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The SocJus folks blaming "capitalism" for the Gulf of Mexico gas leak fail to realise that Pemex (the company responsible) is state-owned and state-run after being nationalised and expropriated by the Mexican government (archive.is)
posted 4 years ago by UnsubtleAardvark 4 years ago by UnsubtleAardvark +103 / -0
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– IfThatIsWhatYouThink 22 points 4 years ago +22 / -0

This is entirely accurate. Look at any push for "gun control". Always a cacophony of "We need to something NOW!" and "Don't you dare stop to question if it will actually accomplish the alleged goal, or you support murder!". Always demanding action immediately is a good indicator of a scam in general.

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– acp_k2win 26 points 4 years ago +26 / -0

still capitalisms fault for not making a better company for the govt to steal

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– realerfunction 27 points 4 years ago +27 / -0

no it isn't, it's socialism.

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– M1919A2 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

More it’s textbook fascism.

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– realerfunction 10 points 4 years ago +10 / -0

which is just socialism without the soy

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– realerfunction 16 points 4 years ago +16 / -0

no part of capitalism entails state control.

every part of socialism entails state control.

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– Kweebecker 26 points 4 years ago +26 / -0

Siezing the means of production by the governing body is LITERALLY what the founder of communism said communism was.

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– M1919A2 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

If it’s the workers seizing the means it’s communist. If it’s the state it’s fascism.

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– IfThatIsWhatYouThink 23 points 4 years ago +23 / -0

Remember kids, the only reason "real communism has never been tried" is because they always rename communism's inevitable failures to something else. See also "state capitalism", because they're always just one more try from their perfect little commie utopia.

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– Kweebecker 8 points 4 years ago +8 / -0

If the workers ARE the state, even if only on paper, then it's both.

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– reidj 6 points 4 years ago +6 / -0

One economics textbook I read uncoupled ownership of property and central planning. According to the authors, both communism and fascism are centrally planned. The difference is that in communism, the property is state-owned and in fascism, it's privately owned.

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– ghostfox1_ 12 points 4 years ago +12 / -0

It's the real world socialism.

If you haven't figured this out by now, you might be a loss.

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– TentElephant 11 points 4 years ago +11 / -0

Capital is stored time and labor. Capitalism is saving resources for future production or consumption. Every person with a dollar in their pocket is a capitalist. To end capitalism is to end civilization.

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– TentElephant 12 points 4 years ago +12 / -0

How very Rousseauan. I'll note you down as self-declared enemy of civilization.

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– TentElephant 9 points 4 years ago +9 / -0

Spengler isn't advocating for an animalistic degeneration of humanity to a form below hunter-gathers.

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... continue reading thread?
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– krzyzowiec 10 points 4 years ago +10 / -0

Capitalism is defined as private ownership. Now when you get into things like government bailouts, or government contracts, then I think you have a good point about whether those companies are truly private, but state capitalism is an oxymoron.

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– Ahaus667 22 points 4 years ago +22 / -0

People seem to forget just how egregiously wasteful communist societies are. Communist Russia, Central/South America, China, and women are all extremely wasteful. Hell, China was caught using chemicals banned back in the 80s because they were so egregiously used that they reopened the ozone layer above China.

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– Arkana 17 points 4 years ago +17 / -0

Communist economies always need to price things based on a market with free trade, or else they end up with massive amounts of waste. They do not respond quickly or efficiently to people's actual demands.

When people only have a quota they no longer care about quality and just aim for getting it made as cheaply and quickly as possible.

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– cartoonericroberts 15 points 4 years ago +15 / -0

All the biggest environmental disasters have been caused by governments.

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– Whizwit21 9 points 4 years ago +9 / -0

And the top exec is a woman…. So we have a government program run by a woman that failed royally and fucked up the environment.

How will they cope?

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– censorthisss 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

How will they cope?

Down the memoryhole it goes....

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– KekistanPM 5 points 4 years ago +5 / -0

Must be nice to be a socialist dictator where they can blame their failures on capitalist countries and not get called out on their lack of verifiable proof.

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– MegoThor 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

The "Soc" in SocJus is short for Socialism.

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– Kalamander85 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

Watch them pivot into "THIS IS WHY WE NEED GREEN ENERGY REEEEEEE!!!!"

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