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Galean [S] 65 points ago +65 / -0

In fact, when I told Joe early in the podcast that I didn't agree with his apparent views on vaccines against Covid, ivermectin and many things in between, part of me thought the MMA, former Taekwondo champion might hurtle himself across the table and throttle my neck.

It was like Joe and I were now in the octagon, circling one another. He stared at me intently now, eyebrows raised. I admitted that the vaccinated could still carry the virus at similar loads as the unvaccinated, but swiftly added -- before he could claim victory -- that there was more to the story.

I guess a small part of me thought I might change Joe Rogan's mind about vaccines. After this last exchange, I realized it was probably futile. His mind was made up, and there would always be plenty of misinformation out there neatly packaged to support his convictions. Truth is though, I am still glad I did it.

I countered back equally hard that the risk of myocarditis has been shown to be much higher for infected children under 16 years old compared to their uninfected peers.

Not only does it read like some fan fiction but the guy seems to think he somehow won the debate.

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Afks 54 points ago +54 / -0

There’s a lot to unpack in Sanjays piece

The many references to fighting and octagon and wording like “ I countered back equally hard” are cringe af and illustrates how Sanjay fantasizes about being an actual man like Rogan and a fair opponent in a fight setting

The fight references are constant reminders to the reader that Sanjay is the esteemed doctor who's opinion and facts are obviously much more valuable and true than joe Rogan, as if Rogan is only known for mma and not the million hours of podcasting discussions with credible individuals, plus sometimes he has a shill like Sanjay on the show so they can dig themselves into a hole

Even his counter points to joe Rogans points, he cites links that don’t prove his claim

“8 times less likely to get covid” links to cdc, in its own article simply says “studies show…” and the cdc unsurprisingly does not link their source of data

Sad

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Afks 32 points ago +32 / -0

guess a small part of me thought I might change Joe Rogan's mind about vaccines. After this last exchange, I realized it was probably futile. His mind was made up, and there would always be plenty of misinformation out there neatly packaged to support his convictions. Truth is though, I am still glad I did it.

The entire article deserves to be shredded piece by piece but even this paragraph is sad start to finish

He’s so fucking narcissistic. Punch.

“Change his mind about vaccines” - so now he subtly labels Rogan as an anti vaxxer altogether not just the covid injections

“His mind was made up” implies he is wrong and stubborn, blind to the truth

“ there would always be plenty of misinformation neatly packaged to support his convictions” - so there’s tons of data and evidence to back up rogans truths, which you can’t argue against, and you just call it misinformation

Put sanjay and the rest of these sub human scum on trial

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wtfppl 5 points ago +5 / -0

He’s so fucking narcissistic.

This is one of the major qualification in becoming a CNN mouth piece.

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BidenLikesMiners 3 points ago +3 / -0

The entire article deserves to be shredded piece by piece but even this paragraph is sad start to finish

If yall want to read it, I tried to below... it was a long time because he had a ton of bs claims in his 'rebuttal' and its made me completely lose my faith in his medical accredidations.

One post was not long enough to call out all of sanjayna's bs. check my commentary if you wanna shit on sanjayna

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krakah293 12 points ago +12 / -0

CDC likes to have wording like 8x more it less likely. The thing about incredibly small numbers... such as risk factors with COVID is that even when you divide or multiply them 8 there still incredibly small numbers.

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BidenLikesMiners 2 points ago +2 / -0

.14

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JuliasEbola00 34 points ago +35 / -1

Why do these faggots write like they are writing a novel?

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Ahaus667 32 points ago +32 / -0

Because they can’t sell facts, so they sell emotions. Want to change Joes mind? Try actually being right once about Covid you hack.

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MGTOWayoflife 13 points ago +13 / -0

He has to use novels to make it seem like he won. Bringing up the facts would crush him.

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BidenLikesMiners 2 points ago +2 / -0

Sanjay did bring up facts, they just werent the ones he was claiming they were.

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Skeptic_Conservative 21 points ago +21 / -0

Because like so many things on the left: They Want to Believe.

Life is a movie, life is a TV show - they're the hero, when things are simpler things are easier. It's indulgent narcissism, and so far, they've been consistently rewarded for it.

Sanjay's been doing a produced short 'health' segment that worms its way onto one of the radio show podcast networks (Cumulus, for Red Eye Radio) I listen to as a promoted bit in commercial breaks that's annoying as hell. He's really full of himself and has been for a long, looong time.

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Ricky_CIA 4 points ago +4 / -0

Because they live in pseudo-realities that they've constructed. Great essay on the topic from James Lindsay:

https://newdiscourses.com/2020/12/psychopathy-origins-totalitarianism/

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GimmeFuelGimmeFire 4 points ago +4 / -0

"Leftist memes be like: WallOfRunes.jpg"

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SparkMandrill83 3 points ago +3 / -0

They're selling emotions to white woman

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ZeroPercentCamoIndex 25 points ago +25 / -0

This is pure comedy. Meathead eviscerates your cultlike fixation, using pointed questions and basic points - UH OH I better make it sounds like I was physically intimidated!!1

The free will of your fist ends where my nose begins When I said this to Joe, the MMA fighter, he paused, sat back and listened for a while.

He was probably trying to parse the utter retardation of comparing the choice to refuse a vaccine with the act of physically punching people in the face.

If this was some personal blog, I'd just consider it the pathetic coping strategies of an intellectual, moral and physical weakling. But it being on CNN makes it a major damage control attempt. It honestly terrifies these people how many minds they may have lost through a podcast appearance like this and I bet Gupta has a lot of genuflecting to do with his woke colleagues atm.

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BidenLikesMiners 3 points ago +3 / -0

Nah sanjay is right, joe has a history of beating up everyone he invites on his podcast.

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logical_obesity6969 22 points ago +23 / -1

...full of honesty and humility. I live by that, and I think Joe may to some extent as well.

And he thinks he's a better person. Snide cunt.

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anon12 21 points ago +21 / -0

A dude trying to claim the whole "death threat" angle is going to be viewed a lot less sympathetically than if a woman tried to pull this shit (and even a woman trying this shit in a context like this might be roasted for it, since Joe is largely considered harmless)

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GoofTroop186 33 points ago +33 / -0

To many, he represents a queen bee in a hive mind, advancing free will and personal liberty above all else.

I don’t know why I’m surprised enough to be infuriated

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cmpunk 31 points ago +31 / -0

Delete, censor, remove any and every view counter to the official narrative and call us the hive mind. Wow.

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Mpetey123 29 points ago +29 / -0

What does the guy think is above free will? Fuck even God himself doesn't mess with someone's free will.

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Skeptic_Conservative 23 points ago +23 / -0

queen bee in a hive mind

I really wish some of these folks had some damn self perspective. It's less funny, and more pathetic and sad how willingly they self-project onto others.

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GimmeFuelGimmeFire 12 points ago +12 / -0

The 2nd part though, "a hive mind advancing free will and personal liberty above all else," is what really makes it.

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8BitArchitect 17 points ago +17 / -0

a hive mind, advancing free will

lol what a retard

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Idontevenknow 6 points ago +6 / -0

As though free will and personal liberty are bad things.

Can you believe Joe doesn't want to get in the pod and eat the bugs!?

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Mpetey123 25 points ago +25 / -0

Say the Our Fauci and 2 Hail Nancys.

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ZeroPercentCamoIndex 15 points ago +15 / -0

Jackpot, I read this moments after making the statement in my own post: 'it honestly terrifies these people how many minds they may have lost through a podcast appearance like this and I bet Gupta has a lot of genuflecting to do with his woke colleagues atm.'

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Skankblunt42 23 points ago +23 / -0

Classic cuck behavior writing a response after the podcast instead of bringing it up on the podcast so it could be addressed by the other person. Pussies love getting into altercations and then, after thinking in the shower, rewriting history in their blog as if they're the hero.

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BidenLikesMiners 2 points ago +2 / -0

its like every readditor. they write about these things irl to get karma, instead of talking to people irl about them.

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Hogbutcher 18 points ago +19 / -1

... Says man from country that shits in the same streets where they wash clothes and burn their dead in public pyres.

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Strike08 11 points ago +11 / -0

The only miraculous thing about that river is that it hasn't killed every single person that touched it already (I think it has been on fire a couple of times).

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Six_z3r0 9 points ago +9 / -0

No, the real miracle is that the sharks that infest those waters haven't grown legs and marched on the land dwellers.

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davidverner 3 points ago +5 / -2

burn their dead in public pyres.

That actually is better then just trying to bury them all.

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Hogbutcher 5 points ago +6 / -1

Define better. You could also justify fire bombing the entire continent for not keeping up with society as being better than allowing them to mill around waiting for handouts from the first world. While they shit in the street, worship false gods and watch the impoverished suffer while they sell their children into slavery.

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davidverner 1 point ago +3 / -2

I'm talking about burning the dead being way better then filling plots of land with dead people. It's also more sanitary.

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Hogbutcher 1 point ago +1 / -0

So the logic goes, its so clean from burning bodies we should take a dump in the street? They really are next level. Buddy.

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davidverner 1 point ago +1 / -0

No, I'm pointing out that burning bodies is actually better then what a lot of places do.

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Idontevenknow 2 points ago +2 / -0

Ah, so they DO still have something on San Fran. Gavin needs to get that shit going!

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Hogbutcher 4 points ago +4 / -0

The only difference is Californians have more shoes, and Indians have less money. Trade places, nothing would change.

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TardedButNotDeparted 1 point ago +3 / -2

And still, India has less COVID cases.

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Hogbutcher 1 point ago +1 / -0

Takes govt mandated pill to kill street shitting parasites, bacteriophages from burning rotten flesh in open air public spaces, not to mention contaminated river water. Accidentally doesn’t catch a cold.

This is how Nicola Tesla got his start too.

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Mestroisfils 16 points ago +16 / -0

Did he forget that many of us watched this? We disnt see agression, posturing or rhreatening behavior. I guess "i disagree with you" now counts as violence.

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davidverner 15 points ago +15 / -0

No response bout his network lying about ivermectin for human usage or his silence on it being used for treating humans.

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LuFalcon 14 points ago +14 / -0

Good lord this dude is living in a ivory tower.

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Jaxcen2407 10 points ago +10 / -0

I think I got cancer trying to read that, thanks OP.

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TardedButNotDeparted 4 points ago +4 / -0

OP took a bullet in the leg going to CNN to post that link for us.

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BidenLikesMiners 3 points ago +3 / -0

sanjay has a new medicine from phizer he'd like to sell you...

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YouAreAPirate 10 points ago +10 / -0

lmao did he take a Creative Writing elective while getting his degree?

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Random6 7 points ago +7 / -0

This is a gigantic cope if I ever read one

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Yheymos 6 points ago +6 / -0

Joe has a casual conversation for three hours like he does with all his guests. Asks straight forward questions and presses on a couple very important issues...

And Gupta acts like he was in a fucking fighting ring with a raging warrior. This is like stolen valor, it is ridiculous, "oh my god, back in the day, I barely survive Joe Rogan, he was so tough, and mean, and so very far, far right. But I held strong and made it out".

Dude did a podcast like 1000 other people have already done but he acts like some hero. What dogshit.

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Ricwulf 5 points ago +5 / -0

What a sanctimonious and egotistical cunt.

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icockmyglock 4 points ago +4 / -0

I needed to go into the lion's den

Gupta comparing himself to a biblical hero saved by divinity while comparing Rogan to death.

At a time when there is a desire for shorter, crisper content -- responding to abbreviated human attention spans -- one of the most popular podcasts in the country features conversations that last exceptionally long and go particularly deep.

CNN lauds the short attention span as the public's need and desire in order to minimize Rogan's success for feeding the public's need for exactly the opposite.

Many friends cautioned me against accepting Joe's invitation. "There is little room for reasonable conversations anymore," one person told me. "He is a brawler and doesn't play fair," another warned. In fact, when I told Joe early in the podcast that I didn't agree with his apparent views on vaccines against Covid, ivermectin and many things in between, part of me thought the MMA, former Taekwondo champion might hurtle himself across the table and throttle my neck.

Holy shit, Gupta is a piece of work here, literally slandering Rogan's character setting the stage for the rest of the article.

I wanted to know: Was Joe simply a sower of doubt, a creator of chaos? Or was there something more? Was he asking questions that begged to be asked, fueled by necessary suspicion and skepticism?

Modern journalists only ask questions to interject statements to influence the reader. You'll notice Gupta does not ask any questions about his network's characterization of Joe's medically prescribed ivermectin as "horse dewormer". In fact, during the podcast Gupta even validates CNN's mischaracterization when he affirms that ivermectin "is used as a horse dewormer".

Despite a downplaying of Covid risks often heard on Joe's podcast, his private studio prioritizes safety. A nurse was present to perform a rapid Covid test before we began. We were even checked for the presence of antibodies with a finger prick blood test.

That's rich. Criticizing Rogan's observance of safety while using it to criticize Rogan's experience with covid and his questions about the vaccine.

It bears repeating that no one should choose infection over vaccination...Just in the last three months, there have been more than 90,000 preventable Covid-19 deaths in the US among unvaccinated adults

And yet this document from the cdc indicates there has possibly been at least 150K deaths since the vaccine began it's roll out.

I guess a small part of me thought I might change Joe Rogan's mind about vaccines.

Can't change a man's mind when the smell of your bullshit is permeating every surface.

Gupta is a diversity hire who will goose step your ass into the gas chambers to protect his good fortune.

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BidenLikesMiners 4 points ago +4 / -0

"There is little room for reasonable conversations anymore," one person told me. "He is a brawler and doesn't play fair," another warned. In fact, when I told Joe early in the podcast that I didn't agree with his apparent views on vaccines against Covid, ivermectin and many things in between, part of me thought the MMA, former Taekwondo champion might hurtle himself across the table and throttle my neck. But, instead he smiled, and off we went.

This guy listens to sicophantic retards, lmao.

Truth is, I have always been a naturally skeptical person myself.

AHAHAHAAHAAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHA AHHAH HSH

It's a good way of thinking about the world -- full of honesty and humility. I live by that,

Kek x2

he seems to see himself less a rapscallion and more of a sort of guardian of the galaxy

cringe, sanjay is a marvelfag

To many, he represents a queen bee in a hive mind,

These analogies are fucking terrible

The free will of your fist ends where my nose begins

meta cringe continues...

When I said this to Joe, the MMA fighter, he paused, sat back and listened for a while. I asked him: Is it not possible to advocate strongly for personal freedoms, but also recognize the unique threat a highly contagious disease represents?

If vaccinated people transmit just as much as the unvaccinated, why are they really necessary? It was like Joe and I were now in the octagon, circling one another. He stared at me intently now, eyebrows raised. I admitted that the vaccinated could still carry the virus at similar loads as the unvaccinated, but swiftly added -- before he could claim victory -- that there was more to the story.

This guy is a twat.

I shared data with Joe showing the vaccinated were "eight times less likely" to become infected in the first place, and that their viral loads came down more rapidly if they did get infected -- making them contagious for a shorter period and less likely to spread the virus.

his proof of this links to a document from the cdc that doesnt site ANY source LMAO

I could link to some asian dudes uncle's blog with just as much verification as what sanjay is preaching to joe.

Sanjay is a 100% grifter. his 2nd point that he shared with Joe, the RAPIDER CLEARANCE, comes down to studying 173 people, and it concluded that

Vaccine breakthrough infections exhibited similar proliferation dynamics as infections in unvaccinated individuals, and mean proliferation time 3.2 days vs. 3.5 days,

But that vacced people in that 173 person group had an average of 5.5 days sick with the vacc, or 7.5 sicc without it.

...

that is HARDLY a "MORE RAPID CLEARANCE" time for the virus.

He says theyre less ikely to spread it because its 2 days AVERAGE less, but thats not based on science, its based on him guessing that it is happening. I think its more probable that if theyre having symptoms by day 3-4 that no matter vacc or not they will be likelier to be avoiding people more, til full clearance of the virus.

Vaccines are not perfect, but he had to agree they are certainly a worthy tool to help control the spread of the virus.

But youre paper just said they have the same viral load and only reduce the overall sickness by about 2 days, that wont control the spread of the virus, dingus.

they are particularly effective at keeping people from getting severely ill or dying.

They *were. But we're seeing PARTICULARLY reduced efficacy with the new strains, lying Gupdta.

They also may help prevent the development of long Covid

No source. not surprising as I think this is another un-educated guess from mr gaypta.

Even as he sometimes railed against masks, "The Joe Rogan Experience" masks emblazoned with his logo are available for sale on his website. I even bought one ahead of time and gave it to him as a gift. He looked surprised. (Incidentally, they are made in China.)

Uhm, nice present, LMAO

is Gupta america first now? I hope he threw away that made in china iPhone of his...

Joe took great pride in his test, insisting the thickness of his lines must mean stronger immunity. I am fairly certain he was joking. And, I didn't have the heart to tell him that my antibody line was significantly thicker than his anyway.

This 'doctor' is a massive braggard. Does cnn look for retards with a dumb ego on like that???

no one should choose infection over vaccination

This ugy is a total shill, lmao

That is the concern many public health officials have had since the earliest days of the pandemic.

loll. public health officials who work at phizer.

Far too many people have become severely ill and died, even after the effective vaccines became available.

he hasnt talked about any side effects yet. I wonder if he will by the end of this asscovering piece?

in the last three months, there have been more than 90,000 preventable Covid-19 deaths in the US among unvaccinated adults, according to a new analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation.

idk whatthe f kaiser is again, no link to the information he claimed there.

The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation, is an American non-profit organization, headquartered in San Francisco, California. It prefers KFF since its legal name can cause confusion as it is no longer a foundation or a family foundation, and is not associated with Kaiser Permanente

defintely not a suspicious enterprise at all, why am i not surprised that THIS is where the fabled dr sanjay gupda gets his medical advice from....

screw up there was a link to the last thing, anyways, here is the rebuttal

With the rapid uptake in vaccinations in the months when vaccines first became widely available, COVID-19 deaths fell sharply. COVID-19 dropped to the number 7 leading cause of death in the U.S. in July 2021.

they say covid casualties dropped solely because of vaccs (hmmm...) , but that delta was deadly becauyse of no social distancing and not enough vaccs (double hmmmmmmm...)

with the more infectious COVID-19 Delta variant, insufficient vaccination rates, and local and state governments easing up social distancing restrictions, COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, and deaths increased again

Dont feel like debooonkin the rest now, but here for you anons who want to debunk the important faccs they claimed

an average of over 1,600 people per day continued to die of COVID-19 in the first week of October 2021, even as safe and effective vaccines have been free and widely available to adults in all states and D.C. since early May 2021. An overwhelming majority of COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. have been among unvaccinated people, as we discuss below.

The cumulative number of deaths attributed to COVID-19 in the U.S. from the start of the pandemic through October 7, 2021 is 710,659.

In other words bided has killed 210,000 people. thats how this works, right?

some of those deaths may not have been preventable since vaccines are not a 100% effective.

Big brain wordplay throughout.

A recent CDC study showed age-standardized vaccine effectiveness against deaths of 91% in the June 20–July 17 period and 94% in the April 4–June 19 period. Based on this study, we assume 91% of COVID-19 deaths among unvaccinated people likely would have been prevented with COVID-19 inoculations.

They ASSUME that the perfect efficacy rate would have continued all throughout Delta.

They ASSUME that there are 0 adverse effects. And 0 Longterm effects

In September 2021 alone, approximately 49,000 deaths likely would have been averted if they had chosen to get vaccinated against COVID-19.

The overwhelming majority of COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths continue to be preventable.

They add in hospitalizations to make it sound more serial.

We used the KFF COVID-19 Tracker data for average daily and monthly total COVID-19 deaths

They used their own foundation's tracker, lmao

For other leading causes, we used CDC data for weekly counts of death by select underlying causes of death. For other leading causes from the weekly counts CDC file, only MMWR weeks 1-25 are included in average daily deaths for 2021. The average daily deaths for accidents and suicides are from 2020. Heart disease deaths were combined for all circulatory disease except stroke. Stroke represents cerebrovascular disease. In the second chart, respiratory disease represents chronic lower respiratory disease and the 2020 average daily deaths for accidents are reported.

For age-specific rank of COVID-19 deaths among other leading causes of death, we used CDC provisional COVID-19 deaths data by age for January – June 2021 (as of August 18, 2021) and CDC provisional death counts for other leading causes. Infants were excluded from this analysis as the 15th leading cause of death based on 2019 CDC Wonder data had a monthly average greater than the highest COVID-19 death count for this age group in any given month in 2021. For age-specific leading causes for which 2021 monthly provisional death counts were not available, we used CDC Wonder data for 2019 for age-specific average monthly death counts.

I dont think that sandy vajana has read this whole document before 'owning' rogan with it. I think he only read the title.

im going to translate his sentence into facts from wishes

Just in the last three months, there have been more than 90,000 preventable Covid-19 deaths in the US among unvaccinated adults, according to a new analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation.

In the last three months, there are AN ESTIMATED 90,000 preventable Covid-19 deaths in the US among the unvaccinated, according to a new peak ESTIMATE by the Kaiser Family Foundation, which is neither a family foundation, nor a foundation. There was NO estimation for side effects or negative outcomes from potential vacc uses.

At the same time, an Israeli study garnered a lot of attention after it appeared to show that natural immunity offered significant protection -- even stronger than two doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in people who had never been infected."

I love how he says "APPEARED" TO SHOW" and yet he still has no answer for why this isnt accurate in his thought piece. This is the propoganda part of CNN, "DR" Gupdoh is making statements that arent based in medicine.

So the question Joe raises, as do many others: Why should those who have previously had Covid still get the vaccine?

It's a fair question, and one that I raised myself with Dr. Anthony Fauci back in early September. At the time, he told me there was no firm answer on this, and they were still looking into what the recommendations should be going forward and how durable natural immunity is in the long run."

Aka i just calld the study that shows natural immunity is better into question when i have NO CONTRADICTIING INFORMATION MYSELF (NOR DOUS FAUCHI) - PROPOGANDA

Part of the issue is that we still don't have a clear idea of how many people have contracted Covid in the United States.

Then we doubly dont kow how many vaccs would have 'prevented' bad outcomes, faggoo

The official number is around 45 million, but due to continued lack of sufficient testing, it remains uncertain.

And many of the antibody tests that are currently available have high rates of both false negative and false positive results,

OOF

Another issue with natural immunity is that it can vary substantially based on the age of the individual

O gee whiz, is that why its just like the VACC HO?????

That probably explains why a recent study showed that unvaccinated people who already had Covid were more than twice as likely to get reinfected as those who had also been vaccinated.

"recent', this is a two month old study that still hasnt been peer reviewed LMAO. THIS GUY is a MEDICAL "EXPERT" HAHAHAHAHAHA

Currently, limited evidence concerning the protection afforded by vaccination against reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 is available

Among Kentucky residents infec

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BidenLikesMiners 2 points ago +2 / -0

I ran out of danged damn characters. Part deus ahead-

"recent', this is a two month old study that still hasnt been peer reviewed LMAO. THIS GUY is a MEDICAL "EXPERT" HAHAHAHAHAHA

Currently, limited evidence concerning the protection afforded by vaccination against reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 is available

Among Kentucky residents infec

Among Kentucky residents infected with SARS-CoV-2 in 2020, vaccination status of those reinfected during May–June 2021 was compared with that of residents who were not reinfected. In this case-control study, being unvaccinated was associated with 2.34 times the odds of reinfection compared with being fully vaccinated.

aka they only looked at one state. and it says among those infected, but we wont have a list of EVERYONE INFECTED in 2020. we would also only likely be looking at THE WORST CASES because those who had few or no symptoms for the first wave WOULDNA have been tested. so the people who were in 2020 skewed to the weaker side towards coronavirus.

and there were only 246 case patients, and 400 something controls. 600 people is NOT enough to say theres a countrywide 2.34 chance to get reinfected by corona vs vacced people.

FALSE SCIENCE

cumented, but the scientific understanding of natural infection-derived immunity is still emerging (5). The duration of immunity resulting from natural infection, although not well understood, is suspected to persist for ≥90 days in most persons.** The emergence of new variants might affect the duration of infection-acquired immunity, and laboratory studies have shown that sera from previously infected persons might offer weak or inconsistent responses against several variants of concern (2,6). For example, a recent laboratory study found that sera collected from previously infected persons before they were vaccinated provided a relatively weaker, and in some cases absent, neutralization response to the B.1.351 (Beta) variant when compared with the original Wuhan-Hu-1 strain (1).

I like how this niggar is using a study from months before the israeli studies of antibodies came out to make it seem like it isnt a good study

I told Joe that even in the study from Israel, the authors concluded with the recommendation that people who had recovered from Covid still get a vaccine.

And there it is. LITERLLY in the next line hes acting like thise months old study proves the israeli one wrong. this guy should be disbarred from the medical profession for this chincanery.

And when Joe pushed hard on the risk of myocarditis in kids who receive the vaccine, especially young boys, I countered back equally hard that the risk of myocarditis has been shown to be much higher for infected children under 16 years old compared to their uninfected peers.

0- DOUBT

ok so hes being a fucking propogandist faggot again here- hes comparing infected kids to uninfected, not infected to VACCD. nigger

After adjusting for patient and hospital characteristics, patients with COVID-19 during March 2020–January 2021 had, on average, 15.7 times the risk for myocarditis compared with those without COVID-19 (95% confidence interval [CI] = 14.1–17.2); by age, risk ratios ranged from approximately 7.0 for patients aged 16–39 years to >30.0 for patients aged <16 years or ≥75 years. Overall, myocarditis was uncommon among persons with and without COVID-19; however, COVID-19 was significantly associated with an increased risk for myocarditis, with risk varying by age group. These findings underscore the importance of implementing evidence-based COVID-19 prevention strategies, including vaccination, to reduce the public health impact of COVID-19 and its associated complications.

Its unclear how much they adjusted it by, or in which direction.

During March 2020–January 2021, the period that coincided with the COVID-19 pandemic, the risk for myocarditis was 0.146% among patients diagnosed with COVID-19 during an inpatient or hospital-based outpatient encounter and 0.009% among patients who were not diagnosed with COVID-19.

14 tenths of a percent.

0.14 to 0.01 I love how his other study where he says "DWARFED THE RISK OY MYOCARD IN KIDS" literally says in the first paragraph:

An elevated risk for myocarditis among mRNA COVID-19 vaccinees has been observed, particularly in males aged 12–29 years.

lmao. This guy is a faggot propogandist.

The median age of the 323 patients meeting CDC’s case definitions was 19 years (range = 12−29 years); 291 were male, and 32 were female. The median interval from vaccination to symptom onset was 2 days (range = 0−40 days); 92% of patients experienced onset of symptoms within 7 days of vaccination.

(OF THE PEOPLE WHO NOTICED IT!!!!!!!)

As of June 11, 2021, approximately 296 million doses of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines had been administered in the United States, with 52 million administered to persons aged 12–29 years; of these, 30 million were first and 22 million were second doses. Within the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) (4), the national vaccine safety passive monitoring system, 1,226 reports of myocarditis after mRNA vaccination were received during December 29, 2020–June 11, 2021. Among persons with reported myocarditis after mRNA vaccination, the median age was 26 years (range = 12–94 years), with median symptom onset interval of 3 days after vaccination

so they used vaers to definitively say how many myo cases there are... obv no problems with that that anyone with a brain could see in like 2 seconds, nopeo none

The median interval from vaccination to symptom onset was 2 days (range = 0−40 days); 92% of patients experienced onset of symptoms within 7 days of vaccination. Of the 323 persons meeting CDC’s case definitions, 309 (96%) were hospitalized. Acute clinical courses were generally mild; among 304 hospitalized patients with known clinical outcomes, 95% had been discharged at time of review, and none had died.

There is NO LONG TERM FOLLOW UP ON THIS DATA . YET THEY SAID THERE IS NO HARM OR WHATVER. DANGEROUS 9ANTI-SCIENCE**!!

Using myocarditis cases reported to VAERS with onset within 7 days after dose 2 of an mRNA vaccine, crude reporting rates (i.e., using confirmed and unconfirmed cases) per million second dose recipients were calculated using national COVID-19 vaccine administration data as of June 11, 2021. Myocarditis reporting rates were 40.6 cases per million second doses of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines administered to males aged 12−29 years and 2.4 per million second doses administered to males aged ≥30 years; reporting rates among females in these age groups were 4.2 and 1.0 per million second doses, respectively.***

someone else can compare the math and put it next to the digits from his last claim, if you will.

The highest reporting rates were among males aged 12−17 years and those aged 18−24 years

So its literally HIGHEST in this group and comey, sanjay is saying its worth the risks.

62.8 and 50.5 reported myocarditis cases per million second doses

or in other words, the case rate of myocard for CHILDREN IS 25% HIGHER THAN FOR 18+!!!!!!!! that is cause FOR ALARM!!!!!! FUCK SANJAY IN HIS EVIL INDIAN ASSCUNT

Myocarditis rates from Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD), based on electronic health records, were also evaluated. Although numbers were too small to show rates in all subgroups by age, VSD data indicated increased risk of myocarditis in the 7 days after receipt of dose 1 or dose 2 of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine compared with the risk 22–42 days after the second dose, particularly among younger males after dose 2

The benefit-risk assessment was stratified by age group and sex. The analysis assumed 95% vaccine effectiveness§§§§ of 2 doses of a mRNA COVID-19 vaccine in preventing COVID-19 cases and hospitalization

already out of date, nice citation gupta

and assessed outcomes for a 120-day period.

THEY ONLY LOOKED AT THE OUTCOME FOR 4 months. LoL

inputs regarding community transmission have high uncertainty beyond this period, particularly in the context of circulating variants.

Double lol .

The benefits (prevention of COVID-19 disease and associated hospitalizations, ICU admissions, and deaths) outweighed the risks (expected myocarditis cases after vaccination) in all populations for which vaccination has been recommended. However, the balance of benefits and risks varied by age and sex because cases of myocarditis were primarily identified

(for 120 days....) not even a full year

However, the balance of benefits and risks varied by age and sex because cases of myocarditis were primarily identified among males aged <30 years, and the risks of poor outcomes related to COVID-19 increase with age

aka fucking over the kiddos

Per million second doses of mRNA COVID-19 vaccine administered to males aged 12–29 years, 11,000 COVID-19 cases, 560 hospitalizations, 138 ICU admissions, and six deaths due to COVID-19 could be prevented

smoking gupta, sanday vajoina just owned the hwole vaccs are better shit unintentionally

compared with 39–47 expected myocarditis cases

the rate is literallt 6-+x more than the deaths that were prevented.

im starting to really dislike this lil cucklet.

ACIP also reviewed population-level considerations regarding vaccination. No alternatives to mRNA COVID-19 vaccines for adolescents will be available for the foreseeable future, and vaccination of adolescents offers protection against COVID-19 that can be important for returning to educational, social, and extracurricular activities.

f . u .

Higher levels of vaccination coverage can reduce community transmission, which can protect against development and circulation of emerging variants.

False. did Vanjay even read this??

Regarding health equity considerations, racial and ethnic minority groups have higher rates of COVID-19 and severe disease*****; potential changes in vaccine policy, or anything that would affect vaccination coverage for adolescents or young adults, might disproportionately affect those groups with the highest rates of poor COVID-19 outcomes.

Woke vaccination policy

The ACIP discussion concluded that 1) the benefits of vaccinating all recommended age groups with mRNA COVID-19 vaccine clearly outweigh the risks of vaccination, including the risk of myocard

Lol, no

  1. continuing to monitor outcomes of myocarditis cases after COVID-19 vaccination is important; and 3) providers and the public should be informed about these myocarditis cases and the use of COVID-19 vaccines.

Uh oh mr sanjay vajoina isnt doing number 3, is he? tsk tsk tsk mr liar propogandist

Based on ACIP’s conclusion regarding the benefit-risk assessment on June 23, 2021, COVID-19 vaccination continues to be recommended for all persons aged ≥12 years

Truly Disgusting.

CDC has updated patient education and communication materials reflecting this information for the Pfizer-BioNTech¶¶¶¶¶ and Moderna****** COVID-19 vaccines; these are important to ensure that vaccine recipients, especially males aged 12–29 years, are aware of increased risk for myocarditis and to seek care if they develop symptoms of myocarditis.

Sanjay is a fucking niggar for ignoring this.

The vaccine product-specific EUA fact sheet should be provided to all vaccine recipients and their caregivers before vaccination with any authorized COVID-19 vaccine.

triple oof

CDC and FDA will continue to closely monitor reports of myocarditis after receipt of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines and will bring any additional data to ACIP for consideration.

LOL, RITE

The ACIP recommendation for use of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines under an EUA is interim and will be updated as additional information becomes available.

FDA requires that vaccine providers report to VAERS vaccination administration errors, serious adverse events,†††††† cases of multisystem inflammatory syndrome, and cases of COVID-19 that result in h

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BidenLikesMiners 2 points ago +2 / -0

I just had to rebutt this cuck fully, last part is ahead- he is entirely rekt

LOL, RITE

The ACIP recommendation for use of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines under an EUA is interim and will be updated as additional information becomes available.

FDA requires that vaccine providers report to VAERS vaccination administration errors, serious adverse events,†††††† cases of multisystem inflammatory syndrome, and cases of COVID-19 that result in hospitalization or death after administration of a COVID-19 vaccine under an EUA.

CDC also encourages reporting of any additional clinically significant adverse event, even if it is not clear whether a vaccination caused the event.

LOL. THATS A GOOD ONE. ITS EVEN BETTER THAN SOMEONE TELLING A PUNCH LINE THAT ENDS WITH THEM CLAIMING SANJAY IS A REAL DOC 😂😂

Antibody testingexternal icon is not currently recommended to assess the need for vaccination in an unvaccinated person or to assess for immunity to SARS-CoV-2 following COVID-19 vaccination.

Triple oof

For me, the risk-benefit analysis is clear: Vaccination is safer than infection.

Because youre not a child, faggot

a small part of me thought I might change Joe Rogan's mind about vaccines. After this last exchange, I realized it was probably futile.

Well yeah, seeing as basically most of your oped is propoganda and I dont think you even read what was in those papers you shared, you wont be able to convince anbody but the sheep over at cnn who keep you hired for some reason even though your clear lack of any ability to understand contempory medicinal research. I doubt your abilities as a doctor are voracious.

His mind was made up, and there would always be plenty of misinformation out there neatly packaged to support his convictions.

Ironic, go read your own papers some time, you pompous retard.

Truth is though, I am still glad I did it.

Wow the first sentence in here that isnt a lie (I think)

If just a few of his listeners were convinced, it will have been well worth it.

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BidenLikesMiners 3 points ago +3 / -0

If just a few of his listeners were convinced, it will have been well worth it.

Dont count on it, faggo.

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Steampunk_Moustache 2 points ago +2 / -0

There's no way anyone listened to that podcast and came away with any conclusion other than this guy got fucking annihilated on basically everything.

Like, Joe had him sitting there, forced to concede in front of MILLIONS of people, that CNN, HIS EMPLOYER, are broadcasting complete fucking lies as news about something as simple as Joe Rogan's medical treatment.

As Joe pointed out: If they're willing to knowingly lie to people about this, then they also lie even more about Russia and god knows what else. They can't be trusted on ANYTHING.

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Sneak_King 4 points ago +8 / -4

Who is this currynigger and why does everyone care?

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Galean [S] 10 points ago +10 / -0

He is the head medical advisor for CNN, or something along those lines and he had an interview with Joe Rogan where Joe grilled him about why would we have to vaccinate kids or why did CNN smear him as taking horse de-wormer. The diversity hire dude thought he was intelligent but he broke down unable to answer anything in the interview. Now in order to save face he responded with this article.

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GimmeFuelGimmeFire 7 points ago +7 / -0

It reminds me of the way that Indian hires in Silicon Valley will outsource actual coding work to relatives back in India, if you ask them to write some lines in front of you they would act as though they had just developed carpal-tunnel right then and there. A doctor should be able to answer simple questions unless perhaps his degree is fraudulent. Speaking of India, they used ivermectin to defeat covid and their vaccination rate is somewhere around 5%.

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Crockett 2 points ago +2 / -0

The fact that the headline and opening paragraphs are spent justifying the very notion of having an in depth conversation says a lot.

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BIgDaddyDangler2 2 points ago +2 / -0

Does he look like an Indian Obama to anyone else, or is it just me?

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PostyMcGee 2 points ago +2 / -0

I guess a small part of me thought I might change Joe Rogan's mind about vaccines. After this last exchange, --- This is the hubris of so many Leftists, they believe they are the chosen one who can change someone's mind and make them "see the light" and who's conversion can then be counted among their good works.

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thetimincastle 2 points ago +2 / -0

Truly pathethic