I'm not religious and I see no problem with this. We are constantly bombarded with pro-gay/trans messages encoded in popular media. Why is that OK, but someone who believes in god and country putting that in their media is not?
It's not like it's some insidious bait and switch, what these books is about is emblazoned in the cover. If you don't want to read them walk away. This is 100 times more honest than having Spiderman randomly extol the virtues of trannies in a comic you thought was going to be about superheroes.
Nice. Took me a moment to realize why someone with faggot flags in their profile was complaining. I love how the freaks always act like people with traditional values that never changed are the ones now acting extreme and dangerous. "Folks, they're destroying our traditional secular LGBBQ culture! Handmaids Tale! Nazis!"
Edit: I didn't even notice xir's tweet said "FOLKS". Kek.
Let me direct your attention over to this thread from a couple hours ago about a movie being released claiming the Bible didn't say anything against homosexuality until 1946.
Saul Alinsky literally codified projection as a primary leftist strategy. You can safely presume that every word out of a leftist’s mouth is both a lie and an admission.
I will say what they used to tell Christians during the days of the Moral Majority. If you don’t like it dont watch. I didn’t even know Berenstein Bears were still around. But even before they had standard values. Also the old book had the hateful line that only women can be mothers and only men can be fathers
Dumb troons have never been about “don’t like it don’t watch it”. They’ve always been “You have to watch and applaud us being mentally ill, or else you’re a bigot.”
It’s not even unique to troons, that gay loser who had a movie a few weeks ago that bombed at the box office basically said if you didn’t see it you were a bigot. Based on the numbers not even one percent of homos went and watched it.
Oh yea, and if you would’ve tried to explain to him that gay romance and heavily gay movies aren’t going to appeal to a mass audience due to most people being straight he would probably stick his fingers in his ears and scream
You are right it’s just frustrating that when you tell them to not watch they screech about how “the message” is too important and anything that doesn’t promote it is wrong.
American Protestantism and its consequences have been devastating to Christianity (speaking as one myself).
The way you help your children keep the faith is by teaching apologetics. When they go to college (which they probably shouldn't), if they hear any kind of new argument against God, you have failed as a parent.
Of course, teaching apologetics requires knowing apologetics, which no American does, especially the pastors.
I'd go further and say that if an argument against God can sway your children against God, you have failed.
If the Marxist atheists which staff modern colleges don't allow themselves to be swayed by apologetics to turn towards God, why should Christians allow it to turn them away from God?
To the (small) extent I've started turning back towards the direction of God, it's not because of any apologetics or intellectual exercise. It's because I see obvious good and evil in this world with clear lines being drawn in the sand, and increasingly I'd rather be on the side of good.
I agree, but if your kids have never heard anyone who hates God speak, it will be shocking and possibly titillating. They'll want to know more. You should expose them to these arguments (and frame them as retarded, evil, and stupid) well before they first hear them in the wild.
For me it wasn't the ones who overtly hated God who had an effect on me: it was the intellectuals who feigned indifference.
Apologetics is useful from a pattern recognition standpoint, where if you hear a certain argument you are probably talking to an enemy agent. But looking back to my upbringing, I think there was too much emphasis on the arguments being "wrong" and not enough emphasis on the arguments being "evil". Of course they are going to be both, but at the time you hear an argument you may lack the intelligence or wisdom to see that it is wrong. And when that happens, you need to be able to fall back on "even if this is correct, it is still evil; and I reject it on that basis alone". Even a lot of Christians are uncomfortable rejecting something purely on the basis of good/evil without any sort of intellectual justification.
I would have benefitted from learning how to say "you may be right, and I may be wrong; but regardless I will still serve my Lord".
I’m 42 and grew up non denominational but started going to a Lutheran church a few years ago (one of the conservative branches of Lutheran church) and asked if I could do confirmation with the 6th and 7th graders. They let me and one of the lessons before we graduated was apologetics. Very good lesson. I really didn’t hear about it much growing up I just believed because he did. Reading CS Lewis helps with that understanding as well
CS Lewis, Paul's letters in the NT, and Aquinas, in order of difficulty. If you have kids, LotR can be used allegorically (sorry JRR!) to explore some ideas, though Lewis' fiction is basically purpose-built for that, and are generally easier reads (so you can use them with younger kids).
When you come to understand the 'problem of evil' is a massive, secular cope, you're on your way.
Doug Wilson is a pastor online who tackles modern issues and he is pretty accessible. He'd be more for an adult looking to dig deeper, though he also has home school material i haven't looked at yet.
Get out of denominational churches then. I went to a Church of Christ (no, not the denomination) and most of the "sermons" and classes were just that, or talking about how half of y'all in the congregation were going to hell too because you don't really give a damn about God and his word.
Rough stuff to hear, but probably true. Bible says the Way is straight and narrow, and most who call Gods name at the end of days will be rejected .
I've only met one pastor who had a sufficient grasp of theology and history to deliver those messages.
I've had a pastor tell me to my face that they are cautioned against such messages because modern churches are corporations and they don't want attendance to drop.
European Protestantism is if anything, even worse. Not quite as bad as Episcopalianism or the United Church of Christ, but close enough.
I've said before that if Luther knew that this was what Protestantism would lead to (and I don't mean at all to suggest that the Catholic Church is free of nonsense), he'd become a partisan of the pope more fervent than Johannes Eck.
ZonderKids began publishing Baranstein Bears books with Christian themes in 2008, four years before Jan Baranstein died. Seems like she was alright with this.
Even when I was growing up, the Berenstain Bears seemed like a 'conservative' leaning book series.
This isn't a rape of your childhood with hyper-political dogma. Believe it or not, those concepts are pretty normal for conservative leaning media. It's like complaining that Veggie Tales is pushing Christianity.
You guys have done far worse to Arthur, Sesame Street, and The Magic School Bus.
Frankly, I don't think Arthur was even politicized in any direction. It seemed very normie. Then, all of the sudden, didn't Buster Baxter start espousing CRT a year or so ago?
We can say Sesame Street and The Magic School Bus leaned more leftwards, but it wasn't pushing straight Marxism. They weren't even as bad as Captain Planet.
I'm not religious and I see no problem with this. We are constantly bombarded with pro-gay/trans messages encoded in popular media. Why is that OK, but someone who believes in god and country putting that in their media is not?
It's not like it's some insidious bait and switch, what these books is about is emblazoned in the cover. If you don't want to read them walk away. This is 100 times more honest than having Spiderman randomly extol the virtues of trannies in a comic you thought was going to be about superheroes.
Exactly. It's not for me so I ignore it. Why is that such a hard thing for some people to do?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvc8L_dU97w
At least god and country is wholesome.
Nice. Took me a moment to realize why someone with faggot flags in their profile was complaining. I love how the freaks always act like people with traditional values that never changed are the ones now acting extreme and dangerous. "Folks, they're destroying our traditional secular LGBBQ culture! Handmaids Tale! Nazis!"
Edit: I didn't even notice xir's tweet said "FOLKS". Kek.
It's almost like next they will be screaming about extremists having written a new book called "The Bible"
Let me direct your attention over to this thread from a couple hours ago about a movie being released claiming the Bible didn't say anything against homosexuality until 1946.
Jewish Seperatist Defies Babylon & Rome, Won't Acknowledge Apotheosis of Caesar
It's not like the Berenstain bears were ever about anything but traditional family values.
Yeah I saw his profile, it's 100% a 20 year old faggot.
Saul Alinsky literally codified projection as a primary leftist strategy. You can safely presume that every word out of a leftist’s mouth is both a lie and an admission.
Didn't that piece of shit dedicate his book to Lucifer?
Yup.
I will say what they used to tell Christians during the days of the Moral Majority. If you don’t like it dont watch. I didn’t even know Berenstein Bears were still around. But even before they had standard values. Also the old book had the hateful line that only women can be mothers and only men can be fathers
Dumb troons have never been about “don’t like it don’t watch it”. They’ve always been “You have to watch and applaud us being mentally ill, or else you’re a bigot.”
It’s not even unique to troons, that gay loser who had a movie a few weeks ago that bombed at the box office basically said if you didn’t see it you were a bigot. Based on the numbers not even one percent of homos went and watched it.
Oh yea, and if you would’ve tried to explain to him that gay romance and heavily gay movies aren’t going to appeal to a mass audience due to most people being straight he would probably stick his fingers in his ears and scream
You are right it’s just frustrating that when you tell them to not watch they screech about how “the message” is too important and anything that doesn’t promote it is wrong.
What do these look like in the Berenstein universe?
Exactly the same, but nobody complains.
American Protestantism and its consequences have been devastating to Christianity (speaking as one myself).
The way you help your children keep the faith is by teaching apologetics. When they go to college (which they probably shouldn't), if they hear any kind of new argument against God, you have failed as a parent.
Of course, teaching apologetics requires knowing apologetics, which no American does, especially the pastors.
I'd go further and say that if an argument against God can sway your children against God, you have failed.
If the Marxist atheists which staff modern colleges don't allow themselves to be swayed by apologetics to turn towards God, why should Christians allow it to turn them away from God?
To the (small) extent I've started turning back towards the direction of God, it's not because of any apologetics or intellectual exercise. It's because I see obvious good and evil in this world with clear lines being drawn in the sand, and increasingly I'd rather be on the side of good.
I agree, but if your kids have never heard anyone who hates God speak, it will be shocking and possibly titillating. They'll want to know more. You should expose them to these arguments (and frame them as retarded, evil, and stupid) well before they first hear them in the wild.
For me it wasn't the ones who overtly hated God who had an effect on me: it was the intellectuals who feigned indifference.
Apologetics is useful from a pattern recognition standpoint, where if you hear a certain argument you are probably talking to an enemy agent. But looking back to my upbringing, I think there was too much emphasis on the arguments being "wrong" and not enough emphasis on the arguments being "evil". Of course they are going to be both, but at the time you hear an argument you may lack the intelligence or wisdom to see that it is wrong. And when that happens, you need to be able to fall back on "even if this is correct, it is still evil; and I reject it on that basis alone". Even a lot of Christians are uncomfortable rejecting something purely on the basis of good/evil without any sort of intellectual justification.
I would have benefitted from learning how to say "you may be right, and I may be wrong; but regardless I will still serve my Lord".
I’m 42 and grew up non denominational but started going to a Lutheran church a few years ago (one of the conservative branches of Lutheran church) and asked if I could do confirmation with the 6th and 7th graders. They let me and one of the lessons before we graduated was apologetics. Very good lesson. I really didn’t hear about it much growing up I just believed because he did. Reading CS Lewis helps with that understanding as well
Lewis should be required reading in any church.
Agreed. We read Mere Christianity in one of our Bible study groups. As a kid my mom made me read Screwtape Letters and Pilgrims Progress by Bunyan
this is an important point
And I wouldn't even know where to begin.
CS Lewis, Paul's letters in the NT, and Aquinas, in order of difficulty. If you have kids, LotR can be used allegorically (sorry JRR!) to explore some ideas, though Lewis' fiction is basically purpose-built for that, and are generally easier reads (so you can use them with younger kids).
When you come to understand the 'problem of evil' is a massive, secular cope, you're on your way.
Doug Wilson is a pastor online who tackles modern issues and he is pretty accessible. He'd be more for an adult looking to dig deeper, though he also has home school material i haven't looked at yet.
Get out of denominational churches then. I went to a Church of Christ (no, not the denomination) and most of the "sermons" and classes were just that, or talking about how half of y'all in the congregation were going to hell too because you don't really give a damn about God and his word.
Rough stuff to hear, but probably true. Bible says the Way is straight and narrow, and most who call Gods name at the end of days will be rejected .
I've only met one pastor who had a sufficient grasp of theology and history to deliver those messages.
I've had a pastor tell me to my face that they are cautioned against such messages because modern churches are corporations and they don't want attendance to drop.
Our pastor says fairly often that "Not everyone who sings about heaven is going there."
And the more and more I hear about some of the churches and "preachers" from people here? The more I thank God for blessing us with the one we have.
European Protestantism is if anything, even worse. Not quite as bad as Episcopalianism or the United Church of Christ, but close enough.
I've said before that if Luther knew that this was what Protestantism would lead to (and I don't mean at all to suggest that the Catholic Church is free of nonsense), he'd become a partisan of the pope more fervent than Johannes Eck.
The troon flags hate the only country that tolerates them and their garbage.
ZonderKids began publishing Baranstein Bears books with Christian themes in 2008, four years before Jan Baranstein died. Seems like she was alright with this.
Ooh now I know what to add to my shopping list.
Even as an effective Anti-Theist, I don't get it.
Even when I was growing up, the Berenstain Bears seemed like a 'conservative' leaning book series.
This isn't a rape of your childhood with hyper-political dogma. Believe it or not, those concepts are pretty normal for conservative leaning media. It's like complaining that Veggie Tales is pushing Christianity.
You guys have done far worse to Arthur, Sesame Street, and The Magic School Bus.
Frankly, I don't think Arthur was even politicized in any direction. It seemed very normie. Then, all of the sudden, didn't Buster Baxter start espousing CRT a year or so ago?
We can say Sesame Street and The Magic School Bus leaned more leftwards, but it wasn't pushing straight Marxism. They weren't even as bad as Captain Planet.
Trannies don't like pro-humans.
cope seethe and die, faggot.
lmao toxic fan