I keep seeing people like critical drinker recommend it,but I find it hard to take their opinions on this particular show seriously since they don't seem to be bothered by the really obnoxious black washing. Other times I respect his opinion though. Given that the targaryens are supposed to be an inbred 'pure' family,the idea that they would have anything to do with folks who look very different from them just completely ruins the immersion and world building for me. I can buy that you might have had valerians with dark skin,but there is no way targaryens would be marrying them. I suppose my main question is who is married to who in the show then. Apologies for the long winded nature of the post.
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My thoughts exactly. It's just that alot of the you tubers I normally respect like drinker and shaderdiversity give it glowing reviews. I just can't understand why this doesn't bother them when it's so blatent.
I was surprised they liked it so much and I thought the race swap was dumb. I’m going to get the book eventually. I’ve heard people say outside of the race swap and some girl power moments it’s not bad but I wonder if it’s a situation where it’s good by modern entertainment standards. If they wanted black ppl they could’ve done a Summer Isle show but i wouldn’t trust modern HBO doing a show like that without injecting modern day themes. Targaryens were clearly described in the books like you said
You need to consider this woke shit on a spectrum & give the "less woke" shit a chance, otherwise you're just an old curmudgeon on your porch yelling at the damn kids.
It very much was and was extremely immersion-breaking. Hilariously, everyone in the show totally ignores the fact that the blacks are a different race. Truly a racially blind society like we ought to have IRL.
True and that's my take as well. Some faggotry in it, too. I forget now but there was 1 scene that pissed me off with the faggotry and how it was handled where there is a feast & a dance. It made no sense and was just stupid drama.
You should know by now that the game is for libs to have blacks steal white roles (not like the actors are doing it, they're just collecting their pay check), not to do anything on their own, because they can't make good shit on their own. It's a game that is played for the lib elites to trick blacks into staying loyal to the Left even though the Left keeps them as a permanent underclass.
And that's how overton window pushing works folks.
wrong in the way you meant it, right in the way I meant it.
wrong as you meant "not 1 step back comrade" because the overton window moves or doesn't move regardless of what a small minority of right wingers say or do
right in how I meant it - you actively engage with woke shit on a spectrum and push it to the right - because that actually discourages the leftward move
you guys on this sub are sooooooo good at being absolutist permanent losers.
There's plenty of non-woke entertainment to enjoy still, you must just apparently suck at finding things that aren't shoved directly in your face or have too much free time. And I doubt your blindly consuming semi-shit entertainment is pushing anyone right. I imagine if you were to start talking to fans of any of these shows you'd push more people in the opposite direction if you try the same self-righteous old man jabber you do here. If you want to shift the overton window, help non-woke shows grow or create your own. Don't kid yourself that you're subverting their shit as you support it.
Although I will admit watching you try to sell your own personal brand of race realism in some random reylo shipping fandom post would be funny to watch.
You are right. I’ll get around to watching it I’m sure but I’ll probably just read the book. I guess my main annoyance is that Martin can work on all these other things but can’t finish Winds of Winter
he stopped caring about winds of winter. he figures that no matter what he writes, it will disappoint & not live up to expectations, so he sees finishing it as stressful, so he's rather just do other things he will get paid $$$ for.
I just wish he would come out and tell his fans that he has no interest in finishing. Or give an author what he has written and let them finish
He really doesn't want to admit that he won't finish, even to himself, no matter how obvious it is at this point.
Really sad considering ASOIAF will always be his legacy & magnum opus and yet he won't even finish it because he stupidly sold the rights to tv show hack writers and them them slap a dogshit ending onto it.
I just cannot get over the race swapping. Even if its good there's just things that I can't unsee. It ruins the immersion of the show the same way the later seasons of GoT got ruined by dumb decisions.
"There's never been a blonde Baratheon."
"Targaryens must keep their bloodline pure to maintain the ability to control dragons."
I've seen this show!
This
It's woke boring crap. This will be one of the few times I disagree with Critical Drinker and the EFAP crowd on this. There is no subtely with any of the themes, story and plot elements. In short, it's a feminist show. I couldn't get past the first couple of episodes.
He seems to go out of his way to praise stuff that promotes faggotry.
Wasn't he a furry..? Or maybe he just worked with furries. Can't remember the details, but it wouldn't be much of a surprise to promote faggotry from there.
Nope. Never seen it, saw clips, saw the sister-fucking spawn of a lead actress, saw the black white guy, noped out real quick.
I never watched it and don't feel that I missed anything.
It felt....empty.... to me. I can't quite put my finger on it or find a better word for it, but, barring Matt Smith's character, the entire world and all the characters all seemed somehow hollow and empty most of the time.
Matt Smith's character is the G Andrew Tate wishes he was.
Don't bother it changes a lot of stuff from the book and it changes it for the worst. The time jumps are jarring and come randomly with no explanation. The changes to the characters make zero sense and completely screw up the plot.
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The show is totally fine in terms of overall plot if you ignore some box checking annoyances:
one white family getting joggered for ESG points
semi-obnoxious girlboss whining about how women are just treated like baby machines in some early episodes which all gets forgotten quick when the main character girl just thinks with her pussy all the time anyway
My recommendation is to just pirate it. Never give money to any of these companies until they knock the ESG shit off. But the story itself isn't woke, it is just typical GoT where everyone is a raging asshole trying to backstab all the other raging assholes.
Everyone knew it would be contrived, woke, and boring but the spin on viewership was the real kicker. It broke HBOs record for number of streaming viewership on opening night and they were all over the internet proclaiming the show an unrivaled success.
Three weeks later it had reported the biggest viewership drop-off in HBO history as everyone walked away from the boring story, the woke politics, and preachy writing. Now they're skipping 2023 production entirely as they focus on trying to figure out how to unfuck the show without actually addressing any of these problems.
Are you confused with Rings of Powah? Because afaik, House of the Dragon has been better than most shows at keeping their audience.
Nope. Ep1 brought in a record of over 3 million viewers but by episode 3 it had lost a third of that number. Somehow ratings were strong again for the season finale.
It's good, but it also heavily pushes feminist bullshit.
Good enough to push past the aggrivation?
For me it was, just prepare to cringe at some parts
No media that has butt pirates as a major (or even minor) plot point is worth watching.
lips that touch race-swapping shall not touch mine
It's modern, mainstream television.
Of course it is.
It's "nu woke" That is the atrocious shows and movies are the big ask of diversity and inclusion. Think star wars and the little mermaid. House of the Dragon is a decent show with only a little bit of woke to get you to accept it.
There is a canon reason why the valerians are Black, but as OP said, there's also no canon reason why the Targareans would marry into them.
I stopped watching after about 5 episodes.
Congratulations, you are not taking the words of e-celebs at face value.
Yes there are those couple of woke things, but it's a surprisingly good show. Quite clever writing, I was invested. Far better than season 5+ of the original GOT.
HBO didn't go bonkers with the woke, they chucked a few things in for an ESG score or something, but it's still a good show. Not like lord of the rings or something where the whole thing is trash.*
No. It's girl power crap.
I think so. The main woke thing is the stronk women and childbirth bullshit. It doesn't seem all that out of place in Westeros. It's not like GoT was a documentary. In general, chicks riding dragons is a thing I support. Preferably big tiddie chicks with boob armor.