The sheer spite involved is hilarious. By accounts, they didn't just kill him off, they had him captured by diversities, tried and called an alt right extremist, resurrected his wife to denounce and divorce him(remember, her dying is why he became a vigilante to begin with) and then had him kill himself.
Leftists have always hated The Punisher. I remember Joss Whedon had a huge bug up hiss ass about how Frank Castle never accidentally killed any civilians, he said it was NRA fascist bullshit. I guess Iron Man shooting lasers and missiles or Cyclops blasting buildings apart with his eyes and never causing any collateral damage is perfectly acceptable, but a trained soldier who carefully prepares and picks his targets with military precision is a bridge too far.
It’s doubly hilarious because the Black and Hispanic people Marvel desperately wants to court all love The Punisher.
Oh it's not verisimilitude that they're complaining about. Or rather, not in that way. As one of the other comments said, leftists hate the Punisher because in real life he'd be throwing them out of helicopters.
Their beliefs are an evil lie, in which they depend on compliant media to constantly soothe their cognitive dissonance.
The Punisher rebukes this. It's a piece of media that reminds them that in a just world they would be executed and regular people would cheer.
The artist John Jomita jr once said in an interview how much he was keen on working with writer Chuck Dixon on the Punisher because Frank Castle is the only Marvel hero of Italian American descent. He was kinda wrong, because he forgot about Nick Fury, but nevertheless both of these characters are now, effectively, dead. Marvel has a whole bunch of Irish/Scotish, Hindu, Jewish, black and/or whatever protagonists, but the Italians are only fit to be in the Maggia. Marvel has NEVER catered to their actual reading audience. It's always been activist propaganda from some of the biggest losers the west has seen.
Following Hydra's sudden takeover of the United States of America under the leadership of an evil doppelganger of Captain America, Blue Shield joined the Underground, a contingent of America's remaining super heroes that fought against the new regime. Under the assumption that Captain America could have been mind-controlled, the Underground raided Doctor Faustus' institute. The mission failed, and among the assault's one hundred and sixteen casualties was Blue Shield.
Hm, interesting. There's a character called Blue Shield in the City of Heroes game and that had to change a character previously named Bastion to Citadel due to Marvel complaining about copyright.
The artist John Jomita jr once said in an interview how much he was keen on working with writer Chuck Dixon on the Punisher because Frank Castle is the only Marvel hero of Italian American descent. He was kinda wrong, because he forgot about Nick Fury
Was about to say that MCU Nick Fury was a special case--when Marvel launched the Ultimate line of comics, they approached Jackson for the rights to use his likeness, and he agreed, on the condition that from that point forward, he would have exclusive rights to portray the character in movies.
In other words, he bet on himself, and hit the jackpot.
they approached Jackson for the rights to use his likeness
No they didn't, which was the original problem. SLJ had Marvel over a barrel for using his likeness without originally asking so getting the MCU role was both easy for him and probably one of the few ways Marvel could get out of it without being sued.
Punisher War Zone is peak character though. I had one comic as a kid where he's just sniping drug dealers in central park. "Two to the head, two to the heart. Keeps things interesting." Then he ignites their stash and money bags with incendiary rounds. One guy tries to run and Punisher pops out from behind a tree and breaks his neck with a clothesline. Totally badass shit, that will never appear on comic pages again.
Dude the X-men brought back Thunderbird. Freaking Thunderbird. Crap hole writers that the major companies use today are why the industry is falling. Guy's death was in the 70s and a driving force behind several other characters trying to do better so let's bring him back for a shock and forget about him again.
They've also recently killed off Kamala Khan/Ms Marvel like last week in Amazing Spider-Man #26 and it's been fucking hilarious watching the meltdown and fallout because nobody cares about her enough to warrant including her in ASM in the first place.
The whole thing is just being done so she can be resurrected as a mutant to match the upcoming MCU show 'The Marvels' which is establishing her as a mutant rather than Inhuman because of how utterly disastrous that show turned out.
Because killing Pepe in his comics instantly tanked his popularity and stopped the Right from using him.
They, as always, can't understand most people who consume media (especially fucking comics) hold canon with a "eh" status to be disregarded as needed. Nothing you do to these characters will change the idea people have of them in their head, and putting them through the ringer will only lionize people to look at them as a martyr.
Because anyone who loves the Punisher is also absolutely the type to complain about the woke faggots ruining their comics and use this as an example.
He's one of those writers, the ones whose mere name evokes dread from the readers that actually pay attention to the names involved so know how horrible a comic is going to be before even seeing a page.
Other such names that also includes artists are,
Bendis. Enough said. I may import my old Civil War 2 rant from Reddit now that I no longer visit so I can preserve the effort it took to sort. Might need to rehost the images though at this point.
Waid. Had good works before, woke pandering now.
Cates. His 2021 Hulk run is... something. The fact it follows immediately after Ewing's 2018 Immortal Hulk is somewhat of a double whammy highlighting just how terrible Cates' story is. Immortal Hulk was disturbing yet praised throughout. Anyone following on from that successful a story would have had their work cut out for them but Cates just didn't even try to bother.
Phil Noto, artist. Had a thing for drawing every face the same which gets unsettling very quickly despite it working for the stories he's involved in that include withe Emma Frost and the Cuckoos since they are all cloned from Emma, or the clusterfucks of any story invoking both Jean Grey and Madelyne Pryor. Then again the Cuckoos seem to have been designed like Village of the Damned children in the first place so the unsettling feeling could be a feature and not a bug.
Greg Land, "artist". Artist might be pushing things. There are jokes Land scans real faces for his "work" and that it probably includes porn given many of the faces involved. Issue is it really might not be a joke because it's that probable.
Tina Howard. Is currently on her third attempt at telling her Betsy Braddock/Captain Britain comic after both Excalibur and Knights of X were cancelled in very short order. Could be described as falling upwards but seeing as how she's still trying to tell the same story it's more falling sideways.
Leah Williams. Bit of an oddity as she's done some good work, mostly Elseworld/What If? type works, however which could mean she's no good at working within established lore limits. Her two Doctor Strange stories were good, as was her recent X-Factor. However as mentioned the Doctor Strange stories were non canon and X-Factor was cancelled in the end so the second Trial of Magneto story could happen since a murder mystery was exactly what the new X-Factor team would deal with.
Pity Trial of Magneto turned out to not only be a complete red herring but also a total waste of time for all involved meaning X-Factor was stopped for nothing.
There are many others out there but I mostly only read X-Men comics atm, just not the ones written by Leah Williams 🙄, and the aforementioned names are have had ties to the series as a whole at some time or another.
Greg Land doing the art for the final issue of the original Uncanny X-Men 1963 run is still a crime against humanity.
Edit: Add Zeb Wells to be list as his current and ongoing Amazing Spider-Man run might just go down in comic history as one of the worst ever written.
It's really amazing that they hate us so much they will punish a fictional character by proxy.
e: I mean, shit, they use lawfare and exploit his one mistake, marrying (may Allah forgive me for uttering this word) a woman, to legally destroy him; was this written by Imp?
Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.
This is Marvel eating their own gun rather than taking just a knife to their face.
There are a lot of comics doing really fucking stupid things right now at Marvel and I'm not talking things that are likely politically motivated as this ending with the Punisher may be. Wait, that's incorrect. As this ending with the Punisher is. Because Jason Aaron couldn't help but include a full page in the very comic where he spergs about his feelings and how it affected his decisions with the story literally including the following,
Since the character's [Castle] first appearance in 1973, the ideas and symbols of The Punisher have come to mean many things to many different people.
Some of those I agree with. Some I very much don't.
How fucking arrogant does someone have to be to include that in the actual fucking comic?
In addition to this dumpster fire that has pissed off a large number of long term Frank Castle readers there is the stupidity of the ongoing Amazing Spider-Man run written by Zeb Wells. Wells who has the reverse Midas touch of turning gold into shit and somehow keeps getting work on Spider-Man related comics.
ASM #25 finally explained wtf had happened for so many characters to dislike Peter at the start of the run and the answer is: fuck all.
ASM #26 then followed up and is being talked about as being one of the worst Spider-Man stories ever, alongside One More Day which is 99.999% hated.
Then there is the coming Fall of X event that will likely return the X-Men and mutants to being near extinct underdogs after several years of actually catching a break and even founding their own nation. Hickman, as usual, set up an incredibly interesting new story for the X-Men like he did during his run writing The Avengers, however due to management disagreements ended up walking away from the current X-Men project because Marvel wanted to milk the setting in their own way. The excitement from readers for the current X-Men setting hasn't been seen for years but Marvel are determined to fuck over numerous comics in order to force MCU themes into every story.
I feel like it's a broad tradition for spider man reboots to start with "everyone hates Parker for some secret reason... oh wait they just hate him for no reason at all!"
It's a shame how far Marvel has fallen. I was never a comic fanatic, but back in the day I enjoyed the early Spiderman, Fantastic Four, Punisher, and such. Punisher stood out because it was so different in tone; a grim vigilante who kills people. Of course they want to ruin anything interesting or unique.
"This character is actually popular with some demographic! Quickly, kill it! Kill it! We can't have any popular characters!" -Marvels' marketing team, presumably.
The sheer spite involved is hilarious. By accounts, they didn't just kill him off, they had him captured by diversities, tried and called an alt right extremist, resurrected his wife to denounce and divorce him(remember, her dying is why he became a vigilante to begin with) and then had him kill himself.
Leftists have always hated The Punisher. I remember Joss Whedon had a huge bug up hiss ass about how Frank Castle never accidentally killed any civilians, he said it was NRA fascist bullshit. I guess Iron Man shooting lasers and missiles or Cyclops blasting buildings apart with his eyes and never causing any collateral damage is perfectly acceptable, but a trained soldier who carefully prepares and picks his targets with military precision is a bridge too far.
It’s doubly hilarious because the Black and Hispanic people Marvel desperately wants to court all love The Punisher.
Oh it's not verisimilitude that they're complaining about. Or rather, not in that way. As one of the other comments said, leftists hate the Punisher because in real life he'd be throwing them out of helicopters.
Their beliefs are an evil lie, in which they depend on compliant media to constantly soothe their cognitive dissonance.
The Punisher rebukes this. It's a piece of media that reminds them that in a just world they would be executed and regular people would cheer.
Who then shot him with his own gun. More than once. Which is possibly the only weapon that exists which can hurt him right now due to plot.
The artist John Jomita jr once said in an interview how much he was keen on working with writer Chuck Dixon on the Punisher because Frank Castle is the only Marvel hero of Italian American descent. He was kinda wrong, because he forgot about Nick Fury, but nevertheless both of these characters are now, effectively, dead. Marvel has a whole bunch of Irish/Scotish, Hindu, Jewish, black and/or whatever protagonists, but the Italians are only fit to be in the Maggia. Marvel has NEVER catered to their actual reading audience. It's always been activist propaganda from some of the biggest losers the west has seen.
From the Fandom wiki:
RIP Joey.
Hm, interesting. There's a character called Blue Shield in the City of Heroes game and that had to change a character previously named Bastion to Citadel due to Marvel complaining about copyright.
That explains Samual L. Jackson as Nick Fury...
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jk lol.
Was about to say that MCU Nick Fury was a special case--when Marvel launched the Ultimate line of comics, they approached Jackson for the rights to use his likeness, and he agreed, on the condition that from that point forward, he would have exclusive rights to portray the character in movies.
In other words, he bet on himself, and hit the jackpot.
No they didn't, which was the original problem. SLJ had Marvel over a barrel for using his likeness without originally asking so getting the MCU role was both easy for him and probably one of the few ways Marvel could get out of it without being sued.
Huh. Well then.
Hasn’t The Punisher died and come back like three times already?
He's been turned into an angel at one point. People don't know how to write him, so they go insane.
Also Frankencastle, equally batshit.
Punisher War Zone is peak character though. I had one comic as a kid where he's just sniping drug dealers in central park. "Two to the head, two to the heart. Keeps things interesting." Then he ignites their stash and money bags with incendiary rounds. One guy tries to run and Punisher pops out from behind a tree and breaks his neck with a clothesline. Totally badass shit, that will never appear on comic pages again.
That would be fun to read.
Dude the X-men brought back Thunderbird. Freaking Thunderbird. Crap hole writers that the major companies use today are why the industry is falling. Guy's death was in the 70s and a driving force behind several other characters trying to do better so let's bring him back for a shock and forget about him again.
So the gangs and mafia win? Because I dont see the diversity people stopping open gang warfare.
just send in the social workers
They've also recently killed off Kamala Khan/Ms Marvel like last week in Amazing Spider-Man #26 and it's been fucking hilarious watching the meltdown and fallout because nobody cares about her enough to warrant including her in ASM in the first place.
The whole thing is just being done so she can be resurrected as a mutant to match the upcoming MCU show 'The Marvels' which is establishing her as a mutant rather than Inhuman because of how utterly disastrous that show turned out.
Because killing Pepe in his comics instantly tanked his popularity and stopped the Right from using him.
They, as always, can't understand most people who consume media (especially fucking comics) hold canon with a "eh" status to be disregarded as needed. Nothing you do to these characters will change the idea people have of them in their head, and putting them through the ringer will only lionize people to look at them as a martyr.
Because anyone who loves the Punisher is also absolutely the type to complain about the woke faggots ruining their comics and use this as an example.
/checks writer
Yeah, that'll do it.
He's one of those writers, the ones whose mere name evokes dread from the readers that actually pay attention to the names involved so know how horrible a comic is going to be before even seeing a page.
Other such names that also includes artists are,
Bendis. Enough said. I may import my old Civil War 2 rant from Reddit now that I no longer visit so I can preserve the effort it took to sort. Might need to rehost the images though at this point.
Waid. Had good works before, woke pandering now.
Cates. His 2021 Hulk run is... something. The fact it follows immediately after Ewing's 2018 Immortal Hulk is somewhat of a double whammy highlighting just how terrible Cates' story is. Immortal Hulk was disturbing yet praised throughout. Anyone following on from that successful a story would have had their work cut out for them but Cates just didn't even try to bother.
Phil Noto, artist. Had a thing for drawing every face the same which gets unsettling very quickly despite it working for the stories he's involved in that include withe Emma Frost and the Cuckoos since they are all cloned from Emma, or the clusterfucks of any story invoking both Jean Grey and Madelyne Pryor. Then again the Cuckoos seem to have been designed like Village of the Damned children in the first place so the unsettling feeling could be a feature and not a bug.
Greg Land, "artist". Artist might be pushing things. There are jokes Land scans real faces for his "work" and that it probably includes porn given many of the faces involved. Issue is it really might not be a joke because it's that probable.
Tina Howard. Is currently on her third attempt at telling her Betsy Braddock/Captain Britain comic after both Excalibur and Knights of X were cancelled in very short order. Could be described as falling upwards but seeing as how she's still trying to tell the same story it's more falling sideways.
Leah Williams. Bit of an oddity as she's done some good work, mostly Elseworld/What If? type works, however which could mean she's no good at working within established lore limits. Her two Doctor Strange stories were good, as was her recent X-Factor. However as mentioned the Doctor Strange stories were non canon and X-Factor was cancelled in the end so the second Trial of Magneto story could happen since a murder mystery was exactly what the new X-Factor team would deal with. Pity Trial of Magneto turned out to not only be a complete red herring but also a total waste of time for all involved meaning X-Factor was stopped for nothing.
There are many others out there but I mostly only read X-Men comics atm, just not the ones written by Leah Williams 🙄, and the aforementioned names are have had ties to the series as a whole at some time or another. Greg Land doing the art for the final issue of the original Uncanny X-Men 1963 run is still a crime against humanity.
Edit: Add Zeb Wells to be list as his current and ongoing Amazing Spider-Man run might just go down in comic history as one of the worst ever written.
It's really amazing that they hate us so much they will punish a fictional character by proxy.
e: I mean, shit, they use lawfare and exploit his one mistake, marrying (may Allah forgive me for uttering this word) a woman, to legally destroy him; was this written by Imp?
Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Do you think if we all love Marvel comic characters a bit more, that they'll kill off all the characters and push themselves out of jobs?
This is Marvel eating their own gun rather than taking just a knife to their face.
There are a lot of comics doing really fucking stupid things right now at Marvel and I'm not talking things that are likely politically motivated as this ending with the Punisher may be. Wait, that's incorrect. As this ending with the Punisher is. Because Jason Aaron couldn't help but include a full page in the very comic where he spergs about his feelings and how it affected his decisions with the story literally including the following,
How fucking arrogant does someone have to be to include that in the actual fucking comic?
In addition to this dumpster fire that has pissed off a large number of long term Frank Castle readers there is the stupidity of the ongoing Amazing Spider-Man run written by Zeb Wells. Wells who has the reverse Midas touch of turning gold into shit and somehow keeps getting work on Spider-Man related comics. ASM #25 finally explained wtf had happened for so many characters to dislike Peter at the start of the run and the answer is: fuck all. ASM #26 then followed up and is being talked about as being one of the worst Spider-Man stories ever, alongside One More Day which is 99.999% hated.
Then there is the coming Fall of X event that will likely return the X-Men and mutants to being near extinct underdogs after several years of actually catching a break and even founding their own nation. Hickman, as usual, set up an incredibly interesting new story for the X-Men like he did during his run writing The Avengers, however due to management disagreements ended up walking away from the current X-Men project because Marvel wanted to milk the setting in their own way. The excitement from readers for the current X-Men setting hasn't been seen for years but Marvel are determined to fuck over numerous comics in order to force MCU themes into every story.
The more I hear about Marvel, the more I'm glad I dropped them in '99.
How the fuck did they outdo OMD.
I feel like it's a broad tradition for spider man reboots to start with "everyone hates Parker for some secret reason... oh wait they just hate him for no reason at all!"
Even Ultimate Spider-Man v2 did that lol
Never mind I just read it. It's appalling.
It's a shame how far Marvel has fallen. I was never a comic fanatic, but back in the day I enjoyed the early Spiderman, Fantastic Four, Punisher, and such. Punisher stood out because it was so different in tone; a grim vigilante who kills people. Of course they want to ruin anything interesting or unique.
they will reboot the character soon, disney+ is already producing a new punisher series with John Bernthal.
"This character is actually popular with some demographic! Quickly, kill it! Kill it! We can't have any popular characters!" -Marvels' marketing team, presumably.