrow, I would use my imagination like I did when I was 12 years old.
Porn literally has 0 impact.
porn is an easy way to blame men for women and SIMPs bad behavior
Right, so why are you not using your imagination then? I mean, it's so much easier to just close your eyes and think of literally anything you please, yet you'll still consume porn for some reason, weird isn't it?
Porn is the worst thing you can do to yourself as a white man, and by consuming it you're playing right into their trap, someone here recently posted a very useful piece on it.
Problem with right wingers attacking porn is that they are for one, not racially conscious as white people, which itself shows all the time considering CONservatives eat up the ''based minority'' grift every fucking time, and for two, attack porn for the wrong reasons, usually trying to guilt trip you with bullshit such as how the women are victims in porn, they're forced into it, trafficking victims, they do it for the money etc. instead of telling you that it's bad for you, the man consuming that filth.
I'm aware of the ramifications of certain types of porn on ones psyche. I try to avoid a lot of western porn for that. The women are too masculine not to mention the diversity and inclusion trap. Asian porn tends to be produced with much less of western degeneracy. The mainstream porn companies might as well be an arm of the CIA from their psychological manipulation department. I get that. But if that's the argument against porn then we also need to ban most advertisements, social media, public education, etc...
Imagining isn't as fulfilling as experiencing it, or actually hearing it
It's way more complicated that that. The effect of porn on relationships isn't one way. While use of porn can help men to obtain sexual satisfaction without being in a relationship, it also feeds the male sex drive which makes more men likely to want to get in a relationship.
This is the reason why feminists have such a inconsistent and unpredictable attitude towards porn. On the one hand it reduces the reliance of men on women, reducing their power, but on the other hand it can increase female sexual power. So their are all sorts of different feminist factions in relation to porn, which generally relates to what benefits they are getting out of the effect of porn on men.
The gynocentric nature of Western society is partly caused by the effect of constant exposure of males to a very softcore form of porn - the highly revealing clothing worn by many females, and sexualised female bodies displayed all over the media. This feeds the male sex drive, making men and boys more dependent on women and more gynocentric due to the halo effect from sexual attraction.
I'm surprised how few men seem to understand this. Most men should be able to see it in themselves if they were properly able to use stoic or mindfulness techniques to assess their feelings about women.
Any right thinking man, if he truly wanted to be free of women and relationships, would do well to stay away from both women and porn for his own good.
financially, mentally, and legally.
if you get involved with a progressive, western woman. there are other women in the world.
All women have access to the same tools to ruin you and have the same financial and social incentive to do so.
It's the only way to continue your species and your family. When in history have men being given everything for free? You've always had to fight. You're just too soft now and prefer to whine about the courts instead of overcoming the current hardships.
If I were to rape the women I wanted, I'd end in prison and she'd abort the child I impregnated her with. That's not going to help my line. There are no solutions for men in modernity except to bring down the whole system. Death without continuing your line is better than being a slave to women.
If you're white you have a very high chance of attracting a woman barring being disfigured or super short. I'm average in most ways and I have a happy family.
Don't rape a woman lol. Just find a good one that has a dad and put in effort.
I would argue that one of the current hardships is the court system, hence the discussion of the need to overcome it.
I agree. Let's discuss. Not give up and whack it to porn and be losers.
Who the hell says to date single moms?
Single moms.
Not exactly "right-wingers"
Is your spellcheck always complaining to you too? Because I have no idea how to type that symbol on the keyboard, but the "English (United States)" dictionary assures me that I'm wrong and it is necessary.
That's called an Umlaut.
It's not an umlaut in French. I forget what it's called but not that.
Tréma, which has its own accent because fuck you, too! 🥖
Or just use the ascii code. For a lower-case i with an umlaut, hold down alt and type 139
Just use spellcheck to type it for you. Or I guess you can add the English spelling without accent. It's correct either way.
I do the same thing for all kinds of accents. I don't even have my computer setup to type them; it's just autocorrect.
You can type it via an alt code, though I don't know the code offhand, fairly easy to pull up a table of them for various accent marks via search though.
Ï is easy with a phone keyboard. Hold the letter I and choose.
You're still mad about me wanting to ban porn? Let's do a little thinking here lethn, see me, not on porn anymore, happy relationship and just had my first child. You, on porn, whining about women, and not having a family.
I wish all my bros the best. Don't get caught in a porn trap. It is not your friend. It is a crutch and an addiction.
Edit: guess so lol downvotes
You're 33, never had a gf, and love porn? you're encouraging young men to follow in your footsteps? If this is who you want to emulate, guys, go ahead. If you think following someone who's given up and wants to feel sorry for themselves and keep beating their meat to porn whores you'll end up just like this.
I don't blame you for being upset with modern women, but I do blame you for staying weak and encouraging other men to stay weak with you. Crab in a bucket mentality. You hide behind figures to justify not putting yourself out there. Yes women can be toxic and dangerous. But the answer to some foods being poison isn't to not eat at all.
Mgtow/incels usually have high standards from sitting around jerking to porn stars who are usually way hotter than most human women. So when you meet a woman who's on your level you don't find her attractive. You're in the worldwide economic 1-2% and probably taller than most men worldwide and instead you focus on the cohort of hotties you can't get and use that to say you have no options.
Get over yourself and get out there.
what if I told you it was both. that porn addiction demotivates young men from pursuing relationships, while at the same time the law makes any kind of relationship a massive liability.
Porn is a symptom of the problem. That's not to say that it doesn't feed back into the problem, but if female hypergamy were kept in check and the divorce laws were fixed then porn would be a nonissue.
The dailywire is the worst of the lot when it comes to that
What is the women problem? Women bad? Okay imp. You can whine and complain but the truth is a small minority of men in history ever lived long enough to succeed in reproducing and continuing their family. This is no different.
If you want to hide in a hole wracking off to porn and crying about how hard it is to find a woman you're a loser. And when you die your entire family line ends with you. Imagine your male ancestors who fought wars and famine to have a family and you complain cause Stacy won't swipe on your tinder profile.
Cuz married men never wack it?
That falls under fixing divorce laws. You restore the wife's duty to put out and enforce it by allowing the husband to leave without having his life destroyed if she doesn't. I don't think that's how fault based divorce worked back when it was a thing, but the only way to fix the system is to start applying contract law to what's essentially a contract. Someone here suggested the abolishing family courts and having civil law courts handle family law, and it's such a good idea that I've been running with it ever since.
No, it would still be an issue. The average age someone views porn is around 10. No one knows WTF hypergamy is at that age.
Porn doesn't affect the brain negatively? Despite countless studies showing that? Porn addict copers here.
I didn't deny that porn feeds back into the problem, I just don't think it causes the problem in the first place. Most men are going to want to do things with a real woman, and that being unfeasible makes falling down the porn rabbit hole more likely.
You may discover, once you have a girlfriend that you would still watch porn and in time it will cause issues for you.
I'm not saying you should not watch it or that you specifically can't handle it but porn is not without consequence, you can't push that dopamine button every day, multiple times a day and expect not to affect you.
I gave up porn a while ago and it has been for the best.
I'm not advocating for any ban on porn, just that people need to be aware is not without cost.
And there it is. based on the sentence, I would guess that your romantic needs feel satisfied enough that you don't feel the need to pursue women. Porn artificially induces this. With that part of your instincts satisfied, you are free to pursue other things.
Let me clarify: this is not a bad thing, but it is a thing.
Exactly. Porn scratches that itch and pushes men back into a hole of lifelessness and apathy. It's no surprise that coomers are among the most nihilistic depressed people because they watch porn all day and it warps their perception of women entirely and drains them of any motivation to actually have a family.
Can we dispense with this? Addiction of every sort basically hijacks the same neuro-chemical pathways so it's not "an addictive personality" or whatever bullshit. It's that you got addicted and people relapsing into the same addiction as before but just using a different substance to trigger the same pathways as always.
Now mix in the fact that smart phones, the internet and social media have all basically primed every single member of society to be an addict of some sort and you start to get an idea of just how deep this problem goes.
Are you going to tell me that nicotine patches cause smoking?
I genuinely am having trouble seeing how this metaphor applies?
To be more specific, your example is correlation not causation. The classical logical fallacy of Non Sequitur: It does not follow.
Do men use porn and then not pursue relationships? Or do men not pursue relationships and then use porn?
Would you be more comfortable with the example: "Wet streets cause rain"?