My dad has dementia and will frequently say he wants to die, better off dead. ...And then the next morning he will pester for his daily medication as if taking the pill 15 minutes later one day will be the end of him.
The reality is, talk is cheap and it's easy peasy to say you want to die, and significantly harder to actually commit to your own death, even passively in the sense of refusing treatment.
So no, despite my dad saying he wants to die, he clearly fucking doesn't. Not yet, anyway.
Without intimate details of this woman's state when she was killed, it's difficult for me to say whether this was in accordance with her wishes or not. She understood the question 'do you want to die?', but did she understand the context? Did she know anything else about her situation? Did she understand where she was? Who she was? Did she remember ever making the earlier statement that she wished to be euthanized when the time was right?
Obviously, someone who says they don't want the care home and would prefer death should have the ability to change their mind, but there comes a point where the decision made by that person when their brain was less degraded may have to take primacy over the decisions that brain makes now.
'She resisted', unfortunately, doesn't mean much. My dad physically resists getting dressed in the morning while complaining that he's cold. He physically resists getting the car whilst insisting he come out with me. Why? Because any change in situation - even one he is verbally demanding WHILE HE RESISTS - confuses him. He will say one thing while doing another, the verbal half of his brain completely unaware of what his body is doing.
If you've never dealt with dementia patients, this woman's killing sounds like straight up murder for the family's convenience, and maybe it is, but these articles don't contain enough details.
The big problem, I suspect, is that almost every detail that could have been available to the court will probably be one provided by someone who arguably had an interest in getting rid of her.
I don't oppose euthanasia, and if I end up like my dad, I'll likely sign up for it myself, but it's rather obvious to me that the system is lacking in advocacy for the patient's life.
This is a brilliant response, and I can relate, having to care for a mother in pretty much the same condition as your father.
Worse, I have a brother who seems to believe that she acts the way she does out of laziness, that somehow she could act normal if she just tried harder. This results in unending resentment from both of them and an overall hostile situation I frequently find myself in the middle of. It gets tiresome being the referee, and I find myself often sympathizing with my brother simply because so much of her behavior is extremely aggravating. She also periodically gets on the "I want to die" kick but is at the same time terrified of death and so egotistical she actually weeps at the prospect of her own death. She mourns for herself, if that makes any sense.
I rather wish we were Canadians or had a Sarcopod in the garage . . . but Canada's going overboard with their sinister policy . . . which is beginning to look like some sort of state-managed eugenics program.
To add to this tragedy, look up articles elsewhere. BBC, Independent.
They are all trying to spin this into some "nothing to see here" event.
Non of them mention that she refused, non of them make a point of out how she was drugged instead just mentioning that she was given a sedative like it was routine and benevolent.
Since the consent to euthanasia was conditioned on "when she felt the time was ripe", once her cognitive abilities declined to the point that she could no longer participate in decision making that condition became impossible to meet. The consent should have effectively been revoked then and there.
The fact that they surreptitiously drugged her tells me that they knew they did not have her consent, further reinforced by her physical resistance when she became aware of what they were doing. I'm pretty sure this person would have been convicted in the US; the son in law too. And the civil trial- holy shit, the optics of shoving down a struggling 74-year-old woman so they can jab her with a needle with a lethal poison would make any plaintiff's attorney lick his chops.
Opponents of euthanasia have always said that it's a very short step from voluntary suicide to the state making the decision for you, for which they are roundly mocked as arguing a ridiculous slippery slope. But between this story and Canada actively trying to sell people on getting euthanized, it looks like they were right all along.
Look at Canada, all that's needed is for it to be for the good of the state - dementia healthcare is expensive, you know, just think how many better ways that taxpayer money could be spent!
Why, the minister's official car is a whole eighteen months old! Simply unacceptable!
I believed I was working within the boundaries of the law
Behold the last refuge of the rationalist, nihilist coward. Their only value system is 'I don't want to get in trouble so I want the powerful to rationalise ways for me to do the things I want to do; failing that I want power for myself.'
It just dawned on me that an advance directive had better have a clause stipulating that euthanasia proceed if the person is demented and no longer remembers creating the document.
I totally read this as Doctor Who euthanized a woman with dementia. Wouldn't have been surprised with how that show sounds to be going.
I saw the same and thought the TV propaganda was accelerating really fast now.
But if that was true they would have to find a new person to write the story.
Read some of the Doctor Who New Adventures books from the 90s. He almost certainly did in one of those.
Hell, doesn't anyone remember the 9th doctor episode, "Dalek"? He flat-out thought he genocided the lot of them (and good riddance to them, too.)
If someone is resisting it's not euthanasia.
"We've redefined the term. Pray we don't redefine it further."
From MAID to MAE.
My dad has dementia and will frequently say he wants to die, better off dead. ...And then the next morning he will pester for his daily medication as if taking the pill 15 minutes later one day will be the end of him.
The reality is, talk is cheap and it's easy peasy to say you want to die, and significantly harder to actually commit to your own death, even passively in the sense of refusing treatment.
So no, despite my dad saying he wants to die, he clearly fucking doesn't. Not yet, anyway.
Without intimate details of this woman's state when she was killed, it's difficult for me to say whether this was in accordance with her wishes or not. She understood the question 'do you want to die?', but did she understand the context? Did she know anything else about her situation? Did she understand where she was? Who she was? Did she remember ever making the earlier statement that she wished to be euthanized when the time was right?
Obviously, someone who says they don't want the care home and would prefer death should have the ability to change their mind, but there comes a point where the decision made by that person when their brain was less degraded may have to take primacy over the decisions that brain makes now.
'She resisted', unfortunately, doesn't mean much. My dad physically resists getting dressed in the morning while complaining that he's cold. He physically resists getting the car whilst insisting he come out with me. Why? Because any change in situation - even one he is verbally demanding WHILE HE RESISTS - confuses him. He will say one thing while doing another, the verbal half of his brain completely unaware of what his body is doing.
If you've never dealt with dementia patients, this woman's killing sounds like straight up murder for the family's convenience, and maybe it is, but these articles don't contain enough details.
The big problem, I suspect, is that almost every detail that could have been available to the court will probably be one provided by someone who arguably had an interest in getting rid of her.
I don't oppose euthanasia, and if I end up like my dad, I'll likely sign up for it myself, but it's rather obvious to me that the system is lacking in advocacy for the patient's life.
This is a brilliant response, and I can relate, having to care for a mother in pretty much the same condition as your father.
Worse, I have a brother who seems to believe that she acts the way she does out of laziness, that somehow she could act normal if she just tried harder. This results in unending resentment from both of them and an overall hostile situation I frequently find myself in the middle of. It gets tiresome being the referee, and I find myself often sympathizing with my brother simply because so much of her behavior is extremely aggravating. She also periodically gets on the "I want to die" kick but is at the same time terrified of death and so egotistical she actually weeps at the prospect of her own death. She mourns for herself, if that makes any sense.
I rather wish we were Canadians or had a Sarcopod in the garage . . . but Canada's going overboard with their sinister policy . . . which is beginning to look like some sort of state-managed eugenics program.
To add to this tragedy, look up articles elsewhere. BBC, Independent.
They are all trying to spin this into some "nothing to see here" event.
Non of them mention that she refused, non of them make a point of out how she was drugged instead just mentioning that she was given a sedative like it was routine and benevolent.
Since the consent to euthanasia was conditioned on "when she felt the time was ripe", once her cognitive abilities declined to the point that she could no longer participate in decision making that condition became impossible to meet. The consent should have effectively been revoked then and there.
The fact that they surreptitiously drugged her tells me that they knew they did not have her consent, further reinforced by her physical resistance when she became aware of what they were doing. I'm pretty sure this person would have been convicted in the US; the son in law too. And the civil trial- holy shit, the optics of shoving down a struggling 74-year-old woman so they can jab her with a needle with a lethal poison would make any plaintiff's attorney lick his chops.
Opponents of euthanasia have always said that it's a very short step from voluntary suicide to the state making the decision for you, for which they are roundly mocked as arguing a ridiculous slippery slope. But between this story and Canada actively trying to sell people on getting euthanized, it looks like they were right all along.
The slippery slope is much closer to being an ironclad law of the universe than a fallacy at this point.
It's because the left doesn't have any limiting principles
Dude, this killed a bit of my heart. What a precedent to set, yikes.
What do you mean this is perfectly fine....
Slips money to a doctor to claim suffering of parent
Perfectly fine.....
Euthenizes parent for inheritance
See perfectly fine
Strokes money
Look at Canada, all that's needed is for it to be for the good of the state - dementia healthcare is expensive, you know, just think how many better ways that taxpayer money could be spent!
Why, the minister's official car is a whole eighteen months old! Simply unacceptable!
Behold the last refuge of the rationalist, nihilist coward. Their only value system is 'I don't want to get in trouble so I want the powerful to rationalise ways for me to do the things I want to do; failing that I want power for myself.'
It just dawned on me that an advance directive had better have a clause stipulating that euthanasia proceed if the person is demented and no longer remembers creating the document.
Guess they don't have to wait for their credit to improve to get land now.
I wonder if we can do that to the doctor. Perhaps mess up the euthanization somewhat, paralyze them, make them truly feel what they have done.
So they're killing the mentally ill. Just like the Nazis did.
Who knew that Monty Python’s Bring Out Yer Dead sketch was a prophecy?
Bob, start the wood chipper