this is why MGTOW is a dominating movement in numerous countries. it's over 70% in japan and korea. here you see it's hitting zoomers at 60%+
men today are expected to work 20x harder than their grandfathers, for women that are not even 5% of who their grandmothers were. why bother?
and i'm not some scorned, butthurt incel. i did TRP a few years til i got bored. my body count in the triple digits because if you're over 6ft tall, it's not even hard.
islam is right about women. when the west falls and islam replaces it, feminism will be crushed. no fault divorce will not exist. and women will be property again. and the women today are the ones who voted for all of it. orthodox islam is already on track to be the voting majority in france and sweden in 10 years. how long do they think feminism will last when the voting majority views women as literal property?
this is why MGTOW is a dominating movement in numerous countries. it's over 70% in japan and korea.
LOL what? No it's not. Just because those men oppose feminism does not make them MGTOW. I oppose feminism and I'm not MGTOW.
MGTOW means male separatism, it doesn't mean "society is rigged against men". You need to add the additional step of "men reject short-term relationships and limit their interactions with women" & "men minimize their engagement with the state and society" to be MGTOW.
If you still want to fuck women but can't, you're not MGTOW, you're an incel.
If you still want to fuck women and you do, you're neither, you're just normal.
There is no such thing as a "cultural equivalent". They either believe in the ideology and philosophy of MGTOW or they don't.
All "herbivore man" refers to, is the idea that a class of men in Japan are discouraged from dating so they don't put in the effort. This alone is not enough to be MGTOW, to be MGTOW, you need to have additional beliefs that may or may not be present in any given "herbivore" man.
Incels are not MGTOW
Men who simply prefer 2D girls are not MGTOW
Hikikomori (shut ins) are not MGTOW
Men who prefer to fuck sex workers instead of having relationships are not MGTOW. Sex workers are normalized, legal, and common in Japan.
MGTOW is not a synonym for men who are single or who aren't actively dating. I had plenty of phases in my single life where I was burned out on dating and took breaks from it. I was not a MGTOW during those times.
MGTOW is incredibly tiny and basically only represents incels who have given up on women entirely.
"The expectations of American men are also rising"
Meanwhile, foreign women have expectations through the floor due to decades of dealing with the infidelity and alcoholism of their own men. If you arent a retarded autist with drug problems they act like you're a golden god.
This is the source of the "passport bros" phenomenon dominating Tiktok. American women arent a good deal. American men are going where they get more bang for their buck, so to speak.
Other men withdraw into inceldom or become chronic masturbators.
These are alll solutions to the same problem, which is how laughably shit western women are.
Whereas in the past men wouldnt have had a choice, and would have eventually cucked, in current year with internet porn and global travel I think American women can not command the same kind of infinite value they once had. Hence all the cat ladies and single wine aunts, which will just become more common as womens' depression rates climb. The quicker this happens the better. We need a social correction; American women need to lose 2/3 of their value before any other social ills can be defeated.
The problem is those women still live until they’re 90, voting like clockwork for leftist destruction the whole way. You can’t just abandon that demo as lost without them retaliating against society. We need a new strategy.
My japanese-american girlfriend votes exactly the way I do, straight ticket right wing. She was an Obama voter before she met me, now she is red pilled.
Strong men can convert their women. Weak men get converted. Strong right wing men cause women to become right wing, too.
All it takes is being strong willed and not backing down. Deep down women want to be told what to do. Walking on eggshells around them because you don't want to upset them is the biggest pussy repellent known to man, and one of the reasons why simps and soyboys never stand a chance.
No, it used to be a meme when it was just lame old dudes going for 18 year old sluts they couldnt organically attract without money, using skeezy mail order websites as an intermediary. That was like a self-selection process for low quality divorced men and gold diggers.
Now the demographics are shifting. Now that young men are pursuing women in the same ballpark of attractiveness in real life it has become a viable strategy.
The combination of foreign women increasingly learning english because it is the dominant international language + the internet making it far easier for people to connect without sleazy brokers, means it is very easy now.
It is still uncommon in the US, but it is very common in Asia. It is super common and mainstreamed in Singapore and Hong Kong, and has been growing in Japan.
Eventually you'll realize that not only is everyone else not a britbong, but in fact most people aren't. Y'all have even lower quality women than NA and that's saying something.
Another factor at play might be the interests of women changing – especially as suitors of the same age are becoming apparently less desirable, experts said.
“[Women would] rather go to brunch with friends than have a horrible date,” LA couples and family psychologist Greg Matos said.
Of course.
The expectations of American men are also rising in the minds of women, according to masculinity expert and University of Akron Professor Ronald Levant, who added that “unfortunately, so many men don’t have more to give”.
Maybe it is because our 'masculinity experts' are apparently giant sopping vaginas.
Anyone willing to call themselves a “masculinity expert” is not only unworthy of the title but has never likely have been or experienced real masculinity.
women are terrible => men are single => men are wanking too much.
The article also conveniently forgets to mention that women are sharing the top 5 or 10 percent of men, which accounts for most of the difference in the percentage of single men and women.
experts blame erotic alone time online as a major culprit
Porn is suboptimal but it beats the feminist hellscape that is the modern dating market. If the "experts" have a problem with it they should call for a system that doesn't enable women's worst instincts.
“[Women would] rather go to brunch with friends than have a horrible date,” LA couples and family psychologist Greg Matos said.
By horrible date they mean go out with a man who isn't Gigachad. It's all fun and games until she's pushing 40 and the 6' 4'' billionaire she feels entitled to hasn't descended from the heavens and married her.
63% of young men are single but only 34% of women.
Explanation: Chads are sport fucking multiple women, and these stupid women think they are in a "relationship" with their Chad, when in reality they are just one of the hoes in his soft harem. The reason this has dramatically increased in recent years has been the rise of "online dating", mainly tinder, which encourages women to ride the cock carousel.
The headline should be "Driven by unrealistic expectations arising from social media, unprecedented numbers of young women are riding the cock carousel instead of looking for men who will realistically offer them long term relationships."
Another lesser factor is women date older men, but men don't date older women. If you look at the chart, men 30+ are only 25% single, down from 63% for under 30 men. And the trend reverses with women 65+ being much more likely to be single, so you have men dating younger women, and then dying first in old age leaving the women single.
If you are a Chad, this is the peak time to be alive. If you are not a Chad, dating as a man is a fucking slog. So a lot of guys are noping out.
I had to laugh at the random jew quoted as saying it's because men watch porn. LOL porn didn't increase in the last few years.
Let women increase their expectations of men. Let men continue to have low expectations of women that women are unable to meet. The end result will be more unhappy people and less children. This is good because it will lead to a destabilization of society. Our elites will attempt to fix the low birth rate issue by taxing single men more and redistributing the money to women who have children. This will actually make the situation even worse for men and have very limited impacts on birth rates. The governments will increase immigration but since white people aren't having kids anywhere in the world, they'll be taking in black, brown and yellow immigrants which will lead to more destabilization.
Eventually, we should see a situation where a natural patriarchy begins to be reaffirmed because women will be forced to find men for protection since the government will stop being able to enforce law & order given how bad everything is going to get. Lots of rapes and murders will happen. Weak white men that are afraid of using violence will be killed. The Western World will slowly crumble as there will remain nothing left of it anyone cares to salvage. The children of current elites will be too weak and stupid to know what to do and their wealth and power will evaporate as competing foreign interests in China, Russia, Middle-East, Indian start to seize the reigns of wealth and power. The Jews will realize their mistake too late that they needed the white men to run their racket and their system isn't going to work with a bunch of non-whites. In the end, we'll persevere through it and feminism will be destroyed. Such is the cycles of civilizations.
That's my hope anyway so let's accelerate. Men need to 100% stop dating women. Stop having kids. Stop having sex. All men should go on a 100% abstinence strike against women. Stop dating them. Stop giving them money. Stop being friends with women. Boycott women entirely.
I think females want to lose all of their rights and become house slaves again.
Idk, I don't really care about them, but if it keeps lurching this way it'll break down into pussyless men revolutionizing society so they can get some.
Blaming masturbation or porn is like blaming someone for opening a window on a hot summer's day; therefore, letting flies in because they don't have air conditioning. If you don't want them to open the window then get them air conditioning. Saying the reason they can't get air conditioning is because they have flies in their house from opening the window is bullshit. Get them air conditioning and then they won't open the window and they won't get flies in their house.
I'm not blaming the act of masturbation. I'm concerned with the psychological issue of having it part of your day to day routine. Coom brain is very very much a thing. Why do you think there are so many fucking people financing cam whores? It is fucking over men on a global scale.
Yes, shit women are repelling men from entering into relationships, but so is the issue of succumbing to self gratification by just getting their fix from a distance. The two problems have similar symptoms, but they are also separate diseases.
The discussion is worth having but you're looking at the issue with too much equality lens.
You're going okay women are causing x problem but there's also Y problem that needs to be factored in with equal weight. You have your weights wrong. It's 90% women and 10% other problems so there should be no 50/50 compromise.
Men that seek out virtual whores do so because the men lack a real life whore. Simple as. Every woman has the capability to be any one man's whores. We used to call this a wife. Women simply don't want this role anymore unless they're getting paid insane amounts of money. Money most guys don't have so they turn to virtual mediums to get their fix at a cheaper cost.
We have a supply and demand issue. Given the level of demand for women that men have, women have too limited of a supply. We either need to reduce men's demand or increase women's supply.
Many who target masturbation or porn believe these two things increase men's demand for sex but there's nothing to prove that. If anything, it reduces men's demand for sex. Regardless, why should we even reduce men's demand for sex? Why don't we focus on increasing women's supply?
That's not the supply I'm talking about. 1000 rotten apples isn't any better than 10 rotten apples.
We need to force women to stop being fat. We need to force women to exhibit good behavior. We need to improve the quality of our existing women. That's what I mean when I say increase the supply not the quantity.
Societal advice to women: “never settle, men are disposable”
Societal advice to men: “you must constantly work and be the best to attract a woman, and even then you must settle for someone beneath you.”
The "prize" is worthless and she'll steal everything you ever worked for.
I hate it when you're right, but this time I felt it in my soul- ouch.
this is why MGTOW is a dominating movement in numerous countries. it's over 70% in japan and korea. here you see it's hitting zoomers at 60%+
men today are expected to work 20x harder than their grandfathers, for women that are not even 5% of who their grandmothers were. why bother?
and i'm not some scorned, butthurt incel. i did TRP a few years til i got bored. my body count in the triple digits because if you're over 6ft tall, it's not even hard.
islam is right about women. when the west falls and islam replaces it, feminism will be crushed. no fault divorce will not exist. and women will be property again. and the women today are the ones who voted for all of it. orthodox islam is already on track to be the voting majority in france and sweden in 10 years. how long do they think feminism will last when the voting majority views women as literal property?
Try being a not rich islamic man in an islamic country. It's not all rainbows cookies. Islam is as skewed against normal men as western society is
i never said it was fair. i said it's increasingly becoming inevitable.
LOL what? No it's not. Just because those men oppose feminism does not make them MGTOW. I oppose feminism and I'm not MGTOW.
MGTOW means male separatism, it doesn't mean "society is rigged against men". You need to add the additional step of "men reject short-term relationships and limit their interactions with women" & "men minimize their engagement with the state and society" to be MGTOW.
If you still want to fuck women but can't, you're not MGTOW, you're an incel.
If you still want to fuck women and you do, you're neither, you're just normal.
do you even know what a japanese "herbivore" is? get the fuck out
Yes I do, and that's not the same as MGTOW for reasons I've already explained.
no. it literally is the cultural equivalent of MGTOW.
There is no such thing as a "cultural equivalent". They either believe in the ideology and philosophy of MGTOW or they don't.
All "herbivore man" refers to, is the idea that a class of men in Japan are discouraged from dating so they don't put in the effort. This alone is not enough to be MGTOW, to be MGTOW, you need to have additional beliefs that may or may not be present in any given "herbivore" man.
Incels are not MGTOW
Men who simply prefer 2D girls are not MGTOW
Hikikomori (shut ins) are not MGTOW
Men who prefer to fuck sex workers instead of having relationships are not MGTOW. Sex workers are normalized, legal, and common in Japan.
MGTOW is not a synonym for men who are single or who aren't actively dating. I had plenty of phases in my single life where I was burned out on dating and took breaks from it. I was not a MGTOW during those times.
MGTOW is incredibly tiny and basically only represents incels who have given up on women entirely.
"The expectations of American men are also rising"
Meanwhile, foreign women have expectations through the floor due to decades of dealing with the infidelity and alcoholism of their own men. If you arent a retarded autist with drug problems they act like you're a golden god.
This is the source of the "passport bros" phenomenon dominating Tiktok. American women arent a good deal. American men are going where they get more bang for their buck, so to speak.
Other men withdraw into inceldom or become chronic masturbators.
These are alll solutions to the same problem, which is how laughably shit western women are.
Whereas in the past men wouldnt have had a choice, and would have eventually cucked, in current year with internet porn and global travel I think American women can not command the same kind of infinite value they once had. Hence all the cat ladies and single wine aunts, which will just become more common as womens' depression rates climb. The quicker this happens the better. We need a social correction; American women need to lose 2/3 of their value before any other social ills can be defeated.
The problem is those women still live until they’re 90, voting like clockwork for leftist destruction the whole way. You can’t just abandon that demo as lost without them retaliating against society. We need a new strategy.
My japanese-american girlfriend votes exactly the way I do, straight ticket right wing. She was an Obama voter before she met me, now she is red pilled.
Strong men can convert their women. Weak men get converted. Strong right wing men cause women to become right wing, too.
All it takes is being strong willed and not backing down. Deep down women want to be told what to do. Walking on eggshells around them because you don't want to upset them is the biggest pussy repellent known to man, and one of the reasons why simps and soyboys never stand a chance.
No, it used to be a meme when it was just lame old dudes going for 18 year old sluts they couldnt organically attract without money, using skeezy mail order websites as an intermediary. That was like a self-selection process for low quality divorced men and gold diggers.
Now the demographics are shifting. Now that young men are pursuing women in the same ballpark of attractiveness in real life it has become a viable strategy.
As a result we get the passport bros thing.
The combination of foreign women increasingly learning english because it is the dominant international language + the internet making it far easier for people to connect without sleazy brokers, means it is very easy now.
It is still uncommon in the US, but it is very common in Asia. It is super common and mainstreamed in Singapore and Hong Kong, and has been growing in Japan.
Eventually you'll realize that not only is everyone else not a britbong, but in fact most people aren't. Y'all have even lower quality women than NA and that's saying something.
You get marginally more poon?
If you're white you get exponentially more poon -- even if you're ugly and socially awkward.
Of course.
Maybe it is because our 'masculinity experts' are apparently giant sopping vaginas.
Anyone willing to call themselves a “masculinity expert” is not only unworthy of the title but has never likely have been or experienced real masculinity.
That's not true. Ronald experiences real masculinity every time he sees his wife's boyfriend.
Well he's a woman, so
Archive.
I'd argue the chain of causation goes:
women are terrible => men are single => men are wanking too much.
The article also conveniently forgets to mention that women are sharing the top 5 or 10 percent of men, which accounts for most of the difference in the percentage of single men and women.
Porn is suboptimal but it beats the feminist hellscape that is the modern dating market. If the "experts" have a problem with it they should call for a system that doesn't enable women's worst instincts.
By horrible date they mean go out with a man who isn't Gigachad. It's all fun and games until she's pushing 40 and the 6' 4'' billionaire she feels entitled to hasn't descended from the heavens and married her.
Not only that, their brunch vs date comparison is retarded.
Dates in general aren't occurring on weekend mornings.
It's all just a bunch of drivel about how men shouldn't be able to live without women.
63% of young men are single but only 34% of women.
Explanation: Chads are sport fucking multiple women, and these stupid women think they are in a "relationship" with their Chad, when in reality they are just one of the hoes in his soft harem. The reason this has dramatically increased in recent years has been the rise of "online dating", mainly tinder, which encourages women to ride the cock carousel.
The headline should be "Driven by unrealistic expectations arising from social media, unprecedented numbers of young women are riding the cock carousel instead of looking for men who will realistically offer them long term relationships."
Another lesser factor is women date older men, but men don't date older women. If you look at the chart, men 30+ are only 25% single, down from 63% for under 30 men. And the trend reverses with women 65+ being much more likely to be single, so you have men dating younger women, and then dying first in old age leaving the women single.
If you are a Chad, this is the peak time to be alive. If you are not a Chad, dating as a man is a fucking slog. So a lot of guys are noping out.
I had to laugh at the random jew quoted as saying it's because men watch porn. LOL porn didn't increase in the last few years.
Let women increase their expectations of men. Let men continue to have low expectations of women that women are unable to meet. The end result will be more unhappy people and less children. This is good because it will lead to a destabilization of society. Our elites will attempt to fix the low birth rate issue by taxing single men more and redistributing the money to women who have children. This will actually make the situation even worse for men and have very limited impacts on birth rates. The governments will increase immigration but since white people aren't having kids anywhere in the world, they'll be taking in black, brown and yellow immigrants which will lead to more destabilization.
Eventually, we should see a situation where a natural patriarchy begins to be reaffirmed because women will be forced to find men for protection since the government will stop being able to enforce law & order given how bad everything is going to get. Lots of rapes and murders will happen. Weak white men that are afraid of using violence will be killed. The Western World will slowly crumble as there will remain nothing left of it anyone cares to salvage. The children of current elites will be too weak and stupid to know what to do and their wealth and power will evaporate as competing foreign interests in China, Russia, Middle-East, Indian start to seize the reigns of wealth and power. The Jews will realize their mistake too late that they needed the white men to run their racket and their system isn't going to work with a bunch of non-whites. In the end, we'll persevere through it and feminism will be destroyed. Such is the cycles of civilizations.
That's my hope anyway so let's accelerate. Men need to 100% stop dating women. Stop having kids. Stop having sex. All men should go on a 100% abstinence strike against women. Stop dating them. Stop giving them money. Stop being friends with women. Boycott women entirely.
I think females want to lose all of their rights and become house slaves again.
Idk, I don't really care about them, but if it keeps lurching this way it'll break down into pussyless men revolutionizing society so they can get some.
I can compromise to say both are a bit of an issue worth discussing.
Do not compromise with evil.
Can't both things exist as their own separate issue?
Blaming masturbation or porn is like blaming someone for opening a window on a hot summer's day; therefore, letting flies in because they don't have air conditioning. If you don't want them to open the window then get them air conditioning. Saying the reason they can't get air conditioning is because they have flies in their house from opening the window is bullshit. Get them air conditioning and then they won't open the window and they won't get flies in their house.
I'm not blaming the act of masturbation. I'm concerned with the psychological issue of having it part of your day to day routine. Coom brain is very very much a thing. Why do you think there are so many fucking people financing cam whores? It is fucking over men on a global scale.
Yes, shit women are repelling men from entering into relationships, but so is the issue of succumbing to self gratification by just getting their fix from a distance. The two problems have similar symptoms, but they are also separate diseases.
The discussion is worth having but you're looking at the issue with too much equality lens.
You're going okay women are causing x problem but there's also Y problem that needs to be factored in with equal weight. You have your weights wrong. It's 90% women and 10% other problems so there should be no 50/50 compromise.
Men that seek out virtual whores do so because the men lack a real life whore. Simple as. Every woman has the capability to be any one man's whores. We used to call this a wife. Women simply don't want this role anymore unless they're getting paid insane amounts of money. Money most guys don't have so they turn to virtual mediums to get their fix at a cheaper cost.
We have a supply and demand issue. Given the level of demand for women that men have, women have too limited of a supply. We either need to reduce men's demand or increase women's supply.
Many who target masturbation or porn believe these two things increase men's demand for sex but there's nothing to prove that. If anything, it reduces men's demand for sex. Regardless, why should we even reduce men's demand for sex? Why don't we focus on increasing women's supply?
China had excess females and it didn't work out well
That's not the supply I'm talking about. 1000 rotten apples isn't any better than 10 rotten apples.
We need to force women to stop being fat. We need to force women to exhibit good behavior. We need to improve the quality of our existing women. That's what I mean when I say increase the supply not the quantity.
Also, when? China had excess men not women.