Before Russia's invasion and since, Zelensky has abolished basic liberties: shuttered opposition media, outlawed parties, imprisoned dissidents.
As Ukraine demands money and arms from the West, they now want to export this repression to our countries with McCarthyite blacklists:
You can see the full Ukrainian blacklist, obtained by
@unherd. Beyond the individuals listed above, officially maligned are @JeffDSachs, @RandPaul, former Brazil President @LulaOficial, Col. Douglas MacGregor, Caleb Maupin, Marine LePen and many others:
It takes extreme audacity for Zelansky and his henchmen to go around the world demanding other nations send massive amounts of weapons and money to him, then try to suppress dissent in our countries by smearing journalists and citizens who question. My full statement to @unherd: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1551572918282354689
The United States and UK did all the same things in WW2. Even now, the US is legally allowed to suspend habeas corpus in times of war. Don't think for 1 second that if we had Chinese hordes occupying a significant part of our country and trying to conquer the rest, that the US wouldn't be even more restrictive than Ukraine is being.
And we'd be right to do so. Existential war is no time to make a priority of civil liberties.
Even now, the US is legally allowed to suspend habeas corpus in times of war.
Where in the constitution is this stated? Just because Lincoln did it doesn't make it legal (and, by the way, fuck Lincoln for doing it).
Existential war is no time to make a priority of civil liberties.
It's exactly the time to make a priority of civil liberties. Your argument is precisely the one all the Branch Covidians were using to justify their illegal excesses since 2020.
"Omg muh emergency means I can trample all over you." How about NO.
Literally the only place habeas is mentioned in it: "The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus_in_the_United_States
It's exactly the time to make a priority of civil liberties.
maybe im a Zelensky supporter, would i be a "stormfag" then?
No, but you'd be an idiot. I don't think arguing whether Zelensky is a Nazi or part of the Jews or part of any group at this point is worth it. He's human trash and his country is garbage.
It's funny how they choose the words to attach to people to the right of them. "Gay", "cuck". It's the left being unable to meme all over again, but within the right.
He also has almost no real history until this call out.
So either this is some wierd discord op circlejerk, or its somebody on an alt that isn't obvious to the rest of us. Which would make some sense as we do have a handful of people who just scream "stormfag" like that, but it all just seems like petty gay drama.
The list does not explain what the consequences are for anyone mentioned. The exact criteria for inclusion are also unclear, although next to each name the report lists the “pro Russian” opinions the individual promotes.
I don't understand how this helps win the war. I was a little sympathetic with his regime for imprisoning government officials, commandeering local media, and even enforcing conscription on Ukrainian men, but this is the silly kind of power flexing that Russia would do.
The EU actually created a site supposedly exposing 'fake news', but which then turned out to be accurate. They claimed things like "Ukraine is not actually corrupt". Then when their lies were exposed, they memoryholed it. It's a while ago, so my memory may not be 100%.
I was a little sympathetic with his regime for imprisoning government officials, commandeering local media, and even enforcing conscription on Ukrainian men
But why ?
He's been a total jackass since day 1 to me. The only reason he has US backing is because there's a Biden money train in his backyard. No one else benefits from helping that shithole.
Not very different to what Russia is doing and did. Since there are no independent media left in Russia, nor can you say that this is a war there without spending some time in a prison.
What evidence would you accept? Russia has passed sweeping legislation creating long prison sentences for vague charges such as spreading fake claims. They also insist the "operation" isn't a war or an invasion. Whether or not any particular individual is prosecuted, put together, this sends a clear, chilling message.
Yes, governments targeting 'false claims' is always a bad idea, as we have ample evidence for in the West. Still, it's a better fig-leaf than "people say stuff we don't like", so they use it anyway.
Yes, it does send a 'chilling message'. But you can't go around claiming that "in Russia" you go to jail for calling what Imp calls "the women's war" a war. Not without citing even a single instance.
Yes, the first two are anti-war comments, which I can see even in the comments, not just referring to the war as a war.
The third one is "Radio Free Europe", which is USG-funded propaganda, and which in the story claims someone who insulted Putin and told him to burn in hell.
Is there even a single instance of someone even arrested for calling it a 'war'? Even the woman who protested live on air got nothing more than a fine.
Oleg Mammadov, an activist and member of Russia's Libertarian Party, is just one of a growing number of people across the country who have been punished in the wake of new stringent laws that effectively criminalize all criticism of Putin's war.
As of mid-May, Russian authorities had opened at least 1,938 cases of "discrediting the armed forces," according to OVD-Info, a watchdog group that that tracks the number of arrests in Russia, Radio Free Europe reported.
Russian politician and ex-candidate for the State Duma Mikhail Lobanov was also detained for 15 days for "discrediting" the country's military on his social media networks. He was ordered to pay a fine of 40,000 rubles.
And yet the advocates of "freedom and democracy Libya-style" were saying that she'd surely be tortured and jailed, perhaps even poisoned with polonium.
The question was not whether it's a "problem", however you define that. The question was whether people are jailed for calling the war a war. So far, not one example.
Maybe I wasn't clear, a person is jailed or fined for referring this war as a war(even protesting against it) , and saying anything against the government approved "facts".
The price replacing lady is in jail now for instance.
Authoritarian measures in times of war are very common. In fact, Germany is threatening anyone who uses the Z symbol, even though it's not even at war. So some of these measures by Ukraine can be understood, even if that is not a justification.
What does grind my gears is the sheer arrogance and entitlement that they have. They go around imagining that the world owes them something. (Well, maybe they do, because this puppet country has its people literally dying for American imperialism.) Not just the Americans either, but other countries as well, who did not ask them to get embroiled in a way, and who have already suffered tremendously because of the 'sanctions' that the self-serving regime ruling classes imposed at the cost of their own populations.
And this is yet another example of Ukraine interfering with other countries while demanding "sovereignty" from Russia.
This is not a "blacklist" in any reasonable sense. It's just a report the CPD issued which lists people who have been pushing pro-Russia narratives. It has no legal effect.
Their country is being ruthlessly attacked by Russia so of course they're concerned about foreigners who appear to be justifying the invasion.
All European countries censor, by the way, as there is no free speech there. That isn't good but doesn't make them Nazis.
It's a bit of a stretch to say that visa blacklists are a "Nazi" trait. Literally every country does them.
It is every country's sovereign right to control their immigration rules and make any and all restrictions they deem necessary. Nobody has a right to visit any other country unless that country has made bilateral agreements.
Rand Paul was weird one. He's consistently opposed us getting into this fucking mess and sending money over. It's like Zelensky has no idea Rand Paul is an actual fiscal conservative.
Glenn Greenwald's reply: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1551571483239108608
Before Russia's invasion and since, Zelensky has abolished basic liberties: shuttered opposition media, outlawed parties, imprisoned dissidents.
As Ukraine demands money and arms from the West, they now want to export this repression to our countries with McCarthyite blacklists:
You can see the full Ukrainian blacklist, obtained by @unherd. Beyond the individuals listed above, officially maligned are @JeffDSachs, @RandPaul, former Brazil President @LulaOficial, Col. Douglas MacGregor, Caleb Maupin, Marine LePen and many others:
It takes extreme audacity for Zelansky and his henchmen to go around the world demanding other nations send massive amounts of weapons and money to him, then try to suppress dissent in our countries by smearing journalists and citizens who question. My full statement to @unherd: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1551572918282354689
Former and almost certainly next President.
According to GG, Brazil has one of the best diplomatic corps in the world, and it would likely play a key role in a negotiated settlement.
Unless the powers that be want to prevent that.
Brazil is also way up there in military power. Brazil is often overlooked, but is a actually quite the powerhouse in many respects.
The United States and UK did all the same things in WW2. Even now, the US is legally allowed to suspend habeas corpus in times of war. Don't think for 1 second that if we had Chinese hordes occupying a significant part of our country and trying to conquer the rest, that the US wouldn't be even more restrictive than Ukraine is being.
And we'd be right to do so. Existential war is no time to make a priority of civil liberties.
Where in the constitution is this stated? Just because Lincoln did it doesn't make it legal (and, by the way, fuck Lincoln for doing it).
It's exactly the time to make a priority of civil liberties. Your argument is precisely the one all the Branch Covidians were using to justify their illegal excesses since 2020.
"Omg muh emergency means I can trample all over you." How about NO.
Literally the only place habeas is mentioned in it: "The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus_in_the_United_States
okbuddyACLU
I stand corrected. (However, that's supposed to only be invoked via Congress, not by illegal presidential decree as Lincoln did.)
A stupid response on its face since the ACLU of 2022 would agree with you, not me.
how about it u/shadypollster is Zelensky a "stormfag" "nazfag"?
Rent free. Stay triggered stormfag.
lol, maybe im a Zelensky supporter, would i be a "stormfag" then?
No, but you'd be an idiot. I don't think arguing whether Zelensky is a Nazi or part of the Jews or part of any group at this point is worth it. He's human trash and his country is garbage.
Rent free. Keep seething.
lol, the guy who calls people "stormfag" is an actual nazi supporter. who would have thought?
"I know you are but what am I"
Livin' rent free in a stormfag's head...gotta say, it's pretty empty in here. Smells like failure and welfare check stubs.
lol the actual "stormfag" supporter calling people a "stormfag".
this site is becoming Reddit 2.0.
what a joke
It's funny how they choose the words to attach to people to the right of them. "Gay", "cuck". It's the left being unable to meme all over again, but within the right.
Are you one of those "anti-idpol" Zionists types?
I'm a simple dude. I just dislike faggots.
You don't seem very popular on a board that detests faggots
He also has almost no real history until this call out.
So either this is some wierd discord op circlejerk, or its somebody on an alt that isn't obvious to the rest of us. Which would make some sense as we do have a handful of people who just scream "stormfag" like that, but it all just seems like petty gay drama.
Globalist thug giving up the game.
Battle lines are crystallizing.
I don't understand how this helps win the war. I was a little sympathetic with his regime for imprisoning government officials, commandeering local media, and even enforcing conscription on Ukrainian men, but this is the silly kind of power flexing that Russia would do.
It's actually the kind of thing the EU does.
Them too. If we're talking about banning someone from the country for their opinions even the UK does it.
The EU actually created a site supposedly exposing 'fake news', but which then turned out to be accurate. They claimed things like "Ukraine is not actually corrupt". Then when their lies were exposed, they memoryholed it. It's a while ago, so my memory may not be 100%.
But why ?
He's been a total jackass since day 1 to me. The only reason he has US backing is because there's a Biden money train in his backyard. No one else benefits from helping that shithole.
Not very different to what Russia is doing and did. Since there are no independent media left in Russia, nor can you say that this is a war there without spending some time in a prison.
This is a widely repeated claim for which I have seen no evidence, and plenty of counter-evidence.
What evidence would you accept? Russia has passed sweeping legislation creating long prison sentences for vague charges such as spreading fake claims. They also insist the "operation" isn't a war or an invasion. Whether or not any particular individual is prosecuted, put together, this sends a clear, chilling message.
https://www.9news.com.au/world/russia-to-punish-fake-war-reports-with-15-years-in-prison/6e85f742-6561-45f4-9f81-63e974093fc5
Yes, governments targeting 'false claims' is always a bad idea, as we have ample evidence for in the West. Still, it's a better fig-leaf than "people say stuff we don't like", so they use it anyway.
Yes, it does send a 'chilling message'. But you can't go around claiming that "in Russia" you go to jail for calling what Imp calls "the women's war" a war. Not without citing even a single instance.
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-war-critics-alexei-gorinov-jailed-7-years-moscow-court-1722998
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/07/08/ukraine-russia-gives-first-prison-sentence-anti-war-remarks/10013552002/
https://www.rferl.org/a/anti-war-russians-face-fines-jail-psychiatric-punishment/31905194.html
Then there's the law Putin signed
https://www.currenttime.tv/a/putin-zakony-feiki/31736694.html
Yes, the first two are anti-war comments, which I can see even in the comments, not just referring to the war as a war.
The third one is "Radio Free Europe", which is USG-funded propaganda, and which in the story claims someone who insulted Putin and told him to burn in hell.
Is there even a single instance of someone even arrested for calling it a 'war'? Even the woman who protested live on air got nothing more than a fine.
Its already a problem when one is fined.
https://reliefweb.int/report/russian-federation/russia-criminalizes-independent-war-reporting-anti-war-protests
https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-legislature-pass-law-punish-false-information-ukraine-jail-time-2022-3
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-introduce-jail-terms-spreading-fake-information-about-army-2022-03-04/
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/07/russia-municipal-councillor-sentenced-to-seven-years-in-jail-for-opposing-the-ukraine-war/
https://www.newsweek.com/russian-party-members-arrested-fined-denouncing-putins-war-ukraine-1720609
And yet the advocates of "freedom and democracy Libya-style" were saying that she'd surely be tortured and jailed, perhaps even poisoned with polonium.
The question was not whether it's a "problem", however you define that. The question was whether people are jailed for calling the war a war. So far, not one example.
Maybe I wasn't clear, a person is jailed or fined for referring this war as a war(even protesting against it) , and saying anything against the government approved "facts".
The price replacing lady is in jail now for instance.
You keep claiming that, but you haven't given even a single example.
Glad to know its okay to do whatever you want, as long as the other side also does it and we don't like them.
Authoritarian measures in times of war are very common. In fact, Germany is threatening anyone who uses the Z symbol, even though it's not even at war. So some of these measures by Ukraine can be understood, even if that is not a justification.
What does grind my gears is the sheer arrogance and entitlement that they have. They go around imagining that the world owes them something. (Well, maybe they do, because this puppet country has its people literally dying for American imperialism.) Not just the Americans either, but other countries as well, who did not ask them to get embroiled in a way, and who have already suffered tremendously because of the 'sanctions' that the self-serving regime ruling classes imposed at the cost of their own populations.
And this is yet another example of Ukraine interfering with other countries while demanding "sovereignty" from Russia.
Just stop with the Not-See stuff. Zelensky is a slur enough
This is not a "blacklist" in any reasonable sense. It's just a report the CPD issued which lists people who have been pushing pro-Russia narratives. It has no legal effect.
Their country is being ruthlessly attacked by Russia so of course they're concerned about foreigners who appear to be justifying the invasion.
All European countries censor, by the way, as there is no free speech there. That isn't good but doesn't make them Nazis.
He actually isnt a nazi. He's just another jew.
It's a bit of a stretch to say that visa blacklists are a "Nazi" trait. Literally every country does them.
It is every country's sovereign right to control their immigration rules and make any and all restrictions they deem necessary. Nobody has a right to visit any other country unless that country has made bilateral agreements.
Multi polar world is whipping the floor with those faggots.
The US should exterminate all neocons/neoliberals and join BRICS
Rand Paul was weird one. He's consistently opposed us getting into this fucking mess and sending money over. It's like Zelensky has no idea Rand Paul is an actual fiscal conservative.
Zelesnky not give a shit about principled American pol. He wants that filthy lucre.
So he is double evil to the Ukrainian government. Its really that simple.
Just wait until you catch him outside and bodyslam the fucker.
Sounds like prediction time. Can you offer one?
In your favorite country Lithuania?
I meant extradition. Come on, don't be afraid, give us your prediction.
You're going to make your prediction about extradition then?
"I don't even know who you are."