How dogs are treated is are a great measure of the empathy a human being -or a society- is capable of. We created this species from a predator, made them wholly dependent on us for their survival, and all we asked for in return was their trust and affection.
Fauci and his pet "scientists" have repeatedly failed this test in a most spectacular fashion.
If they cannot treat dogs properly, I would leave their justice to the wolves.
Your dad likely believes what he sees on TV, reads in the newspaper, gets delivered to his Google Feed, and is told to him by friendly government officials. His opinion is invalid.
It is a sensationalised headline. What they did - drugging puppies, cutting their vocal chords and leaving them to be bitten by bugs carrying infectious diseases - is already fucked up without claiming the sandflies were going to "eat them alive."
Yeah, that’s sort of how I explained it, after I read it…
It’s still evil, and… He still didn’t care. Even with that explanation. Which… Says a lot, really. :-/
Also, let’s be clear, here: these dogs get killed afterwards. I 100% guarantee you that. So… Mutilated, tortured, and then killed. Probably shot, too, rather than “put to sleep”…
Yeah, there’s no way anyone can justify this, no matter how you swing it…
Implication in the quote that he thinks you didn't read past the headline. But I'm going to suggest he may be pitiable - it could be that he's subconsciously afraid to start re-evaluating his priors. Probably a common problem over there nowadays.
To make a classical reference, the allegory of the cave as written by Plato, describes a possibility. You've left the cave and seen the true world, returned to the cave to bring freedom and enlightenment, but the others in the cave lash out at you in response. Such things get compacted in various memes, like the red pill stuff.
Put another way, your father's probably happy or content with his worldview and he sees an unhappy person advocating for a different view (and part of his worldview is probably that all alternatives are lies), so he'll think that taking this view will remove his comforts. I add the parenthetical so you aren't misled into thinking your happiness would lure him out of the cave.
Not gonna lie, I kinda wish people cared more about his cruel policies against humans over the past 18 months. But if this is what turns the tide against him then I support it.
When the other side's position appears to be that Fauci gets to do whatever he wants because he's better than you, yeah. Seems pretty messed up, doesn't it?
Cheers mate. Genuinely really appreciate it. And yup. It’s… Rough.
Especially today, where I’ve just found out I may have MS, and spent most of the last 48 in and out of hospital… So the narc-y gloating has… Made it much worse. 😑
Anyway, thanks, and I’ll try and say some more when my eyesight, at least, recovers a bit better so I can fully see what I’m typing!!
“I know better than you, and I know this would have been for a good reason, whatever your article says…”
Look, my father is the kind of person who would have had no qualms doing vivisection in medical school, if it was offered, and the profs “convinced them* of the benefits “to society”, so… Eh. 😑
He probably largely said that to assuage his own guilty conscience for past wrongs. And to make me feel stupid. Which didn’t work, obviously, in this case…
How dogs are treated is are a great measure of the empathy a human being -or a society- is capable of. We created this species from a predator, made them wholly dependent on us for their survival, and all we asked for in return was their trust and affection.
Fauci and his pet "scientists" have repeatedly failed this test in a most spectacular fashion.
If they cannot treat dogs properly, I would leave their justice to the wolves.
[Remainder of fedpost redacted].
Yeah, I view this, and people’s reaction to it, as an “empathy test”…
Which my own father just failed. And then used it to attack me for “believing what you read online, and lapping up sensationalized headlines”…
Fucking hell…
Your dad likely believes what he sees on TV, reads in the newspaper, gets delivered to his Google Feed, and is told to him by friendly government officials. His opinion is invalid.
It is a sensationalised headline. What they did - drugging puppies, cutting their vocal chords and leaving them to be bitten by bugs carrying infectious diseases - is already fucked up without claiming the sandflies were going to "eat them alive."
Yeah, that’s sort of how I explained it, after I read it… It’s still evil, and… He still didn’t care. Even with that explanation. Which… Says a lot, really. :-/
Also, let’s be clear, here: these dogs get killed afterwards. I 100% guarantee you that. So… Mutilated, tortured, and then killed. Probably shot, too, rather than “put to sleep”…
Yeah, there’s no way anyone can justify this, no matter how you swing it…
Implication in the quote that he thinks you didn't read past the headline. But I'm going to suggest he may be pitiable - it could be that he's subconsciously afraid to start re-evaluating his priors. Probably a common problem over there nowadays.
To make a classical reference, the allegory of the cave as written by Plato, describes a possibility. You've left the cave and seen the true world, returned to the cave to bring freedom and enlightenment, but the others in the cave lash out at you in response. Such things get compacted in various memes, like the red pill stuff.
Put another way, your father's probably happy or content with his worldview and he sees an unhappy person advocating for a different view (and part of his worldview is probably that all alternatives are lies), so he'll think that taking this view will remove his comforts. I add the parenthetical so you aren't misled into thinking your happiness would lure him out of the cave.
I agree. We have a particular responsibility towards dogs.
Not gonna lie, I kinda wish people cared more about his cruel policies against humans over the past 18 months. But if this is what turns the tide against him then I support it.
TFW wanting Fauci prosecuted for lying about gain of function research and providing funding for it in Wuhan is seen as a hyper-partisan issue.
When the other side's position appears to be that Fauci gets to do whatever he wants because he's better than you, yeah. Seems pretty messed up, doesn't it?
This is more Soviet-esque.
Animal Experimentation was banned in Nazi Germany, as a matter of fact, it was the first nation to do so.
They did it with monkeys more recently.
In Russia, they attached the heads of dogs to machines in order to try to reanimate them.
I'd been wondering what punishment Fauci deserves. Now I know.
As bad as I think Fauci is, he just keeps lowering the bar somehow.
Yeah, ok, this is my limit for news, for the day…
Jesus fucking Christ… 😑🔫
Follow up: my father, who is a doctor, and a narcissist, justified this, said the headline is “exaggerated”, and then mocked me for reacting to it…
Fuck my fucking life.
Cheers mate. Genuinely really appreciate it. And yup. It’s… Rough.
Especially today, where I’ve just found out I may have MS, and spent most of the last 48 in and out of hospital… So the narc-y gloating has… Made it much worse. 😑
Anyway, thanks, and I’ll try and say some more when my eyesight, at least, recovers a bit better so I can fully see what I’m typing!!
Your father is a cunt and I truly hope you live a long and happy life filled with compassion from others that he doesn't impede upon.
Thanks dude. Appreciate it. Really, really sick, at the moment (waiting for a possible MS diagnosis), so… Appreciate it!
I’ll respond properly when I recover a bit more.
How did he justify it? The article notes that this form of experimentation is of no utility in meeting FDA requirements.
It appears to achieve the double of being needlessly cruel and fiscally wasteful.
Justify something to a non-whitecoat? Doctors are second only to cops in the "there's us, then there's them" mentality.
Oh please doctors are way worse than cops when it comes to that.
At least everyone who works for cops are cops.
Doctor's treat nurses like they treat the rest of us and they need nurses.
See also: the way registrars and consultants treat junior/trainee doctors…
Power, meet trip… 😑
One of oh so many reasons I decided not to go into med…
Though ironically, by making that choice, I’ve ended up with a family who will never be happy for me, no matter what I do. So heh, there’s that… 😒
Yeah, pretty much this…
“I know better than you, and I know this would have been for a good reason, whatever your article says…”
Look, my father is the kind of person who would have had no qualms doing vivisection in medical school, if it was offered, and the profs “convinced them* of the benefits “to society”, so… Eh. 😑
He probably largely said that to assuage his own guilty conscience for past wrongs. And to make me feel stupid. Which didn’t work, obviously, in this case…