I know that this forum isn't intended for this type of thing, but nonetheless...
There are relatively few places where I can ask this sort of thing without being laughed off, or having to pay, or being placed on some sort of watchlist as an "antivaxxer", especially now NNN is gone, so here we are...
Saying "private entity" felt wrong, in this case, because here I am referring to my University, which uhh, isn't private...
So then, here's the rub: my University wants to mandate that we, as students, need to be vaccinated. That's scary enough, but they specifically want to force us to take the AstraZeneca jab, because that is the only one currently available to people of our age group (i.e. students) across much of Australia. AZ is the one with most of the problems. That is what I really want to avoid, never mind the precedent of being forced to get a jab, overall, even just to complete my classes...
So... What do you think I should do? I'm serious, here. I'm not joking. I need this degree. I know education is overvalued. I know that. But I really do need this stupid piece of paper. So I wondered... What recourse do you think I have, to at least make them wait out a few months until Pfizer is available, if this goes ahead? Aside from "lawyering up", and becoming a "legal test case", that is..?
I should add that two companies in Aus, leaving aside the entire aged-care sector, already have vaxx mandates (fruit production, and an airline, FYI), so... The precedent has already been set.
But yeah, I'm worried about what this means, and I would genuinely appreciate your advice on this. Cheers in advance, and thanks for (hopefully) taking this somewhat seriously...
Religious/medical exemption is your only hope, unless some kind of deal that you never enter campus and study solely online could be made.
:-(
Funnily enough, someone did ask about "purely online study" for my faculty, when the Vice Chancellor (you know, head honcho) held an online "Virtual Town Hall" last week...
She outright refused to even accept that as a possibility for Science/Engineering... In fact, she went so far as to contend that TOO MUCH of it is online, currently, and it should all be "brought back into the fold", and held in person, once lockdowns ended...
We're fucked, then, aren't we? We are absolutely, irretrievably fucked. :-/
Damn.
That doesn't surprise me in the slightest. It's like some weird switch went on in everyone. I could speculate why, but if you've seen my posts here, you know what I'd say. (It's the fact that most vaccine deaths are male.)
Are you male or female? I haven't heard that many reports of female deaths from AZ. Most victims were male.
Although my advice in your case, regardless of gender, is to quote the health advice of the United Kingdom, who blocked AstraZeneca for younger people. Some EU countries did as well, but I think they backed down.
Nah, male, dude. Thanks for not pre-judging, ahaha.
Yeah, I nearly said something about the fact of the VC being a woman, and that playing a part, but left it out, ha... To say I "dislike her" is an understatement and a half, and I have personally had to deal with the cow, so that's... Fun.
But yeah, re AstraZeneca, oh boy, do I have some "fun" to show you re that: https://health-desk.org/articles/two-more-deaths-linked-to-the-astrazeneca-vaccine-in-australia
Australia has a health advice committee which decides if vaccines are "safe", right..? They came out and said the same as the UK committee you mention. But Australia blundered, and had a fuck-tonne of excess AZ doses, so guess what our almighty Prime Minister went ahead and did?
He overruled the health committee (ATAGI). He literally told them to "change their advice", and then when they refused to, he just went around them, to make it so under-40s could get AstraZeneca, but in so-doing, any doctor administering it would be "indemnified" against any side effects...
That's where we're at now. And apparently it "precipitated a rush" of willing millennial guinea pigs, who were more than happy to indemnify their doctor, and take something that they KNOW could have health consequences, but damn it, who cares, right?
That's why the university is pushing it, and that is why they feel they can force me to take it, if I want to go back to doing my fucking courses...
Scary, right?
I know it seems like the UK is mad, sometimes, but I promise you, Australia will always, always find a way to outdo them, lol...
We're a weird bunch, down here, and yes, I completely agree with you that feminism plays a big part in that. God knows why, but we're literally the most feminist Anglo nation, aside from NZ (Canada is more "leftist", but less feminist and slightly less authoritarian, oddly)... How on earth that happened - you tell me. :-/
Broken clocks can be right twice a day.
I'm honestly surprised the UK was on the right side of anything.
How is this even legal? I thought trusting the experts was gospel at this point, even to the leftist trash.
I know a lot of suckers who did. Smart people, not stupid at all, but when they got their "chance" to be vaccinated, they took it.
I don't know...I just think that some people are just so scared of Covid because of the media -I made a thread explaining it a little if you're interested that they will pretty much do anything to remove that fear. Hypochondria is a known mental condition and the media is deliberately causing it, to push these vaccines on people.
I don't think you should do it just because they make you. Just stall for time somehow. I wish I could be more help but I just think you shouldn't risk your life for a degree.
NZ is in a class of their own, remember when Ardern suspended elections? Nobody said a word in any of the world media.
She did but there was actually not much to it. In NZ the election date is set at the sole prerogative of PM, provided it is within 3 years of the last election. When Ardern postponed the election it was still within that allowed time frame, parliament had yet to be dissolved and the writ yet to be issued, therefore was completely legal under NZ law for her to do this.
I wonder if I can claim a "mental health" exemption..?
Fucking doubt it, but man it would be funny if I could!
That's probably the best I'm gonna get, sadly...
Chronic back pain? Childhood asthma? I highly doubt the "health bureaucracy" of the Uni/more broadly, here, will accept those, sadly... But shit, I might just have to try, as you say...
Do not say you have asthma or you'll be placed in a high risk category and pretty much forced.
Suspend your inscription for a year. And start looking for new universities and request a transfer.
If you can't find a good university to attend in person, some may have online-only courses. You might even be able to sign up for an online-only course for a university outside of Aus, just make sure the piece of paper is recognized.
I suspect after another year passes it'll become clear how pointless these mandates are. Although they'll probably just double down in the face of opposing evidence like they've been doing.
I hope they will just "forget" about it and quietly remove the mandatory mandates...
lie
and when asked for proof keep stonewalling
Generally the president of the university lives on campus. Get together with some likeminded people and protest to the point that they cannot leave their home without walking through an angry mob. Don't attack them, just demand MY BODY MY CHOICE. Over and Over.
Dont talk to journalist, dont talk to critics. There is only one answer that is good enough and that is the university agreeing in a legal document that they do not have the authority to enact medical mandates on their students.
If you get arrested, yell even louder MY BODY MY CHOICE. If they go ahead with it anyway well . . .
You said you needed the degree, but didn’t say why. Why do you need the degree?
Eh, money, basically...
It's very hard, in Aus, to make a decent living without a) a degree, or b) an apprenticeship, both of which take time and money... Especially if you are over 25, and don't have 10+ years experience in a single field, which I am, and do not.
I would argue the degree is the easier route (for me personally), and is easier to make money on the side at the same time, plus the construction industry, amongst other things, is ALSO mandating vaccines, so even if I went the apprenticeship route, it wouldn't help me avoid the thing I addressed in this post... Catch-22, and all that... Besides, I just... Don't think I'm cut out for an apprenticeship, and I hated Trades School, when I did go to it, lol...
But yeah, basically I just... It's hard to get by in Aus without any of the above, and I'm already several years down the "advanced degree path", hence why I just want to get it finished, and over with, and be qualified... Ideally without getting blood clots... :-/
Dang that sucks. Not familiar with the career options in Australia, but I wish you luck.
One thing I would say though is even if you are still enrolled in school just keep applying for places anyways and see if you can get something to stick without a degree. The interview experience will help at the very least.
I’d think religious exemption or a medical reason.
There are a couple suggestions:
Religious exemption is probably the most obvious, but simultaneously is going to probably be the hardest, and will almost assuredly require a lawyer getting involved because these people are willing to go to extreme lengths.
Medical exemption is the "easiest" but requires that you actually have a medical exemption....or a doctor that is willing to "help" get you a medical exemption. Though there are some other factors at play here that can help. Such as: A family member (including extended family) suffering an adverse reaction to this (or any coronavirus) vaccine. Or family members suffering adverse reactions to any vaccine(s). The first 1 is an easier argument, the second one is a bit more challenging but should still work.
If neither of these apply to you....the only other option you have is a legal battle. Basing things on informed consent, the right to refuse treatment, and the Nuremberg Code (which ties into both).
Not sure about the law in upsidedown land... or for that matter how useful this suggestion will be given corrupt assholes like that seem to wipe their ass with the law then use it for a wank rag. This is a human rights issue, mention the numenburg code and see if they stiffen a bit, not likely but its something i guess. like others said seek religious exemption, far more reliable. maybe convert to mormonism for a bit perhaps? the folks on no new normal could likely help ya better
A recent lawsuit cited the Nuremberg Code and it was still thrown out. Someone linked to the suit here a while back when I made a similar suggestion.
What's the verification like in aus? You could look into forgery, if they have to manually verify there's a good chance they aren't going to actually check anyone who doesn't already seem suspicious.
On the even less ethical side given why you don't want it, you could try to find someone willing to get a jab under your name, assuming they don't check ID then as long as the appointment was made in your name they won't have any idea of who they actually jabbed.
Don't know about Australia, but public schools here in New York are going the vaccine mandate as well. And in this case, when the mandate was issued it was conditioned on the vaccines being moved from experimental approval to full approval. And, here in the US they have not moved out of experimental approval. So, I think someone could make that argument.
Don't know if that applies in Australia, but might be worth looking into.
FDA is going to approve them anyway in the near future. We're going to be as fucked as Australia then.
Do you have someone you trust. I was vaxed at a GP and all they checked was my medicare card. So if you gave your card to a buddy and they get the jab in your name. Now that boosters are all the rage, probably pro-vaxers will be happy.
It's probably a crime, but fuck the entire system in my opinion.
This is a situation where you really need to understand the policies themselves. The administrators will have a very large set of regulations that they adhere to that they then try to summarize into emails they send to students. But these emails aren't binding: the regulations are. You need to read the regulations themselves. Ask for a copy. Also try to find them online. They may be on your school's website, or in the catalog, or maybe even part of your state/federal regulations if it's a public school.
The other thing to look at would be the government authorization for the AstraZeneca vaccine. One of the items that document should have is a list of medical conditions that prevents someone from being able to receive it. Usually this is things like allergic reactions to ingredients in the vaccine but may include other medical conditions. Hell you may read it and find you really do have a valid medical exemption.
Treat this as you would an important research paper for a class you care about. Primary sources only. You will not "wonder" if you can claim certain exemptions; you will know.
Three things that are important to understand from those policies:
This is a bit of a "choose your own adventure" where you have to decide whether you're going to claim an exemption or claim you were vaccinated and stall for time not providing documentation or provide a false document. My gut says that for a public university providing a false document is probably a bad idea because there could be (criminal) penalties beyond just getting kicked out of school.
Then if you go the exemption route you will have to decide if it's for religious reasons or medical reasons. These regulations are very nation-specific and depend on whether governments formally define/register religious organizations and what those requirements are. And different governments will probably have different requirements for medical exemptions. Read and understand yours.
Tell them to suck a dick.
that gonna be a lot harder, M8, you better have balls of steel.
Az is slightly more dangerous than the others. Do your other students agree with you there?
I think Gab put out links for sheets to help claim exemption.
No jab no job. Curious how Australia ends up. Camps for the new homeless who can't work because they won't get the jab?
Truly sorry about your situation, mate.
I wish I had something to tell you, but honestly this truly is Clown World and all the legal and lawful ways you SHOULD have been able to claim exemption seem to be overruled by tyrants.
It's like they really want to kill off a lot of their population.
I know some people here constantly claim the vaccines are safe, but the risks associated with them are just so far worse than anything COVID will ever do to a healthy person.
Also those same people telling you the vaccines are safe aren't going to be anywhere near you or offer you any help or support if you encounter any sort of health complications. They won't take care of you, get you food, pay your bills, or help you recover or accommodate the trauma your family may go through from any serious side effects, or worse, death.
Maybe a lawyer here from down under can offer you some pro bono advice on your legal options, but given all the indemnifications being handed out to health authorities and big pharma, it doesn't look good.
Barring that, I don't know if you're religious or not, but given how governments have literally subverted the very health laws put in place to protect citizens, your only option left seems to be to pray.
Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
If you want to eat at the good little piggy feed trough don’t be surprised when you are treated like livestock.
Get jabbed, livestock. It’s what you asked for.
HIPAA means you have no legal requirement to disclose your medical information. At all. YOU DON'T SAY SHIT.
Even if there is, the USA made a bunch of emergency declarations to sidestep HIPAA. I would expect under post-freedom Australia similar declarations were made.
Yeah, to my knowledge we're still in a "State of Emergency" (at least, I presume Qld, where the University is situated, is, like much of the rest of the country...), which basically means the normal rule of law is suspended, so... Even if we DO have something like that here (which I highly doubt. I mean, honestly, we all know what Australia is like by now...), I imagine it will be sidestepped/suspended, at present...
As I said in another comment, to old mate Impossible, our Prime Minister literally tried to overrule the public health standing committee on vaccines (that is, an independent body, supposedly outside of politics), which... Tells you all you need to know, really.
In 2021 Aus, "rules for thee, but not for me", is quite literally the default position, here... Fuck, they even said in a "press conference" last week that any and all vaccine mandates won't apply to PUBLIC SERVANTS (i.e. the politicians themselves, and their advisors/staff/minions), because they are not in a "public facing" position... :-/ I'm not making that up...
I have zero confidence in the "rule of law", here, anymore, which is just... Kind of depressing, honestly. Barring a revolution (which won't happen), I'm really not sure that there's any real way out of this. :-(
Sorry for the blackpill. I'm just spitballin'. But I think people sometimes underestimate just how bad this is getting (everywhere, not just where I am), so... It's important that we're awake to that, I suppose, if nothing else!!