Like, I appreciate that the Overton Window shifts, but there’s no way this shit is organic…
It’s everywhere, now. Not just college campuses. Not just the internet. Not just cable news. In urban Australia, it is almost literally inescapable (unless you never turn on the TV, never use a streaming service, never read the news, and practically never leave your suburb).
It’s… Bizarre. And people have become afraid to speak out, or question it.
Hell, I even know some of my own family members (and family friends) have started to “adopt” political positions fundamentally at odds to the beliefs they claimed to hold, less than a decade ago… So much so that it takes getting them in a one-on-one, face to face situation to admit they secretly don’t believe what they pretend to, when around the rest of the family, or that they secretly don’t believe that the endless boosters and masks will “protect” them from this virus that everyone around me claims to still fear…
It’s… I don’t think I’ve ever seen society be this… Conformist, and cowed, and fundamentally… “Degenerate”.
Honestly, from where I sit, it feels like the loudmouth activists have won, and “we”/normies have fundamentally lost.
It’s fucking disillusioning AF. Just look at any “documentary” that covers how things have “changed” in the last 2-3 decades. I promise you, you’ll see the trend…
Something’s gotta give. Society can only bend so far left before it a) breaks, or b) snaps back.
More and more this feels like the last days of Athens/Rome/Constantinople. I very much doubt we have the technology and wherewithal to prevent a similar collapse.
Stay sane, y’all. I’m not sure how much longer I can keep pushing back, for what that’s worth…
I can give some insights to how it happened. Right after Obama won his election, the news stations sent out letters congratulating and celebrating the win as if it was by their hand. Anyone who got creeped out by that quit and did something else. Their replacements were eager bendable just graduated journalism students. The entire journalistic output changed.
I'm guessing something like this happens every few years, but the Obama one had a lot more quitting. It's a dying field with a lot of people who want to be in it. So, the insane rules get more insane, and anyone smart enough to get it leaves.
I’ve never seen such media cheerleading as the 08 election
Sure, but it’s interesting that this has happened across the entire (main) Anglosphere at roughly the same time…
Also all Germanic countries, and to a lesser extent in France. Much less so in the rest of Europe (mostly. There are exceptions, like Slovakia and Slovenia), and most of the non-Anglo continents (of course, Japan, Taiwan and Korea are exceptions to that), but it’s like… A fucking mind virus, when it comes to the Anglosphere “block”, lol, and that’s what, half a billion people..?
Where America goes, the rest of the Western world follows.
Thinking about this further: there must be a point on the (highly biased, of course) HDI wherein a country becomes like this. Because virtually every single “woke” country is highly “developed”, with extremely low birth rates…
That’s about the only things they have in common, though. Non-majority black, moderate to high latitude, post-industrial (lol, postmodern more like), rich, and highly “developed”…
Fun times…
I’ve often considered going somewhere like Poland or Uruguay for these exact reasons. Though Uruguay at least will be just the same, in a few years…
I look at it the way I view World War I. The reality was the empires were shrinking, and all they had was each other's land. So, they waited for a reason to have a giant war to take over the other empires.
Now look at today. Almost every reason why many things exist are shrinking, but the people in those news stations, schools, and printers need a reason to keep going. They are rallying to take over each other, and use whatever political excuse they have to do so. It has nothing to do with LGBT racism or sexism, and more to do with keeping power.
Around 2006 when we entered the great recession, I saw how all of the companies and business platforms being destroyed were for older out moded ideas. The entire era is those businesses trying to stay in power, and take over their own replacements.
Journalism doesn't need a station, a newspaper anymore. They were a major wing of thought control. A lot of money and political power went into it to control the narrative. With all that being destroyed, the power is also destroyed. Those with that power still want to weld it, so they make up wars, rumours of war, and plagues to control the populace. This gives them power through the methods they desire.
As more and more old ideas are entered into this era of disruption, we see them join in on the big scare tactics.
False, journalism has always been for worm liars. There are centuries old quotes about this.
It revealed that we cannot allow the media to have so much power.
It's a shifting of the Estates. Where once we had the Nobility, now we have the Merchants who want to take their place; Hollywood and the news journalists want to be the new Priesthood (the Priesthood being the messengers of Political Correctness for the Nobility.)
It's a new kind of Feudalism. And the queen's death will mark that final change from the old to the new, and just wait for all the shit to hit the fan real quick after that. Democracy - leadership by the lawyer class - was just an interim trick.
The real question is, when did this changeover really start? Long before the 20th century, that's for sure.
Processes like that take a long time.
Something that I recently realized is that a lot of normies have zero clue whatsoever that society is fundamentally changing. They know something is going wrong, but they can't really figure out what it is, and they don't know any details.
For example, my normie-conservative mother-in-law had no idea about drag storytimes or drag kids, even though Desmond is Amazing was so mainstream that he was on Good Morning America a few years ago. She just could not bring herself to believe me about the prevalence of this stuff until I showed her pictures and news articles. Then she became viscerally upset about those poor kids, far moreso than I've ever been. That is when I realized how desensitized that I and the other people here have become. We all understand that this is pure evil that must be stopped, but we see so much of it, that we lose sight of just how incomprehensibly evil this is to older generations.
Basically, they replaced clowns for drag queens.
No one would have batted an eye at a generalized "dressup story time", where the storyteller was dressed in an appropriate manner to whatever was being read. But why does it have to be drag queens?
I know what you mean and don't understand how people get that way. Average house prices has gone up 5 fold in the last 20 years. If that's purely due to inflation (and there's probably some immigration population increase at play), the dollar has lost 80 percent of its buying power in less than a generation.
This has been going on for a hundred years and, as long as you buy anything, can't possibly be missed. How is anyone not mad all the time?
Oh, some of them know. I brought up my dismay about the state of the world a couple years ago (when everyone was still freaking out) while I was talking with my parents, and my mother basically shrugged and said "The world is changing", as if it's just how it is like the sun rises every morning and we're all just powerless to stop it.
I wonder how far the normies will have to be pushed before they start going "You know, this isn't okay.", like, do they need to rape babies on live TV? Somehow I can still picture that cold indifference even to that.
"A basement full of dead children, I dont care" - Sam Harris
For me, it's less about covid and more about neoliberalism in general. Every person I know is a neoliberal. Obviously, my deep blue co-workers. But my republican parents: neolibs. My pastor with the marksmanship hobby: neolib. My homesteading friends: neolibs.
They all "know something is wrong" but can't even imagine considering that it could be the assumptions of equality, corporate-run government, non-violent society, and consumer lifestyle (let alone ethnic groups that are over-represented in pushing same).
I only have so many ways to tell them that a 'solution' that changes not one thing isn't a solution.
There's lots of people who realize the problems though. I know a number irl. All of them though are busy lying. It's like living in North Korea. You can't be successful in career or women if you don't tout the party line so they do. If you encounter these people in your day-to-day, they aren't going to drop you "hints" that they're smarter than they are because doing so only reveals their lack of intelligence. They're going to keep the act on 24/7 and it's going to be impenetrable. You're going to come away thinking they've drank the Koolaid but they really haven't. Everyone I work with for example thinks I took the COVID vaccine but I didn't. Why would I ever admit the truth to anyone and risk my job?
When I tell people how I truly feel about things, it only leads to bad results. This is my 40th account or so on the .win/scored/tdw community because I can't even tell people here how I truly feel about things before it upsets an admin/mod. You think I can get away telling people irl?
You've touched on all the main points, so I know you know but for fun try elaborating what you mean by ethnic groups over represented and you'll get banned from this community. A lot more people know then you realize but most lie and keep the act going. They say what they're supposed to say and try really really hard to never reveal the fact they have a different opinion than what is acceptable by the mainstream.
Separate reply for a different topic:
I feel like there's a lot of (((noticing))) that happens here. Do people really get banned for talking about kikes?
I can see them getting banned for "race war now" type stuff under the retarded "no violence" rule, but I thought JQ stuff is usually decently received.
I've used all the main buzzwords, we'll see what happens to this post.
Alternatively, if you have more extreme opinions than that, I would love to hear them. Does this site have DMs?
Oh, you can use your brackets and tell people to check the early life. That's fine. Post anything more than that such as evidence for genetic differences that lead toward predispositions toward certain behaviors in order to start building a scientific and believable case why the brackets matter and you'll start to rattle some feathers. See, from the perspective of those who don't know, when they see people pointing out Jews for the sake of Jews, it actually only helps to fuel the sentiment that anti-Semites are irrational bigots. Post something concrete as to why their views might actually be right and that becomes a problem. If you have any direct questions, feel free to DM me. It does exist on this forum.
I want to believe what you're saying is true for larger society, but I don't think it is for my circle. The absolute tamest topic you can be truthful about is that women and men are different. I've had conversations where people nod along re: trannies, wage gap, and upper body strength, but then pull the ejector if you go one step further and suggest that women are morally inferior to men and women should be Biblically subservient to their husbands (not even going full anti-19th).
The liberal assumption of equality is so deeply ingrained, they can't fathom giving it up, even though they agree it's completely unfounded socially, intellectually, and physically.
Man, women and men differences is probably the most mainstream of topics where you'll get much more bite. Even my 60yo father who is a self described socialist is starting to say things to me like "I think you're right, women in the workforce hasn't been good". My uncle just told me a month ago that the reason there's a doctor shortage in many western countries is because they keep training female doctors and the women then only work 1-3 days a week if they even work at all. The entire doctor shortage would be prevented if they only trained men. These are huge leaps and bounds ahead of what you could say 10 years ago. Reality in this regard can't be ignored.
Part of the problem could be age group. I find if you talk to young adults, most especially around college age, that they are knee deep in equality propaganda and are desperate for women they still think bluepill simping is the way to go. Just give them a little more experience and they're right back at as truthful as you want to be. I routinely say things like "women have no inherent moral concious, only men do and men must control women in order to create a moral society" and while I get people disagreeing with me, I rarely get people getting too upset over it, besides women of course but hopefully you don't discuss anything with women. It's like talking to your cat on how to improve your living situation.
You know that is interesting. I find the upper class is extremely aware of that and based, normies go hard to the neoliberal side though.
I was born in the 80's. People on our side have been pushing back for decades and we are still losing ground. We continue to lose because we're not fighting against political powers, but against the natural depravity of man.
The Left wins by exploiting the worst aspects of human nature, telling people they can be free from consequences and responsibility, buying their vote by giving them free stuff, and giving a platform to evil and degenerate people while persecuting good people. The Left continues to win because people are wicked and degenerate themselves. The only way to stop this is for people to repent and change their ways, and nobody on our side has the ability to make this happen, it has to be arrived at naturally or by an act of God. The most we can do is focus on our local communities and families and try to make sure we are insulated from the inevitable judgement that is coming to America for this degeneracy.
A very large amount of people will not behave morally unless they are forced to by society. That's why "democracy" is such a farce, and why every society decays and rots soon after adopting universal suffrage.
What's the libertarian counterargument for this premise?
If maximal liberty is best but the average citizen will always lean towards degeneracy, how is this addressed and balanced?
They don't really have one, they're an intellectually bankrupt philosophy that fails to account for, and thus is paralyzed against bad faith actors.
Further, I didn't say the average citizen. The average person will go along to get along. But a large amount of people are never going to behave unless the consequences for not doing so are severe.
What I'm talking about is a moral society that policies itself from a desire to stay a moral society. Maximize liberty without permitting evil to flourish, via the simple admission that being and doing evil is not a right, but a crime.
Which is in itself the idea behind the concept of illegality anyway, something every society accepts and acts on. We're merely talking about dialing some things back that used to be crimes, and should be once again.
I like libertarianism, a lot. But this is one of the things that I have a problem with. Hell, libertarians can't even agree with each other on what makes a libertarian. Some, like me, are in favor of some limits especially concerning drugs, while others want practically no rules at all.
The biggest problem though, is that at its core, libertarianism is an individualistic ideology, and that means that it is inherently difficult to come together as a group to solve problems or counter outside threats. Meanwhile, collectivists like liberals/commies/etc, are able to do that automatically by their own nature.
It's basically the problem that the right is having in America right now, where there is little real organization, and no real way for them to stand up to liberals or the federal government, whereas liberals can set up huge protests, marches, or riots in mere days, and they march in lockstep in terms of getting laws passed regardless of the legality or legitimacy.
One of the things I begrudgingly respect China for is their ability to get things done when they want to, even if it isn't done well. Unlike the right in America, China doesn't bother asking if things are the right thing to do, or whether it's moral, they just do it. No concern for the opposite party members (though it helps that there are none over there).
The problem the right in America has was deliberate. Buckley was a leftist and a sodomite, whose ideology was designed to create impotent opposition to the left.
That's why the so called conservatives have never conserved anything. Because they were designed not to. There is no path to victory while clinging to an ideology of constant retreat.
It is the state that favors and cultivates this degeneracy because immoral people are easier to control and enslave.
I was promised Right Wing Deathsquads and goddamnit I wanna see deathsquads!
Became? No friend, tbey've always been that way.
The mask is just off now.
yeah its fucking terrible.
i was just reading about ps5 news yesterday, and there was a tweet linked, https://twitter.com/FwPs5/status/1567435318600814593
the last hashtag is completely unnecessary, but the faggots put it in there anyway.
Western culture started to degenerate decades ago. The flowers were cut long ago. What you're seeing now is the fruits of past generations.
This has been a long time coming. Feminists have been indoctrinating the population for at least a generation or two.
It was always there in the background. It's just recently metastasised to stage 4 cancer.
People don't have beliefs, they have a slot the elite plug their beliefs into.We have a problem with our elites.
I used to wonder how people of Carthage could willingly throw their children into a brass statue and roast them alive. I don't wonder any more. They did so with great eagerness and joy.
The maximum length of time Human civilizations exist is on an approx. ~24,000 year time scale:
https://communities.win/c/GreatAwakening/p/15HbbX33Kv/calamities-on-the-earth-occur-cy/c
-24,000 years ago, something happened to kick off an ice age
-12,000 years ago a cosmic impact abruptly ended this ice age (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas_impact_hypothesis)
We literally are “coming due” for another harvest
Why are you being downvoted? Is natural inevitability too much of a blackpill for people to swallow?
Check /new, I made a whole thread on the topic and a brand new account u/tardman was created for the sole purpose of sliding it
The post was made in response to the OP’s statements about the impending collapse of civilization. I am attempting to explain the accelerationism and wanton disregard for the future by our ruling “elites”.
Milankovic cycles are a minor part of this, you should watch the video I linked below, far more relavent seem to be cosmic impacts.
If our "elites" would care about future at all, they would prop space exploration to try to prevent the future catastrophe.
Because a catastrophic cosmic impact is not a cyclical problem. The threat of a cosmic impact is, so long as the object doesn't come so close to Earth that either meaningfully disturbs the other's orbit, but once the asteroid has actually hit the Earth it is no longer a sword of Damocles hanging over your head.
It literally is a cyclical problem, watch the video - that’s why anatomically modern humans have existed for ~300,000 years yet “history” only started 12,000 years ago (last impact)
History begins when humans start maintaining a historical record. You are suggesting that the last impact destroyed the existing historical artifacts, and despite humans starting to create new cultural artifacts soon after, none of those cultural artifacts recorded the fact that their previous cultural artifacts had just been destroyed.
And all of this is despite the more plausible explanation - that people simply hadn't started creating historical artifacts before that point - is backed up by the fact that such cultures have continued to exist all the way up to European colonisation.
90% of humans live within a few miles of a coastline. Catastrophic changes in weather/water levels/etc are going to do a number on any “historical artifacts” that make it through the firestorm from the impact.
Literally almost every civilizations foundational myth includes these claims of “we are the remnants of a once great power, what was left after calamity”. Greeks, Egyptians, Indians (both feather and dot), and so on. The “world flood” myth is another omnipresent one. Just because you call them “myth” doesn’t mean those cultures didn’t call them “historical record”.
Did Jesus come down and erase all the previous signs of a progressed civilization while Satan was up secretly planting dinosaur bones to confuse people?
Because we have dinosaur bones. But apparently things much MUCH more recent than dinosaur bones, we don't even have a shadow of a trace of, and you're arguing this makes sense and is logical.
Our constructs will last millions of years, some of them. Not many, but enough that five thousand centuries from now, even if every volcano on Earth erupts while a meteor hits simultaneously, even our mere hundred years of industrialization impact will be marked until the Earth's death. The KT event is visible on the rock faces 'til the end of Earthly time, so too is our existence.
Humans are greater than you imagine.
Anatomically modern humans have existed for ~300,000 years. According to your world view, history started 12,000 years ago. What were your ancestors doing for 288,000 years? Jerking off in caves? Because that wouldn’t surprise me
You're arguing (para)psychology in what is, ultimately, a physics question.
Explain the physics of your claim that something is causing all physical evidence to disappear into the aether while physical evidence of other things in the same or longer timeframes is maintained and continues to exist, or else disappear yourself.
-90% of humans live within a few miles of a coastline
-we’re discussing a cosmic impact, in the form of either a large body or large coronal mass ejection (world wide fire storm) followed by massive sea level changes as glaciers flash-melt
-potentially increased solar radiation levels at the surface from weakened magnetic field and CMEs
-all humans are either killed by mega tsunamis or driven into caves to survive
-all human coastal settlements face ~1000-12,000 years of being buried under feet of salty brine, mud, and sediment (construction steel wouldn’t even come close to surviving this - assuming these prior civilizations chose to mass produce steel, which is not part of the discussion I was starting, the level or direction of technological advancement of these ancient cultures is to be determined [though their mastery of astrology and construction efforts like the Great Pyramid indicate something interesting], their existence is the nearly indisputable fact)
Anyway, the science and geology is all there, it’s up to you to determine if you think it’s believable that anatomically modern humans were content to live in caves jerking off for 288,000 years, or if there are things that “modern science” just isn’t aware of yet on a mass (popular) scale
Lol, I see. A combination of ignorance and denial. The ice ages, volcanic eruptions, and meteoritic impacts are only the side effects of the disturbance. There are survivors from ages past who at least at one time probably could have been considered human.
Excellent short (15m) video on the subject:
*** Why is There NO Record of Ancient Humans? - Randall Carlson***
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F-d4zfovcog