These retards probably go to upper middle class schools in relatively wealthy areas and conclude that all schools are like that. Don't get me wrong, even schools like that have a list a mile long of things wrong with them, but you can tell none of these NPCs have any idea what the average school is even like.
And the ignorance and arrogance to imply that deciding to homeschool equates to deciding not to educate one's children. This is why it is borderline impossible to have a productive discussion with retards like this. I got quite a good education growing up in public schools despite their faults, and I'm still 100% confident I could provide a better, more effective education for my kids by myself. I'd have my kids doing calculus by 14. And as schools and society get shittier and shittier, I become more and more convinced as the years go by that that is exactly what I'll have to do.
You can imagine how much these retards piss me off being someone who's self-taught in two programming languages and partially learning a third
Yeah this made me think a bit and realistically, for me as well, the skills that have paid the most dividends for me in life are ones I taught myself on my own time. While going to school for chemistry and mathematics for years helped land me a nice career, I frequently tell people that there the 95+% of it is useless to me and that all the knowledge you need for my job could be taught in under a month.
Formal education institutions are disgustingly inefficient. I can forgive it to some extent through high school as most of the little shits don't even wanna be there, but in college there's no excuse not to have the highest of standards.
but in college there's no excuse not to have the highest of standards.
College used to be much harder. Then they figured out how much money they could make if they lowered their admission standards and jacked up tuition. Now it's basically high school that you pay the price of a house to attend.
And the ignorance and arrogance to imply that deciding to homeschool equates to deciding not to educate one's children.
The task of making a plan to teach the basic skills expected from primary education seems impossibly difficult to them, and they assume everyone who does it is even more inept than them because they're obviously intellectually superior to those crazy home schoolers. Teacher told them as much.
Libs were totally traumatised anywhere they go. Isn't that interesting? Or maybe they are just broken people who pretend everything is a trauma to them, meanwhile they were kinda crazy from the get go.
This is just the endpoint of the old repeated line "reality has a liberal bias." Where they think they own the truth and reality itself. That you cannot disengage the liberal parts (which the conservatives don't want) from the education parts.
So of course they think they literally own education, and they by not submitting your children to their Leftist stained version of schooling you are depriving them of all knowledge.
This is my bugbear. It's not just that parents are better teachers and can offer a more tailored approach, it's that the 'socialisation' 'benefits' of school are actually detriments. There is no benefit to public education. For thousands of years across all societies, kids socialized with their siblings and neighborhood kids, with the elder daughters looking after the youngest. When you became a man at 13 or so, you left the kid groups and were socialised with adults as an apprentice, you were taught to socialize in a meaningful way with responsible adults, trusted with more and more responsibilities, and earning respect. You learnt to behave responsibly from adult groups. This is how we are made to socialise and organise ourselves
The modern school is an aberration and completely disordered social group. Teenagers are not meant to spend all their time learning social skills from other teenagers who do not know how to behave, because they themselves are learning from other teenagers. GIGO. They are learning to 'socialise' in an artificial and inapplicable environment. Nothing they learn at school is applicable outside of it, it is not useful 'socialisation'. And even if it could be in theory, its public nature and lack of exclusion of negative influences means it is never so in practise
Separating the boys from men as rolemodels and teachers in smaller groups is one of the underappreciated blights on our society, and part of the reason we now have men-children till 30. Because they aren't starting the apprentices and learning under other adults till after 24. And male teachers is not the solution. It would help, but this is not what I mean. 1 man cannot teach 30 children how to behave. I'm talking apprentices with few boys amongst many men or the family group, learning to chat and behave responsible by working along side them and learning a trade, as we've always done, from tribal groups to anything pre 1900 or whatever.
I'm also just wary of anything with 'social' in the word. It has other meanings, far leftist ones. Whenever some leftist says they want your kid to be social...... something, be very afraid, suspicious, and know that it means something entirely different to what they want you to think it means.
I was homeschooled, and I'm fairly non-social, but everyone I do interact with says I'm super polite, kind, and at least sociable, even if I don't choose to socialize much. Also, even if I was a total mess, still beats being a normie or an NPC. One of the very best aspects of homeschooling is that you're actually taught to think, generally. And you can focus on things you like or that click, and learn at your own pace. I think I was doing bases and polynomials and the like in like second grade equivalent. If your teachers actually care about you, they'll make learning fun.
I think if I hadn't been brought up the way I had, I wouldn't have been able to make the switch from borderline commie (I was never one myself, but some friends were, and basically everyone in the area was some level of lib or progressive) to wherever I am now. Even as a lib, I was coming more from a libertarian angle, but I still think I might have been totally fucked if I hadn't been taught to actually think for myself. I've looked up some of my friends who went to public school; they're all some level of lefty activist, from what I could find. I even know some people who went trans, well before it was "cool."
There were pros and cons to my upbringing, certainly, but fact is I wouldn't be me without it. There were some things my parents could have done a lot better, sure, but overall I'd still take this than public school. And public school has only gotten worse since then, too. It's a nightmare.
I used to not necessarily be anti-homeschooling but shared these thoughts that they'd all end up social weirdoes. A handful of years ago a friend who was pro-homeschool, more of a un-schooler type, convinced me otherwise. If I really think about it, I was way more comfortable outside of school and school just beat me down socially.
Every homeschooler I've ever met has been in a different league. I've got a 7 year old girl in the family that is like the best kid I've ever met under 10 by far. She can have conversations with adults in complete sentences, picks out and orders her own food at restaurants, reads books that like would be typical for 7th graders. My 14 year old cousin is a little turd at times, but that's because we're close and he's a teenager. He doesn't really excel socially but he can manage, he's insanely independent and I'd totally trust him in a tough situation over a lot of people I know twice his age. A few early 20s that have good jobs and take care of themselves, that's rare it seems. I can't think of one that's worse off than the average raging leftist.
It depends quite heavily on the parents, in terms of what kind of results might be rendered. Not that I think the government deserves much involvement in the process there either, but it would be rather silly to assume that all parents are competent enough to provide a well rounded education.
And I'm not referring to their educational qualifications so much as how much time or effort they're even capable of devoting to that kind of an endeavor. Not that public schools today are a great option for anything resembling well rounded either.
Back in the day, of all the kids who went to private school, I thought they were emotionally or socially stunted because they were a bit to rigid in how they behaved themselves.
Nowadays, I think the reality is that we were all just degenerates and they shouldn't have been near us.
On Reddit I exchanged DMs with some guy for a time. He grew up being home schooled.
He explained to me the kinds of things he did as a kid, like they travelled, he did sports with local kids, they went to different hobby groups, his parents had friends with kids, so basically he socialised a lot.
Libs like to pretend that home schooling means your kids never meet any other children.
They're not using the word "Socialization" the way you are. Back in the Progressive Era, Socialize and Socialization and Socialism were all the same concept. Socializing children meant that the children should beSocialized, rather than learn hot to be social. The Left still doesn't think differently, but most people separated out the idea of "integrating an individual into a society" from "conditioning an individual into a socialist state".
This is one thing that Michael Malice is very right on. The public education system is so broken we spend most of our time trying to de-institutionalize our children out of it. Most people will experience the most regular amount of violence in public schools. We use "this isn't high school" as a pejorative; and the people who long for their high school days are clearly under-developed or stunted people (like Al Bundy).
Leftists love to make up somebody to get mad at and run off anybody who tries to explain reality to them or argue with them in any way by being unbearably obnoxious until you cede the discussion.
Exactly. My brother and sister in law homeschooled for quite a while and now they send them to Christian schools. I laugh at the criticism because there are plenty of “weirdos” public school produces and the indoctrination concerns aren’t unfounded
Weird flex or he's lying. Way more people have been homeschooled these days in America than ever before. Meeting a homeschooled person is not like finding a unicorn. It's not rare at all. If that's his impression it shows he's very socially stunted and doesn't get around much. (probably never leaves his blue city)
Anyone who complains about homeschooling, just BSOD them:
"You actually sent your kids to school in the middle of the COVID pandemic? You WANT to kill grandma!?! What kind of science-denying right wingnut are you?! Homeschool your damn kids!"
These retards probably go to upper middle class schools in relatively wealthy areas and conclude that all schools are like that. Don't get me wrong, even schools like that have a list a mile long of things wrong with them, but you can tell none of these NPCs have any idea what the average school is even like.
And the ignorance and arrogance to imply that deciding to homeschool equates to deciding not to educate one's children. This is why it is borderline impossible to have a productive discussion with retards like this. I got quite a good education growing up in public schools despite their faults, and I'm still 100% confident I could provide a better, more effective education for my kids by myself. I'd have my kids doing calculus by 14. And as schools and society get shittier and shittier, I become more and more convinced as the years go by that that is exactly what I'll have to do.
Yeah this made me think a bit and realistically, for me as well, the skills that have paid the most dividends for me in life are ones I taught myself on my own time. While going to school for chemistry and mathematics for years helped land me a nice career, I frequently tell people that there the 95+% of it is useless to me and that all the knowledge you need for my job could be taught in under a month.
Formal education institutions are disgustingly inefficient. I can forgive it to some extent through high school as most of the little shits don't even wanna be there, but in college there's no excuse not to have the highest of standards.
College used to be much harder. Then they figured out how much money they could make if they lowered their admission standards and jacked up tuition. Now it's basically high school that you pay the price of a house to attend.
The task of making a plan to teach the basic skills expected from primary education seems impossibly difficult to them, and they assume everyone who does it is even more inept than them because they're obviously intellectually superior to those crazy home schoolers. Teacher told them as much.
And you know for a fact they'd probably clap like seals to any post of "what school never taught me".
They're socialized in the same way gang members are socialized.
Libs were totally traumatised anywhere they go. Isn't that interesting? Or maybe they are just broken people who pretend everything is a trauma to them, meanwhile they were kinda crazy from the get go.
This is just the endpoint of the old repeated line "reality has a liberal bias." Where they think they own the truth and reality itself. That you cannot disengage the liberal parts (which the conservatives don't want) from the education parts.
So of course they think they literally own education, and they by not submitting your children to their Leftist stained version of schooling you are depriving them of all knowledge.
This is my bugbear. It's not just that parents are better teachers and can offer a more tailored approach, it's that the 'socialisation' 'benefits' of school are actually detriments. There is no benefit to public education. For thousands of years across all societies, kids socialized with their siblings and neighborhood kids, with the elder daughters looking after the youngest. When you became a man at 13 or so, you left the kid groups and were socialised with adults as an apprentice, you were taught to socialize in a meaningful way with responsible adults, trusted with more and more responsibilities, and earning respect. You learnt to behave responsibly from adult groups. This is how we are made to socialise and organise ourselves
The modern school is an aberration and completely disordered social group. Teenagers are not meant to spend all their time learning social skills from other teenagers who do not know how to behave, because they themselves are learning from other teenagers. GIGO. They are learning to 'socialise' in an artificial and inapplicable environment. Nothing they learn at school is applicable outside of it, it is not useful 'socialisation'. And even if it could be in theory, its public nature and lack of exclusion of negative influences means it is never so in practise
Separating the boys from men as rolemodels and teachers in smaller groups is one of the underappreciated blights on our society, and part of the reason we now have men-children till 30. Because they aren't starting the apprentices and learning under other adults till after 24. And male teachers is not the solution. It would help, but this is not what I mean. 1 man cannot teach 30 children how to behave. I'm talking apprentices with few boys amongst many men or the family group, learning to chat and behave responsible by working along side them and learning a trade, as we've always done, from tribal groups to anything pre 1900 or whatever.
I'm also just wary of anything with 'social' in the word. It has other meanings, far leftist ones. Whenever some leftist says they want your kid to be social...... something, be very afraid, suspicious, and know that it means something entirely different to what they want you to think it means.
I was homeschooled, and I'm fairly non-social, but everyone I do interact with says I'm super polite, kind, and at least sociable, even if I don't choose to socialize much. Also, even if I was a total mess, still beats being a normie or an NPC. One of the very best aspects of homeschooling is that you're actually taught to think, generally. And you can focus on things you like or that click, and learn at your own pace. I think I was doing bases and polynomials and the like in like second grade equivalent. If your teachers actually care about you, they'll make learning fun.
I think if I hadn't been brought up the way I had, I wouldn't have been able to make the switch from borderline commie (I was never one myself, but some friends were, and basically everyone in the area was some level of lib or progressive) to wherever I am now. Even as a lib, I was coming more from a libertarian angle, but I still think I might have been totally fucked if I hadn't been taught to actually think for myself. I've looked up some of my friends who went to public school; they're all some level of lefty activist, from what I could find. I even know some people who went trans, well before it was "cool."
There were pros and cons to my upbringing, certainly, but fact is I wouldn't be me without it. There were some things my parents could have done a lot better, sure, but overall I'd still take this than public school. And public school has only gotten worse since then, too. It's a nightmare.
Facts. Working as intended.
I was homeschooled. I'm more social than 90% of the retards that came out of public school.
I used to not necessarily be anti-homeschooling but shared these thoughts that they'd all end up social weirdoes. A handful of years ago a friend who was pro-homeschool, more of a un-schooler type, convinced me otherwise. If I really think about it, I was way more comfortable outside of school and school just beat me down socially.
Every homeschooler I've ever met has been in a different league. I've got a 7 year old girl in the family that is like the best kid I've ever met under 10 by far. She can have conversations with adults in complete sentences, picks out and orders her own food at restaurants, reads books that like would be typical for 7th graders. My 14 year old cousin is a little turd at times, but that's because we're close and he's a teenager. He doesn't really excel socially but he can manage, he's insanely independent and I'd totally trust him in a tough situation over a lot of people I know twice his age. A few early 20s that have good jobs and take care of themselves, that's rare it seems. I can't think of one that's worse off than the average raging leftist.
It depends quite heavily on the parents, in terms of what kind of results might be rendered. Not that I think the government deserves much involvement in the process there either, but it would be rather silly to assume that all parents are competent enough to provide a well rounded education.
And I'm not referring to their educational qualifications so much as how much time or effort they're even capable of devoting to that kind of an endeavor. Not that public schools today are a great option for anything resembling well rounded either.
Back in the day, of all the kids who went to private school, I thought they were emotionally or socially stunted because they were a bit to rigid in how they behaved themselves.
Nowadays, I think the reality is that we were all just degenerates and they shouldn't have been near us.
Homeschooling isn't enough, you also need to not give them access to the internet
On Reddit I exchanged DMs with some guy for a time. He grew up being home schooled.
He explained to me the kinds of things he did as a kid, like they travelled, he did sports with local kids, they went to different hobby groups, his parents had friends with kids, so basically he socialised a lot.
Libs like to pretend that home schooling means your kids never meet any other children.
Libs claim (and wish) that the fundamental human function of socialization can only happen through government channels.
That's because it's true. At least, in a way.
They're not using the word "Socialization" the way you are. Back in the Progressive Era, Socialize and Socialization and Socialism were all the same concept. Socializing children meant that the children should be Socialized, rather than learn hot to be social. The Left still doesn't think differently, but most people separated out the idea of "integrating an individual into a society" from "conditioning an individual into a socialist state".
This is one thing that Michael Malice is very right on. The public education system is so broken we spend most of our time trying to de-institutionalize our children out of it. Most people will experience the most regular amount of violence in public schools. We use "this isn't high school" as a pejorative; and the people who long for their high school days are clearly under-developed or stunted people (like Al Bundy).
Leftists love to make up somebody to get mad at and run off anybody who tries to explain reality to them or argue with them in any way by being unbearably obnoxious until you cede the discussion.
Even if it did mean never seeing other children, it would be preferable to the nonstop chimpout that is public schools.
Exactly. My brother and sister in law homeschooled for quite a while and now they send them to Christian schools. I laugh at the criticism because there are plenty of “weirdos” public school produces and the indoctrination concerns aren’t unfounded
At least the kids in Lord of the Flies could take care of themselves.
Weird flex or he's lying. Way more people have been homeschooled these days in America than ever before. Meeting a homeschooled person is not like finding a unicorn. It's not rare at all. If that's his impression it shows he's very socially stunted and doesn't get around much. (probably never leaves his blue city)
Anyone who complains about homeschooling, just BSOD them:
"You actually sent your kids to school in the middle of the COVID pandemic? You WANT to kill grandma!?! What kind of science-denying right wingnut are you?! Homeschool your damn kids!"
They don't care because the government told them it was safe to go back to school. They're boot lovers.