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Obi Wan is not good
posted 3 years ago by Mpetey123 3 years ago by Mpetey123 +56 / -0
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– Smith1980 25 points 3 years ago +25 / -0

Haven’t watched it but it sounds like standard Disney. Market a show only to have it be about a different character than the one on the title screen. The EU book Kenobi by John Jackson Miller is a great book that covers that time period.

I did hear Az and Jayne Theory rip it apart.

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– Wizardslayer 12 points 3 years ago +12 / -0

So in Legends pretty much no one knew who Vader actually was outside of Yoda, Kenobi and the Emperor. Tarkin and Thrawn both figured it out on their own.

Even in the new Disney timeline Vader's true identity is supposed to be known to very few people. Once again the Emperor, Tarkin and Thrawn with the last 2 figuring it out. Vader has been known in the new canon to kill people for specifically figuring it or even seeing his face.

But the new canon now is already so bloated and confusing that they're already contradicting themselves and it is only going to get worse with everything being full canon.

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– CarmenOfSandiego 11 points 3 years ago +11 / -0

Vader has been known in the new canon to kill people for specifically figuring it or even seeing his face.

In the 2017 Vader comic he kills every Stormtrooper on a dropship after the Jedi they are trying to catch reveals Vader's identity to them.

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– ghostfox1_ 9 points 3 years ago +11 / -2

The inquisitors didn't exist until disney.

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– CarmenOfSandiego 14 points 3 years ago +14 / -0
  1. Jerec was an Inquisitor.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Jerec_(Inquisitor)

  1. The Inquisition was very much a thing in Legends.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Inquisitorius/Legends

  1. To answer u/Mpetey123 some of them did know who Vader really was.

Malorum [later the first Grand Inquisitor] initially worked as an Imperial Intelligence operative, and along with Director Armand Isard, visited the Jedi Temple in the aftermath of Order 66. There, he saw a hologram of Emperor Palpatine addressing Anakin Skywalker as Lord Vader. Thus, Malorum was one of a few in the Empire—along with Prince Xizor, two decades later—who knew Vader's true identity, although Vader and Palpatine were unaware of this fact.

Following the incident, Malorum was plucked out of obscurity by Palpatine, who revealed that he was a Sith and placed Malorum in charge of the Inquisitorius

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– realerfunction 10 points 3 years ago +12 / -2

there were definitely inquisitors in the old eu, vader can't be everywhere at once.

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– ghostfox1_ 3 points 3 years ago +10 / -7

Nope. They were introduced by Disney.

The closest thing were the emperors hands. And I don't think most, if any, of them would have known.

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– Constipatriot 13 points 3 years ago +13 / -0

In the Force Unleashed DLC, Starkiller becomes an inquisitor. It's all "what if" stuff but it was pre-Disney before LucasArts was dismantled.

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– Hardcore_Facestab 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

i wouldnt be surprised if they dug out the old ideas and concepts when they took over.

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– CanuckElhead 10 points 3 years ago +10 / -0

Inquisitors were definitely in the EU, the most prominent probably being the villain of 'The Crystal Star'.

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– Wizardslayer 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

The Inquisitors existed in the EU. They were actually mentioned in the radio drama which was fully approved by George Lucas which would make them top level canon at the time.

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– Smith1980 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

Not that I ever read but I keep finding more EU that I never read so that’s great.

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– OBRIENMUSTSUFFER 24 points 3 years ago +24 / -0

Is there one single D+ show that hasn’t bait-and-switched the male lead into being a second-fiddle-bannana bitch boy in his own series?

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– acp_k2win 9 points 3 years ago +9 / -0

and mulatto terrorist girl we are supposed to root for because she is "fighting the system"

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– ClownTamer 4 points 3 years ago +5 / -1

Falcon was okay. The seemingly walked the line but ended on mostly being pro America. Loki was really good. Wanda was shit. If there are others I don’t much care.

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– acp_k2win 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

Loki was trash. It was an excuse to shit on his character and to suck the signifigance out of the previous movies.

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– Adamrises 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Falcon was okay

The entire Falcon show was them treating an actual standup patriot as evil just because he dared to exist, then his actions as evil just because he was doing them and opposing the terrorists who killed his best friend. All in service of "police brutality bad, whites bad."

Its only pro America if your America is that very specific one they promote.

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– ClownTamer 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

I agree with that part being wokey, but still liked that it ended with him saying “Yeah look America ain’t perfect but America’s still great and I’m Captain Fucking America so let’s stop this nonsense and just move on.”

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– Adamrises 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Walker is a character so good that he exudes patriotism in spite of the writers and the story itself trying to paint him and America bad.

They admitted fully what they were attempting to do with him, and the series. They just failed so badly at it they ended up making him look more heroic than the heroes, and America the same.

Kinda like Starship Troopers, which makes fascism look awesome.

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– ClownTamer 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Wanda would have been great if the weird stuff was reserved for 1 episode max. Most of them in general weren’t great. I did thoroughly enjoy Loki though. Loki and Mandolorian were the best of the Disney owned attempts at a TV series for me and generally just great.

I usually wait to see what someone says about things since most of them suck and most have said the newer ones suck.

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– FuckMcNuggets 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

Apparently they know Organa and Kenobi are close friends, so it makes sense that he goes to save his friend's daughter. It's very weird that they find Obi Wan and discover they can bait him out of hiding and ultimately do nothing about it because of course he's alive in episode IV.

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– Wizardslayer 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

If they're smart they're going to have the last episode end with it being ambiguous on whether or not Kenobi is dead or not.

Also something like that would play right into the Emperor's hands as well. Because he can forbid Vader from wasting his time searching for a dead man while Vader is still paranoid that the only the man he is actually afraid of is still out there.

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– FuckMcNuggets 9 points 3 years ago +9 / -0

"Go deliver the message to this dude that lives in the middle of nowhere on tatooine, he fought in the clone wars.

And it's also the same guy that saved you when you were kidnapped lol"

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– Wizardslayer 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

At least as far as episode 2 she doesn't know his name. And to be fair dude does age horribly in the next ten years.

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– krzyzowiec 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

How does she know Obi is connected, it doesn't say.

In the show she says that Bail Organa and Obi-Wan were close during the war, which is why she kidnapped his daughter.

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– krzyzowiec 0 points 3 years ago +0 / -0

I still think it was a dumb shot in the dark. If they really are that close, why hasn't the empire used Bail Organa to bait Kenobi out before?

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– Cyberguy64 18 points 3 years ago +18 / -0

who would elect a ten year old?

To be fair, her mother was elected queen at 14.

...I'm willing to forgive a lot of issues with the prequels, but Episode 1 really stretches it.

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– Wizardslayer 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0

I took that more as hyperbole. But also this is a universe where the "republic" wasn't really much a republic either. So it could just be by pointless appointment with a regent which would explain a ton of the incompetence that plagued the old republic.

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– Shill4Hire 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Maybe people from that planet age really fast? I mean, they can apparently die from "sadness" mid childbirth, so they're clearly not Earth Human.

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– FuckMcNuggets 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

Not the same planet

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– Hing 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

And yet the nine year old actress playing a ten year old character looks and acts like toddler.

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– BigDaddyDangler3 13 points 3 years ago +13 / -0

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

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– deleted 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0
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– Wizardslayer 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

My biggest gripe is now where force users can pull memories from people's heads now. I know that already got established in the sequel trilogy but it makes shit way too easy.

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– krzyzowiec 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

It was established in the originals when Vader determined that Luke had a sister.

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– Wizardslayer 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

It was established they could read surface thoughts. Not dig into someone's mind. Vader couldn't force Leia to give up the location of the rebel base. And in the PT they couldn't force thoughts out of anyone. The jedi mind trick was limited.

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– krzyzowiec 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

I think it is fair to say that Obi-Wan was clearly first and foremost in his mind when Reva was searching it. He had just told him where to go.

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– Guy_Incognito76 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

Why would you expect anything different? Star Wars is dead and has been for years.

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– AlfredicEnglishRules 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

That breaks my heart a little. I really wanted the show to be good.

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– acp_k2win 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

hat breaks my heart a little

That is intentional. Think about how someone who feels nothing but contempt for the mythology and the fans is in charge of shaping the story.

Let the hate flow through you.

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– krzyzowiec 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

The parts with the old characters are good, meaning the scenes focused on Obi-Wan or Bail Organa. Unfortunately much of the show seems to be centered on the new characters Reva and “young Leia”. The former being a terrible actor and the latter being a child.

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– AlfredicEnglishRules 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

I'll just fast forward them.

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– FutaCumDiet 8 points 3 years ago +9 / -1

Wow, the dead horse they been beating is spewing out rotten shit.

Any other brilliant observations?

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– Piroko 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

Reva knows Vader is Anakin? I thought that shit wasn't common knowledge.

Define common knowledge.

Tarkin, Yularen, and Motti know. For that matter, all the officers who served in the GAR probably know.

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– FuckMcNuggets 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

But why doesn't Kenobi know he's alive after 10 years?

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– Piroko 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Denial. Flying high on copium.

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– FuckMcNuggets 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

I wish the jedi master Kenobi wasn't carrying on high on copium

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– krzyzowiec 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

He neglected his connection to the force after what happened. It’s implied by the scene where he uses the force with Leia after some reluctance and much effort.

The old Obi-Wan wouldn’t hesitate or have trouble using the force.

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– Piroko 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

The GAR veterans would all know the significance of the 501st.

In the same sort of way that EVERYONE in the 1950's would know who Tony McAuliffe was.

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– FuckMcNuggets 10 points 3 years ago +10 / -0

Guys I think this vader guy is actualĺy general skywalker

It can't be, he's much taller than skywalker

Maybe he got some surgery to be taller

How insecure you have to be to do that?

vader seething

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– Piroko 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

I don't think the troops

I'm talking about the officers; captains and such. People high enough to know the office politics, that Anakin had the ear of the Chancellor.

For anyone in a senior role in the GAR, it wouldn't be surprising that Anakin sides with Palpatine, and that naturally the 501st serve Vader because they've always been his unit even when he was Anakin Skywalker.

And if enough of THEM know, then it becomes common knowledge by dint of gossip.

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– Piroko 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

I think your viewpoint is naïve about human societies.

Powerful shadowy force user appears outta nowhere as the Emperor's right hand man, who just happens to be a kickass pilot and commands the personal legion of a clone wars hero who also happened to be a powerful force user and kickass pilot who had the Emperor's favor...

I know you think the Imperials are crapouts but come on.

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– Wizardslayer 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

There is a difference. between a strong suspicion that they're the same person and knowing that they are the same person.

Especially when expressing those views will probably get you killed.

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... continue reading thread?
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... continue reading thread?
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– FuckMcNuggets 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0

Funny how they decided to make the most retarded insufferable character a nigger woman

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– krzyzowiec 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Worst part is she can’t fucking act. Feels like they dropped some random cosplayer into the TV show, surrounded by talent like Ewan McGregor and Jimmy Smitts.

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– FuckMcNuggets 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

They managed to increase my hatred for niggers

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– FuckMcNuggets 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

He buried the sabers in sand knowing he was gonna need them but he just found them again. How did he find them??

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– FuckMcNuggets 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

It is later established he refuses to use force powers because of trauma, until he has to save leia.

Also, the Force isn't a metal detector.

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– barwhack 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

Disney groomin'. Forced.

FJB. FMickey. FForce.

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– BigDaddyDangler3 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

Mickey got bent over as soon as Walt and Roy died. They've been prepping and infiltrating all this time. Watch all the "classic" films - not just Disney, Lethal Weapon had the "I try to shoot him in the leg" dreck and the gun control shit. Hell, Riggs stops an elementary school shooting to set up his character....as a crazy and suicidal white man loose cannon himself. The shooter is white as well. It's always been there. Openly. Faggotry isn't new, either. I'm surprised they let Mel utter the word disgusting when he and Murtagh talk about Dixie the whore being with the daughter of Murtaugh's friend.

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– AgnosticTemplar 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

I'm not that into Star Wars. I've watched 8 of the 9 movies, the two seasons of Mandalorian, and played both KOTOR games. That's pretty much it. Two friends who are huge Star Wars nerds on a Discord sever were watching the first two episodes of Obi Wan and I watched with them. Consensus was the first episode was alright, but the second one was terrible. Annoying child character, yas queen slay villain, and huge lore retcons that I wasn't privy to.

I did think it was hilarious that the very first scene was a school shooting.

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– ChaosCowboy 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Stop giving money to people who hate you.

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– acp_k2win 3 points 3 years ago +4 / -1

When I saw the trailer i thought the negress was the same diversity hire mary sue that ruined half of westworld.

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– ClownTamer 18 points 3 years ago +18 / -0

It’s sad to think that Star Wars would have been better left to fan fiction.

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– ClownTamer 12 points 3 years ago +12 / -0

We’d probably be better off without copyright laws on some things like characters and likenesses at least to an extent. There should be some provision there to allow for fanfiction to flourish and be sold if it’s good.

Super heroes would be amazing. You’d have epic stories were people had values and died, not the capeshit they put out. They’d have made use of all the cool stuff and symbolism Star Wars could offer. Imagine a world where all you had to do was just take the thing and write it well. Where you can’t really make a bad Star Wars movie because fans just wrote their own and you can just use that to make it. Having companies compete to make different renditions of epic fan fiction that got popular because it was simply well written uses of an idea.

I don’t imagine any leftist or woke versions of anything would thrive in that environment because if you’re not forced to see them then no one would choose them.

Copyright seemingly wasn’t intended to allow for infinite franchising and other people coming in to destroy a property.

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– hungryfreaksdaddy 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

I think copyright should last 50 years from the date of creation, period. That's plenty of time for an author to enjoy the benefits of exclusive rights. It also covers their family, if the author dies prematurely.

Current copyright laws allow corporations to have exclusive rights to creative works that they had no hand in creating.

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