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The SocJus folks blaming "capitalism" for the Gulf of Mexico gas leak fail to realise that Pemex (the company responsible) is state-owned and state-run after being nationalised and expropriated by the Mexican government (archive.is)
posted 4 years ago by UnsubtleAardvark 4 years ago by UnsubtleAardvark +103 / -0
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– acp_k2win 26 points 4 years ago +26 / -0

still capitalisms fault for not making a better company for the govt to steal

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– realerfunction 27 points 4 years ago +27 / -0

no it isn't, it's socialism.

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– M1919A2 -1 points 4 years ago +2 / -3

More it’s textbook fascism.

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– realerfunction 10 points 4 years ago +10 / -0

which is just socialism without the soy

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– realerfunction 16 points 4 years ago +16 / -0

no part of capitalism entails state control.

every part of socialism entails state control.

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– Kweebecker 26 points 4 years ago +26 / -0

Siezing the means of production by the governing body is LITERALLY what the founder of communism said communism was.

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– M1919A2 -9 points 4 years ago +1 / -10

If it’s the workers seizing the means it’s communist. If it’s the state it’s fascism.

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– IfThatIsWhatYouThink 23 points 4 years ago +23 / -0

Remember kids, the only reason "real communism has never been tried" is because they always rename communism's inevitable failures to something else. See also "state capitalism", because they're always just one more try from their perfect little commie utopia.

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– Kweebecker 8 points 4 years ago +8 / -0

If the workers ARE the state, even if only on paper, then it's both.

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– reidj 6 points 4 years ago +6 / -0

One economics textbook I read uncoupled ownership of property and central planning. According to the authors, both communism and fascism are centrally planned. The difference is that in communism, the property is state-owned and in fascism, it's privately owned.

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– ghostfox1_ 12 points 4 years ago +12 / -0

It's the real world socialism.

If you haven't figured this out by now, you might be a loss.

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– TentElephant 11 points 4 years ago +11 / -0

Capital is stored time and labor. Capitalism is saving resources for future production or consumption. Every person with a dollar in their pocket is a capitalist. To end capitalism is to end civilization.

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– TentElephant 12 points 4 years ago +12 / -0

How very Rousseauan. I'll note you down as self-declared enemy of civilization.

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– krzyzowiec 10 points 4 years ago +10 / -0

Capitalism is defined as private ownership. Now when you get into things like government bailouts, or government contracts, then I think you have a good point about whether those companies are truly private, but state capitalism is an oxymoron.

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