He lost me at "we're in Ukraine for the right reasons".
Am I the only one that remembers that the US supported a coup in 2014 against the pro-Russia Ukrainian government? Where was the brutalization then? And then the US-backed government shelled ethnic Russian areas in the East? And then those regions seceeded; asking Russia for help? And then Russia stepped in to protect them? How are we the "good guys" in this scenario?
Now, I'm not so naive as to think Russia isn't playing the same dirty games, but unless we want to go so deep into the skullduggery where no one is "good" (and the question reverts to "why are we here?") then the US is basically pulling a Cuban Missle Crisis with the roles reversed.
I'll also point out that, while we're degrading the Russian army with a prolonged war, they're doing the exact same thing back at us, and we're (apparently) in the middle of a debt crisis while their currency is up 70% since the start of the war.
the US is basically pulling a Cuban Missle Crisis with the roles reversed
The Cuban missile crisis was precipitated by the US placing intermediate range nuclear missiles in Turkey. The Russian move to do the same in Cuba was spun as an escalation when it was really a tit for tat.
Part of the deal ending the matter was the US agreeing to quietly remove the missiles from Turkey a few months later.
In that sense, Ukraine is eerily similar. We've been fucking around there for a decade taking ever more provocative actions, and every time Russia escalates in response we put on the surprised Pikachu face and act like it was for no reason at all other than they're just evil.
It's also eerily similar that before the Cuban missile crisis there was the Cuban Revolution which only happened because Cuba was totally being fucked over by the US and was being used as America's playground.
Ukraine is the same situation, how many Democrats and Republicans had their hand in that cookie jar? I mean christ the President of the United States put his fuck up son on a energy board there. Just like Cuba we're risking a nuclear war because a few senators and other politician's wallets went lighter.
Am I the only one that remembers that the US supported a coup in 2014 against the pro-Russia Ukrainian government?
You are not. It's only been eight years, and it's frustrating to see people on the right be useful idiots for the Democrat State Department when they should know better.
Yeah, the important question is who RFK wants to win the Russia/Ukraine war. Because that's a thing that smart, reasonable people spend a lot of time thinking about.
Yeah Russia was always gonna win this war. I mean it does seem the Ukies want to drag in the US and NATO especially with stupid shit like today drone striking Moscow but if we do manage to stay out this, this war was only ever gonna go one way.
NATO had a closed doors meeting and announced it was 100% Ukraine and Zelensky and co cried for days "It was Russia!" even when every piece of evidence said otherwise.
Although I sadly think Nato will eventually be dragged in. There is no off ramp to this conflict and it escalates every week. I mean could you ever imagine seeing the headline "Moscow hit by drone attack" or "The Kremlin hit by drone" by a Nato backed country in your lifetime?
I certainly didn't :/
It's not even about that. Even if Zelensky wakes up from his cocaine-induced stupor, teleports behind PutZZler and goes "nothing personnel kid" before beheading him with a katana and officially conquering Russia, Ukraine - or rather, the Ukrainians - will still lose. There's nothing for them to gain, all they'll get is assfucking taught to their small children and robbed of their country's natural resources by globohomo corps. Zelensky and his cronies will add a couple more billion to their overseas accounts and that'll be the entirety of their "glorious victory".
He lost me at "we're in Ukraine for the right reasons".
Am I the only one that remembers that the US supported a coup in 2014 against the pro-Russia Ukrainian government? Where was the brutalization then? And then the US-backed government shelled ethnic Russian areas in the East? And then those regions seceeded; asking Russia for help? And then Russia stepped in to protect them? How are we the "good guys" in this scenario?
Now, I'm not so naive as to think Russia isn't playing the same dirty games, but unless we want to go so deep into the skullduggery where no one is "good" (and the question reverts to "why are we here?") then the US is basically pulling a Cuban Missle Crisis with the roles reversed.
I'll also point out that, while we're degrading the Russian army with a prolonged war, they're doing the exact same thing back at us, and we're (apparently) in the middle of a debt crisis while their currency is up 70% since the start of the war.
The Cuban missile crisis was precipitated by the US placing intermediate range nuclear missiles in Turkey. The Russian move to do the same in Cuba was spun as an escalation when it was really a tit for tat.
Part of the deal ending the matter was the US agreeing to quietly remove the missiles from Turkey a few months later.
In that sense, Ukraine is eerily similar. We've been fucking around there for a decade taking ever more provocative actions, and every time Russia escalates in response we put on the surprised Pikachu face and act like it was for no reason at all other than they're just evil.
It's also eerily similar that before the Cuban missile crisis there was the Cuban Revolution which only happened because Cuba was totally being fucked over by the US and was being used as America's playground.
Ukraine is the same situation, how many Democrats and Republicans had their hand in that cookie jar? I mean christ the President of the United States put his fuck up son on a energy board there. Just like Cuba we're risking a nuclear war because a few senators and other politician's wallets went lighter.
You are not. It's only been eight years, and it's frustrating to see people on the right be useful idiots for the Democrat State Department when they should know better.
People said “the Ukraine” more than they said “Ukraine” before February of 2022. Just like no one ever said “Keeeev” before then.
My family ALWAYS ate Chicken KEEV on holidays. I'm sorry you were raised by bigots.
What’s that all about, anyway?
The United States. The United Kingdom. The Netherlands. The Bahamas.
Plenty of exceptions. NPCs just get a boner from arbitrarily changing the rules and then yelling at you for not following them.
Thanks.
He's the best option of the Democrats and a better option of any establishment backed Republicans
Watch him get railroaded and denied any chance at debate.
That sounds too sane. Must be a Nazi adjacent Putin sympathizer.
Yeah, the important question is who RFK wants to win the Russia/Ukraine war. Because that's a thing that smart, reasonable people spend a lot of time thinking about.
Spoiler alert - Ukraine is going to lose the Russian speaking regions.
This was obvious from the first day of the war.
Yeah Russia was always gonna win this war. I mean it does seem the Ukies want to drag in the US and NATO especially with stupid shit like today drone striking Moscow but if we do manage to stay out this, this war was only ever gonna go one way.
Zalensky and much of our media has been THIRSTING to get Nato/US dragged into this conflict he caused.
Remember when Ukraine launched missiles into poland and the AP tried to blame Russia? (“citing US officials”)
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
NATO had a closed doors meeting and announced it was 100% Ukraine and Zelensky and co cried for days "It was Russia!" even when every piece of evidence said otherwise.
Although I sadly think Nato will eventually be dragged in. There is no off ramp to this conflict and it escalates every week. I mean could you ever imagine seeing the headline "Moscow hit by drone attack" or "The Kremlin hit by drone" by a Nato backed country in your lifetime? I certainly didn't :/
It's not even about that. Even if Zelensky wakes up from his cocaine-induced stupor, teleports behind PutZZler and goes "nothing personnel kid" before beheading him with a katana and officially conquering Russia, Ukraine - or rather, the Ukrainians - will still lose. There's nothing for them to gain, all they'll get is assfucking taught to their small children and robbed of their country's natural resources by globohomo corps. Zelensky and his cronies will add a couple more billion to their overseas accounts and that'll be the entirety of their "glorious victory".
Dude, dangerously out of touch if srs. If it's just a platitude, or we're skipping over the traitors, fine.