I'm one of them. My ex wife lost her mind on antidepressants and came very close to successfully murdering me. Now, after finding a good woman my life is better than I'd ever could have hoped.
Your analogy is one in which, because you burned yourself while cooking you declare that you'll never try to cook again. I don't think that's a path to success.
I think everyone dies alone. But you don't have to die lonely. They're very different things.
Sorry to hear about what you went through with your ex-wife.
I hope your current marriage or relationship stays this positive and works out long term.
I just personally don't think it is worth the risks and effort for me to search for a mythical "good woman".
FYI I am in my 30s, I am not 6 feet tall, I am only average looking facially, in shape though and I am an introvert, the odds of me finding a mythical good woman are extremely slim to say the least.
My wife is a wonderful woman and I'm blessed to have her. I fairness I'm six foot two, in good shape and a very good looking guy. Not to mention a veteran with a job that pays well enough that she can stay home. I won't say I'm not fortunate, although I also don't think it's just luck. What I am saying is that from my perspective, I'd have missed out on a lot of I had just thrown in the towel. I'm not inclined to do that as a general rule.
You can feel as if the risk isn't worthwhile. That's up to you.
I know I'm a high value man. I've got a woman who would be high value even if the SMV wasn't all distorted, she's gorgeous, skilled and God fearing. But it is and that's a big chunk of the issue here.
The value of women is absolutely cratered. So distorted is the marketplace that a woman who can cook more than just microwaving a Healthy Choice is a gem. The value of men has certainly gone down as well however, which is why women in general are expanding their age range wider.
The video touches on this but doesn't hammer it enough IMO: With the way divorce courts work there's no protection for the man in the event that she wakes up one morning and decides to throw him in the garbage. In the case of a trad wife it gives the court another pretext to strip the man of his assets. She would probably even get alimony, which is mostly extinct even though we all know that child support is just alimony under a different name. Not to mention that women knows how this shit works and they teach each other how to extract as much wealth as possible before discarding a dude. The only safe way to get married these days is moving to a country with better divorce laws and stay there.
I'm just gonna copy paste a response I made to this criticism:
If "their own way" involves whining about women, then that's their own way. There's a (sometimes deliberate) misconception that "going their own way" means disappearing so their feminist betters aren't inconvenienced by their existence. That's a legitimate option, but not the only one. The only reason women figure into it at all is because getting legally entangled with them means losing control of your own destiny, which is what MGTOW is really about. It just so happens that I think the MGTOW community could use more self improvement and lifestyle content, but it's not something I can bring up without sounding like a feminist who's only interested in controlling what the community talks about.
I dunno man. Just sounds kinda pathetic to me. You guys have your boogieman and the feminists have theirs (the patriarchy) and at the end of the day everybody wastes a lot of time and mental effort reeeeing on the internet.
I mean, you're right that doing something productive is better than just whining. It's just that a lot of feminists complain that MGTOW doesn't actually "go their own way", and that complaint misunderstands (probably intentionally) the meaning of GTOW. But it's not just MGTOW that complains on the internet. This site in particular is largely dedicated complaining about the cultural rot afflicting the West. We could also be doing something more productive, but sometimes it's nice to just talk to other like minded people about things we don't like about society.
We could also be doing something more productive, but sometimes it's nice to just talk to other like minded people about things we don't like about society.
I do think that we could all benefit from touching grass a little more often. I've been thinking about taking a month off this site and all these MGTOW posts lately have been pushing me further in that direction.
I have always said that I am a MGTOW even years ago on this forum.
That doesn't make me an alt of the theImp.
Unlike Imp, I don't hate women and I don't blame women for everything.
I think the gynocentric western society we live in is something that the subversive globalist elites have wrought on us all.
I personally don't date, don't do hookups or pursue any relationships and don't plan on ever getting married because I don't think the potential benefits of chasing women are worth the potential costs.
Recently ytube got to messing with monetization for videos with people swearing in them. I'm guessing these guys want to retain ad money for their podcasts clips.
Well of course there's risk. Life is risk. Living your entire life via excessive risk aversion is a great way to die lonely.
I personally have seen too many men I know go through a soul-crushing divorce and I have no interest in going through anything like that.
I don't need to get burned on the hot stove to learn not to touch that shit.
Do you really think getting married ensures that you won't die alone when you are old?
I'm one of them. My ex wife lost her mind on antidepressants and came very close to successfully murdering me. Now, after finding a good woman my life is better than I'd ever could have hoped.
Your analogy is one in which, because you burned yourself while cooking you declare that you'll never try to cook again. I don't think that's a path to success.
I think everyone dies alone. But you don't have to die lonely. They're very different things.
Sorry to hear about what you went through with your ex-wife.
I hope your current marriage or relationship stays this positive and works out long term.
I just personally don't think it is worth the risks and effort for me to search for a mythical "good woman".
FYI I am in my 30s, I am not 6 feet tall, I am only average looking facially, in shape though and I am an introvert, the odds of me finding a mythical good woman are extremely slim to say the least.
My wife is a wonderful woman and I'm blessed to have her. I fairness I'm six foot two, in good shape and a very good looking guy. Not to mention a veteran with a job that pays well enough that she can stay home. I won't say I'm not fortunate, although I also don't think it's just luck. What I am saying is that from my perspective, I'd have missed out on a lot of I had just thrown in the towel. I'm not inclined to do that as a general rule.
You can feel as if the risk isn't worthwhile. That's up to you.
Your height, your level of physical attractiveness and your salary is just not something most men have.
You would be classified as a high value man in terms of the sexual marketplace.
I can see why you beat the odds and succeeded so far.
I know I'm a high value man. I've got a woman who would be high value even if the SMV wasn't all distorted, she's gorgeous, skilled and God fearing. But it is and that's a big chunk of the issue here.
The value of women is absolutely cratered. So distorted is the marketplace that a woman who can cook more than just microwaving a Healthy Choice is a gem. The value of men has certainly gone down as well however, which is why women in general are expanding their age range wider.
When risk is at > 50% of getting divorced and losing your shit, you'd have to be tarded to get married.
There's risk and there's playing russian roulette with 5 bullets in the chamber and you're the only one that gets a turn.
There's a difference between taking calculated risks and playing russian roulette with 6 loaded chambers.
The sheer similarities between the two comments here is suspicious.
Fair but I don't need to touch the stove to know it's hot enough to burn me. There's risk and then theres risk
The video touches on this but doesn't hammer it enough IMO: With the way divorce courts work there's no protection for the man in the event that she wakes up one morning and decides to throw him in the garbage. In the case of a trad wife it gives the court another pretext to strip the man of his assets. She would probably even get alimony, which is mostly extinct even though we all know that child support is just alimony under a different name. Not to mention that women knows how this shit works and they teach each other how to extract as much wealth as possible before discarding a dude. The only safe way to get married these days is moving to a country with better divorce laws and stay there.
Good point on the bias of divorce courts.
I honestly cannot really even think of a modern country with good quality of life along with decent divorce laws.
I get really annoyed with MGTOW because "going your own way" always ends up meaning "complain about women endlessly on the internet."
I understand not wanting to get involved in the current dating market. That's fine and that's your choice. But do something productive with your time.
I'm just gonna copy paste a response I made to this criticism:
I dunno man. Just sounds kinda pathetic to me. You guys have your boogieman and the feminists have theirs (the patriarchy) and at the end of the day everybody wastes a lot of time and mental effort reeeeing on the internet.
I mean, you're right that doing something productive is better than just whining. It's just that a lot of feminists complain that MGTOW doesn't actually "go their own way", and that complaint misunderstands (probably intentionally) the meaning of GTOW. But it's not just MGTOW that complains on the internet. This site in particular is largely dedicated complaining about the cultural rot afflicting the West. We could also be doing something more productive, but sometimes it's nice to just talk to other like minded people about things we don't like about society.
I do think that we could all benefit from touching grass a little more often. I've been thinking about taking a month off this site and all these MGTOW posts lately have been pushing me further in that direction.
Usually you can't statistically prove a boogieman
That is a reasonable criticism.
Some MGTOWs do this shit too much.
I agree with don't "complain about women endlessly on the internet" and "do something productive with your time".
MGTOW is a kike psyop
Oh, you were an Imp sock puppet all along!
I once called him the Imp, but for Trump.
Because he's deranged.
I have always said that I am a MGTOW even years ago on this forum.
That doesn't make me an alt of the theImp.
Unlike Imp, I don't hate women and I don't blame women for everything.
I think the gynocentric western society we live in is something that the subversive globalist elites have wrought on us all.
I personally don't date, don't do hookups or pursue any relationships and don't plan on ever getting married because I don't think the potential benefits of chasing women are worth the potential costs.
Recognize a troll when you see one.
Why the fuck is the swearing edited out? It's fucking annoying.
Recently ytube got to messing with monetization for videos with people swearing in them. I'm guessing these guys want to retain ad money for their podcasts clips.
Better Bachelor has to do the same thing. At least I hope that's what he's doing. I haven't checked his Locals site to confirm.
I have seen their actual Fit and Fresh podcast and the swearing is not edited there.
I think it is only edited out on the YouTube version of their content.
I guess it's for monetization then. Interesting. Very interesting.
Ultimately the problem is caused by weak men