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[Land of the free] Judge rules you can be jailed for 18 months for failure to decrypt. a hard drive (after 4 years in prison) (arstechnica.com)
posted 2 years ago by BidenIsAGroomer 2 years ago by BidenIsAGroomer +76 / -0
Man who refused to decrypt hard drives is free after four years in jail
Court holds that jail time to force decryption can't last more than 18 months.
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– cccpneveragain 63 points 2 years ago +63 / -0

Contempt of court is such a BS charge and should only apply to disruption of courtroom proceedings. A judge shouldn't even be allowed to rule on this, what do you think they are going to do, limit their own power?

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– TerpenoidTester 30 points 2 years ago +30 / -0

what do you think they are going to do, limit their own power?

We've reached the same problem with congress, POTUS, the DOJ...None of them have checks and balances anymore.

It will get worse quickly as they realize just how untouchable they truly are.

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– FuckGenderPolitics 42 points 2 years ago +42 / -0

Archive.

It's worth mentioning that this article was published by the site that employed kiddy diddler and GG opponent (but I repeat myself) Peter Bright until the day he was arrested.

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– deleted 24 points 2 years ago +24 / -0
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– troon_menace 24 points 2 years ago +24 / -0

I'll have you know he holds a doctorate in diddling, so it's Dr. Pizza to you

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– FuckGenderPolitics 9 points 2 years ago +9 / -0

That's the hands on training in gender studies programs.

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– 83671R18 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

From the sexual exploration room in Germany?

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– PooperSnooperPrime 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

There was at least one other GG opponent, member of the GameJournoPros cabal, Kyle Orton or something like that.

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– AntonioOfVenice 28 points 2 years ago +28 / -0

lol, it was a 2-1 ruling, and the third judge (appointed by Bush 1) wanted to put no limit at all on the jail time.

This guy seems to be a pedo. Yet as H.L. Mencken said, if you want to defend justice, the unfortunate fact is that most of the time you will be defending scoundrels. Because rest assured that they try things on pedos first, who have sympathy from no one except the deep state, and then move to dissidents.

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– FuckGenderPolitics 27 points 2 years ago +27 / -0

This guy seems to be a pedo

He's definitely a pedo. They already found CP on devices that they were able to access. But yeah, this is an awful precedent, and it sounds like it goes against previous 5th amendment jurisprudence that demanding passwords is self incrimination but biometric data is fair game (I don't know how they came up with that one).

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– Adamrises 25 points 2 years ago +25 / -0

In the interest of defending scoundrels, the evidence presented is a sister snitch claiming he openly showed her all of it (which doesn't mesh well against a guy smart enough to encrypt his shit on an external), and a handful of pictures "focusing" on the genitals of his niece. Which isn't CP and can simply be badly taken pictures among hundreds of shots unless you can prove the intent was pornographic.

Which they can't or else they already would have. The article makes it clear that they don't really have anything strong enough to make a case on, which is why they were so adamant about the drives.

Like, I'm sure he probably is a pedo based on all the smoke. But so far the only "damning" evidence is them telling us a bunch of clothed photos of a family member were totally uncouth bro just trust us. Which isn't enough for me to even say a court case was ready to be brought.

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– JustHereForTheSalmon 19 points 2 years ago +19 / -0

It's the typical MO. Heinous crime of indefensible nature exploited to violate rights of everyone else.

Of course the government has to be able to scan all your files, because CP!

Of course the government can force you to break your encryption, because CP!

Eventually it'll be:

Of course the government has to force manufacturers to embed serial number watermarks in your content, because CP!

Of course the government has to install video cameras in your house, because CP!

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– AntonioOfVenice 8 points 2 years ago +8 / -0

Don't printers already print a secret watermark, or is that an urban legend? It's not as if people are actually printing that garbage (I assume).

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– JustHereForTheSalmon 10 points 2 years ago +10 / -0

Color printers, yes. Still quite visible with a blacklight and a loupe. Black and white printers may have their own constellation embedded in the dithering but EFF is no longer a friend to computing freedom so they might just be keeping quiet about news on the subject in alliance with other leftist orgs.

I'm thinking of the sure-to-happen future where any file produced by your computer will be cryptographically signed with identification marks about the computer. Files lacking the signature will wind up being the odd ones out that won't load, or get flagged by applications that send files (or sites that host them).

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– AntonioOfVenice 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

All the more reason to support open source, because then there will be versions of the software out there preventing such cryptographic signings.

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– Nikola_S1 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

https://www.eff.org/issues/printers

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– WeedleTLiar 12 points 2 years ago +12 / -0

Yeah, how on Earth doesn't this violate the 5th ammendment?

Particularily if they haven't proved you were the one to encrypt the drive (randomware etc), unlocking it would show that you encrypted it and thus incriminate you for anything found on it.

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– AntonioOfVenice 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

The only reason I said 'seems to be' is because all the article contained was government claims. And while I have no reason to believe that they're lying in this case, I can't totally rule it out either.

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– Michalusmichalus 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

They don't usually ask for passwords these days. They seize the electronic and file warrants to use Cellebrite until they finally get a warrant approved.

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– TyCat999999 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0

Because rest assured that they try things on pedos first, who have sympathy from no one except the deep state, and then move to dissidents.

Absolutely nailed it. And too many people are like, “well, I don’t mind if they do it to THOSE people…”

I’m honestly super worried about how easily people accepted the idea of sex offender registries. I get the impetus behind that support, absolutely, but now the public is primed to support the next type of registry.

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– AntonioOfVenice 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

I do support sex offender registries - do see how European countries don't have them, even though they crack down more on political speech.

I think no fly lists are a more proximate reason. Sounds great, until you're put on one for no reason at all.

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– deleted 10 points 2 years ago +10 / -0
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– DefinitelyNotIGN 9 points 2 years ago +9 / -0

Well... I hate to say it, but I forget my work password after a two week vacation and sometimes need IT to reset it. I've forgotten my username at work when I had a month where I had access to a device that remembered it for me... And like 90% of that username is just my own name.

Four years in prison without using an encryption password? Shit, I'd have a 10% chance of remembering it, at best.

The guy in question in the story's a scumbag, but this sets a very poor precedent.

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– Vivs3rdSock 8 points 2 years ago +8 / -0

Well... I hate to say it, but I forget my work password after a two week vacation and sometimes need IT to reset it. I've forgotten my username at work when I had a month where I had access to a device that remembered it for me... And like 90% of that username is just my own name.

If my browser forgets my login details to this site I will need to make a new account, because not only do I not have any fucking clue what my password is, I don't even know what email I used when signing up.

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– deleted 9 points 2 years ago +9 / -0
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– DemolitionsPanda 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

More to the point, the encrypted drive was provided. If there is no record of the passphrase, then how can that document be provided?

The court is trying to compel testimony so that a case may be built.

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– when_we_win_remember 8 points 2 years ago +8 / -0

It's not encrypted data. It's random data.

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– AbleistSL 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0

Despite the fact the guy is an actual pedophile in this case, one concern this brings up is LOSING the password in the event the feds demand it.

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– DemolitionsPanda 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

Or never having the passphrase.

Imagine you didn't like a fag moderator of a subreddit because they held a vote and then pissed all over it.

You send an email from an anonymous, one use account in Finland. The body of the email reads something like: "As per your request, these photographs are even more explicit than before. Honestly, how much pineapple can you demand on your pizza? Passphrase is the same as last time."

As an attachment you include a large file of random data.

This file can not be decrypted, but it is indistinguishable from a high security encryption method.

One anonymous tip later, the file will be seized and the faggot mod will be asked for the passphrase. Either they deliver it or they go to prison.

This tactic works on anyone you don't like.

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– subbookkeeper 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

So a bag of crack to incriminate someone will just be replaced with an planted encrypted hard drive.

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– MegoThor 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

What if I have the FBI lose it for me?

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– alucard13mmfmj 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

so if we destroy our harddrives like hillary, we cool? heheehehe

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– Michalusmichalus 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

This is why security protocols are to have blank devices for all traveling. Companies also use encryption that the person with the device don't have access to. If they don't get to the destination without the device being unmolested by any agency, they don't send the credentials, they send a new device.

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