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Vice: America Is Obsessed With Vigilantism (archive.vn)
posted 3 years ago by Ahaus667 3 years ago by Ahaus667 +24 / -0
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– Lurker404 38 points 3 years ago +38 / -0

What do they expect when corrupt governments turn society into a criminal free for all? Vigilantism is a symptom. The government abandoning the people is the cause.

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– Assassin47 22 points 3 years ago +22 / -0

Laws exist not only to protect the innocent but also to protect the accused. If we do away with enforcing the law then this is what happens.

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– Gizortnik 9 points 3 years ago +9 / -0

Eventually, the normie realizes that he's not locked in the hive-city with the cirminals. The criminals are locked in the hive city with him.

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– Gizortnik 9 points 3 years ago +9 / -0

Exactly.

First of all, American are already a violent and revolutionary minded people (by comparison to Europe). Part of that comes from our pioneering heritage where there was no law, and the only thing that protected a man's family was the man himself.

The very nature of extracting justice from a wild and amoral world is something Americans have always embraced. When you create intentionally anti-moral hive-cities; Americans yearn to extract justice from the hell you've committed.

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– Ahaus667 [S] 21 points 3 years ago +21 / -0

Neely, a 30-year-old unhoused street performer, died on May 1 after being choked out for 15 minutes by a former Marine named Daniel Penny. Video of the attack, posted on Facebook by freelance journalist Juan Alberto Vazquez, showed two other men assisting Penny as he choked Neely, and Neely’s limp body on the ground after Penny released him. Neely was later declared dead at a Manhattan hospital, and the city medical examiner said Neely died as a result of the chokehold, ruling his death a homicide.

Not one mention of the repeated violent crimes, this is rape shield laws for violent criminals now. Just because the whore was bent over every day, multiple times a day doesn’t bring relevance to the one time she cries rape! Just because the violent criminal assaulted a 60 year old lady the other week doesn’t mean his threats of violence meant anything this time!

The indifference to the death of a man who lived by all accounts a difficult life is part of a growing and disturbing strain of vigilantism in the U.S., following years of fear-mongering about crime in American cities and the dehumanization of unhoused people.

Don’t you dare say the violent criminals deserve their fate! They’re the real victims!

Vazquez told Curbed that before Penny put Neely in a chokehold, Neely had been screaming that “he didn’t have food, that he didn’t have water,” and “that he didn’t care about going to jail.” As Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, whose district includes Rikers Island, tweeted following Neely’s death: “We make living in jail easier than living out of it.”

Bold faced lie, the party that closed mental health facilities replaced it with prison and blamed conservatives.

Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg has launched an investigation into Neely’s death. But there’s still a lot we don’t know about the lead-up to the events shown in Vazquez’s footage. Penny was released at the scene, and it took several days for his name to even be made public. In a statement, Penny’s attorneys said that Neely was “aggressively threatening” him and other passengers in the car, and that Penny and others “acted to protect themselves until help arrived.”

Can’t let an opportunity go to waste huh Bragg?

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– MrGiggles 16 points 3 years ago +16 / -0

Calling Neely an “unhoused street performer” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist.”

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– LauriThorne 10 points 3 years ago +10 / -0

No mention of the video of the marine trying to save the felons life either.

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– SupremeReader 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Didn't Reagan do it?

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– Ahaus667 [S] 12 points 3 years ago +12 / -0

The ending of state sanitariums was a campaign from the academic left with the key “study” pushed by a now known fraud who at best manipulated data and used students as test subjects then excluded any positive results from self admission to a state hospital. Here’s a pretty solid breakdown on it https://nypost.com/2019/11/02/stanford-professor-who-changed-america-with-just-one-study-was-also-a-liar/

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– CanuckElhead 20 points 3 years ago +20 / -0

This guy can join Kyle Rittenhouse and Edward Snowden in the "no good deed goes unpunished" club.

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– current_horror 20 points 3 years ago +20 / -0

He should join Snowden in Russia before NY’s leftist justice system puts him in prison for life.

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– deleted 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0
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– Galean 16 points 3 years ago +16 / -0

unhoused street performer

Basically a saint and not one that was arrested more then 40 times and was violent.

Also if you are pushing for defund the police are you surprised that vigilantism becomes popular?

Why do leftist gather around people like this guy or George Floyd or worse, the pedo that Kyle killed in self-defense?

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– deleted 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0
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– current_horror 14 points 3 years ago +14 / -0

When the state abdicates its duty to inflict retribution on behalf of victims of crime, or even to curtail criminal behavior, then vigilantism becomes inevitable.

Of course, the state will treat vigilantism as the most serious offense, worse than murder or rape, because citizens taking the law into their own hands represents an immediate existential threat to the power of the state.

When conservatives vote for anti-crime policies, it’s not about cruelly inflicting pain for no reason. It’s about preventing the destruction of the social contract and the subsequent collapse of society. The state must deter and punish criminals. If it does not, then the state is illegitimate.

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– Norenia 9 points 3 years ago +9 / -0

Of course, the state will treat vigilantism as the most serious offense

I truly dread having to say this.

If justified defense of self or others from violent repeat offenders becomes a crime, then it's time for vigilantism to graduate to the next step.

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– almond_activator 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Vigilantes deal with the symptoms, but at some point, the disease must be addressed. Those who preclude any possibility of treating the disease peaceably with the threat of deadly force invariably make themselves just and moral targets of the same.

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– CanuckElhead 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

Of course, the state will treat vigilantism as the most serious offense, worse than murder or rape, because citizens taking the law into their own hands represents an immediate existential threat to the power of the state

Look at the way some of them responded to the rash of goofs in costumes that cropped up around 2010 or their responses to some of the 'victim solves own crime' ones.

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– MargarineMongoose 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

The state has been illegitimate for a while now.

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– Norenia 14 points 3 years ago +14 / -0

It's not obsession, it's coming to terms with its inevitable necessity. Like gun ownership- scares the fuck out of me because I know if I screw up with it, myself or an innocent could get seriously hurt or worse. But seeing the way the world is going, it's goddamn necessary.

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– Steampunk_Moustache 12 points 3 years ago +12 / -0

>defund the police!

>abolish prison time for theft!

>America Is Obsessed With Vigilantism

You must pick a minimum of two.

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– smashyawaro 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

I call it "decentralized community policing".

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– Adamrises 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

Batman, and really most superheroes, have been massive cultural icons and popular figures for nearly a century. Probably every one of them is a vigilante by some definition. The entire reason why Batman can't kill is because he has no legal power and if he did he would absolutely be tried and charged for it.

Vigilantism is one of the most powerful instincts humans have, the desire for justice. The entire purpose of the legal system as a fucking concept is to satiate that desire enough by promising to take care of it for them. And the more they fail at the one single job they have, the more pronounced the call for it will become.

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– Smith1980 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

So Vice wants us to be sitting ducks?

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– MargarineMongoose 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

They want you dead.

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– when_we_win_remember 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Vigilante? That doesn't generally refer to someone actively stopping a guy from committing a crime. Because that is not law enforcement. It is what citizens are supposed to do. Vigilante means basically you are taking vengeance due to the absence of proper law enforcement, not just that the cops haven't gotten there yet.

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– realerfunction 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

dirty harry and the punisher didn't arise out of a vacuum.

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– onetimeuser 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

I thought these people loved super heroes and the ideas of cleaning up a society that has succumbed to so much corruption and decay?

Then when they finally enter the world they fantasized about suddenly it's "Nooo!! You can't just take vigilante justice into your own hands!!!" ??

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– deleted 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

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