Lets be honest, that picture for Dungeon Builder would sell millions of copies.
It is getting old, their main critique of misogyny is that guys like boobs and sexy girls and are willing to pay for it?
I know that the idea of universal beauty is being thrown under the buss lately but can you honestly tell me that there is a straight guy out there who does not like that art? Is there anything done by rabid feminists that would be even remotely on the same level of appreciation?
Even her smile in that picture conveys a clear message that she knows exactly what power she is wielding with her body. But appreciating that means taking a stance more complicated than "anything a straight male might like is muh soggy knees"
I saw that volume of it pop up on Comixology the other day and it certainly made me pause and give the series a look, even if I didn't end up buying it. Spite purchases are definitely something I can budget for, so I might yet pick it up.
Honestly, given the hordes of manga that are out there, I probably would have never heard of this one if it weren't for Conway's virtue-signaling ass, so I have him to thank for introducing me to yet another series that might not be high literature, but it damn sure looks like it's a fun read.
The constant hypocrisy is so tiring. Wanting someone to conform to your culture when they move into your society is racist and colonialist, but finger wagging and attacking a product of a completely separate culture as sexist and misogynistic and needing to change to be more like your culture's version of that product, is a-ok.
It's legitimately pathetic, the only way they can attempt to compete with even middling quality manga is through ideologically fuelled attacks and trying to reduce the quality of the medium as a whole.
Probably because most people think of American comics first and the rest of the world second.
Lol, even with the huge popularity of the movies, that isnt true and hasn't been for years. It's just the kind of people who complain about that stuff are culturally ignorant and currently only care about comics because of the movies.
That's why the only option is to triple down and fuck up their programming. Call yourself a mega-misogymaster, use their soapbox to promote 7 other great products, and then laugh at their feeble dogpile.
You won't win anything by defending it, or trying to reason with them. All they understand is raw offense.
A few points. I want to ask how this guy feels about actual children having shit like that dirty whore Cardi B talk about her STD-filled vagina pushed in their faces. Let me guess, that's empowering and freeing. Having a million abortions, having an Only Fans because "I'm a woman, I shouldn't actually WORK".
The argument that silly ass manga about some dude going on adventure with big titty waifus is going to make life horrible for women is retarded, when women nowadays are more than willing to be self-destructive idiots.
Would you murder your own unborn child... for a role is some nerd wank bait TV show? Not because you are about to bring on a breakthrough in science. Nah. Shitty show biz.
Second. In anime there are a lot of hot women... who are competent at what they do. They are endearing. They have real character, instead of "UHM, she is flawless feminazoid number 7562". What if she has big tits? She is smart, loyal, kind, funny, etc. BUT THE TITS. Suddenly we are freaking out about them, when 2 minutes ago it was freedom. Fuck off.
Third, nobody cares. Maybe, just maybe try to do your job good enough that you are not broke after decades in the industry? MAYBE. Like the US comic book industry is in the shitter. Frankenstein's Monster Vissaggio will keep getting gigs while everything he does flops. Meanwhile, these dudes virtue signal on social media every day for crumbs.
Solve that and then maaaaybe we can listen to your opinion on Japan.
In anime there are a lot of hot women... who are competent at what they do.
In fact, I would go so far as to say that, unless the anime/manga is up front about being wank bait from the beginning, the fact they are competent is just as important as their looks. Back before 'Rona, I went to an anime club at the local university just to shoot the shit and we would watch new anime every semester. One of them that we watched was Fire Force. Everyone loved it and thought it was great...except one character, named Tamaki. The girl on the team that, when she activated her fire powers, turned into a cat-like form and fought that way. At first, people liked her. It didnt matter that she was usually walking fanservice in most of her scenes, getting into situations like dudes accidently grabbing her boobs or getting stuck face down in her thighs. When the action actually started, she was actually fairly competent. Not the best fighter of the team, but one of the better ones.
But then, after a certain episode where she needed to be rescued by the main character, she was literally moved to desk duty and becomes nothing but fanservice. And most people in club started to move away from liking her toward Maki or Sister Iris, both of whom also had their own moments of fanservice, but retained their competency.
And as for myself, when I looked over my personally kept Waifu list, the overwhelming majority of them on there are women who have the looks AND the ability, and I have turned my nose up at more than a few other instances of waifu-bait because the only thing going for them was their looks, so I was not interested.
That's why they've gone back to broad swipes over the years, when they try to drag on things like Moe the outrage of 'how dare they like these girls for a specific personality type!' ends up making them look foolish.
Then again, I see that and I also see the other side. Do you think it's healthy for a little girl to be taught she needs to be a whore? It's really bad for both genders.
I do think so, actually. Convincing them their only worth is sex. That they should compete and show their worth compared to other women with doing increasingly more degenerate things. It teaches them that distorting their looks is the only way to stay relevant. It shows them that having boundaries when it comes to their bodies and sexuality is wrong and then they get unhappy when they find out that yes, some things still make them really uncomfortable, but everyone tells them they shouldn't feel that way.
It also attracts scummy company. Many of them end up spending time with morally questionable people. Then they wonder why their relationships are all shitty, why all their friends as selfish ans superficial, etc.
A bunch end up being super promiscuous. STDs and all sorts of gynecological issues happen to them. A bunch have abortions. Again, it makes them even more unhappy.
You can say it's just them being temporarily embarrassed, but I feel it's much more than that. I'm also not saying they are not reponsible for their deeds.
Same goes for men as well, though. Their views get twisted. But also many just don"t care and run head first into this.
The responses to this from the Japanese show that even they understand that political correctness is the reason comics aren't selling. They also know that taking existing IP and filling it with SJW shit was what drove people away.
Can we just appreciate the timing of this, in the wake of quite possibility these companies and superheros in general being at an all time high? If I were them, i'd be bracing for when that bubble pops.
GOOD, I watched these fucks throw wildlife under the bus because some primitive nigger whines about "muh kultur", LET them fight it out now because 'muh mysogyny/muh racism" vs "muh kultur".
This from Gerry Conway, the dude who created what ended up being one of the most booba-tacular heroines in the DCU. But then again, we already knew he went full libtard when he started bitching about the usage of the Punisher's skull symbol.
Quite honestly, I'm starting to get sick of the whole misogyny/male gaze bullshit when it comes to tits in artwork (or in real life, for that matter). It's a clear case of lighting up the Virtue Signal in Conway's part, and a massive case of double-standards when it comes to the bullshit feminists and SJWs spew.
The current japanese economic dystopia is so disappointing. What happened to the 80's? The glorious dystopian visions, the likes of Dominion or Akira? All mangaka can come up with is "I woke up and I wasn't here".
Like, grow a pair and try something bold. Drop some asteroids, flood Sagami Bay like YKK, have youkai blow up some reactors like Arjuna... just do SOMETHING besides more frigging isekai.
I mean, every medium has its generic genre designed to sell to without rocking the boat too much, with the subverting that being the only ones anyone remembers. Shield Hero will probably be the only isekai people remember in the next decade for being the opposite of escapist fantasy (at first).
The same way everyone remembers Evangelion, but not forgotten mecha like Rahxephon or Eureka Seven.
Memes are not as long lasting as you'd think. Ask Haruhi who went from a billion dollar IP to completely dead over in a few years.
Or for a non-manga example. Look how little talk of Game of Thrones there is now, despite being a juggernaut with infinite memes and talk just a few years back.
They'll be remembered for their waifus by dedicated men, but likely just them. That's why I'm the only person who even remembers Busou Renkin for my scar faced waifu.
In the case of game of thrones though I would say that’s just because the retards in charge of it let it get so shitty and made such a god-awful ending it essentially killed the franchise in it’s tracks. It would still be huge if they’d stuck the landing even a little bit.
That's true, but proof that memeability is not enough to keep a ship afloat.
It and Haruhi are almost exactly similar in that regard, in that a single season of Haruhi literally tanked the franchise so hard literally no one cared about it again. In their case it wasn't even shitty, it was putting "art" before "does anyone care tho."
I went yesterday to look at the lineup of new releases in manga and anime and roughly a quarter of the titles were isekai. Some of which don't even need to be isekai to work as stories, and only are isekai because of escapism on the part of the mangaka.
Quarter is not that much. That means there is more that is not isekai. So whats the issue?
It sounds here that you are complaining that isekai even exists. There are people who want that stuff. Leave them to it. Things not isekai are being made and you are not forced to read isekai.
It sounds here that you are complaining that isekai even exists.
Somewhat, yes.
There's something perversely wrong about isekai as a genre. I think it belies a loss of both imagination and optimism, that we can't merely have a setting, that it must be contextualized in relation to our world.
I hate it in the same way that I hate how Battlestar Galactica ended in the present. It's like they took "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away" and then felt obliged to say "no, really, see?".
And sure, isekai, lots of it is same tropes over and over again. I agree with you there. But that doesn't mean it has no right to exist if people like it and want it.
It just has to not be the only thing around. And it isn't just by your own post.
Look, isekai is just a trend just like how moe was a trend and it seemed like everything was moe but eventually anime and manga moved on.
I'm not disagreeing on that. I'm just saying that's pretty normal for the industry.
I was there in the 00s when every god damned thing was trying to be the next slice of life hit, where the escapism was the mangaka wanted his harem of cute girls that all loved his generic protag.
Many of which had interesting ideas somewhere, but attached the cliche parts anyway. One of those interesting ones was Oreimo, which became its own genre of "slice of life harem, but incest is the center."
I'm fine with isekai stories. They have purpose, they have a role in the "ecosystem" of storytelling.
But purpose is the keyword there. They need one. And not just tangentially. Like, to use the Quartet:
Overlord doesn't need to be an Isekai, or at least, a double-isekai. Re:Zero doesn't need to be an isekai. KonoSuba does need to be an isekai. Youjo Senki does need to be an isekai. You can have a tale of a misplaced lichlord without needing him to be a teenage gamer, he was isekai'd twice after all. You can have a hopeless, reviving, witch-"blessed" romantic without needing ten introductory seconds of "so I was at a convenience store". But Kazuma uses his Earthly knowledge to his advantage, and the fact others also isekai'd there shaped literally the entire setting from ancient history to present. And Tanya uses Earthly knowledge all the time, her application of modern morals in war is why she has the title "The Evil".
Digimon the isekai makes sense. There are NO humans there, their existence disrupts the world in notable ways. Inuyasha the isekai makes sense, both worlds play active roles in the plot. Hamefura: The entire plot is made by the MC trying to actively derail that very plot.
On the other extremes... Interspecies Reviewers is technically an isekai anime. But no named character is an isekai'd character, they just exist in the background lore. The sole reason it's an isekai, is to mock our world. Not really needed, but it is a comedy series so leniency. And the other opposite extreme, some people call Goblin Slayer an isekai anime. It has the walled town with the adventuring guild and the river going two-thirds past center through it. Characters have random OP powers, and arbitrary guild ranks, and the MC is powerful because he does SCIENCE! ...Not an isekai. Didn't need to be. Fits the mould PERFECTLY... And isn't. Wonderful. Amazing. Deserves more viewers just for that trait alone.
Also, weird that you chose two mecha anime that people forgot that also happen to reference Maurice Maeterlinck (full disclosure, I have not actually watched RahXephon).
I dropped both of them because RahXephon felt so generic, and the MC of Eureka Seven (Renton Thurston, a name so over the top I never forgot it) was so unlikable I couldn't physically stand him.
And honestly they were the first that came to mind that weren't Gundam so that was coincidental, though interesting. Well those two and Vandread.
We must protect the children from illustrations of big tits- but don't you dare complain about child drag shows, you bigots!
Lets be honest, that picture for Dungeon Builder would sell millions of copies. It is getting old, their main critique of misogyny is that guys like boobs and sexy girls and are willing to pay for it?
I know that the idea of universal beauty is being thrown under the buss lately but can you honestly tell me that there is a straight guy out there who does not like that art? Is there anything done by rabid feminists that would be even remotely on the same level of appreciation?
Even her smile in that picture conveys a clear message that she knows exactly what power she is wielding with her body. But appreciating that means taking a stance more complicated than "anything a straight male might like is muh soggy knees"
#smuganimegirls
I saw that volume of it pop up on Comixology the other day and it certainly made me pause and give the series a look, even if I didn't end up buying it. Spite purchases are definitely something I can budget for, so I might yet pick it up.
Honestly, given the hordes of manga that are out there, I probably would have never heard of this one if it weren't for Conway's virtue-signaling ass, so I have him to thank for introducing me to yet another series that might not be high literature, but it damn sure looks like it's a fun read.
His profile pic is of him getting a vaccine omg. XD.
I KNOW, I SAW THAT. These people are walking parodies of what they represent. They literally are not human.
The constant hypocrisy is so tiring. Wanting someone to conform to your culture when they move into your society is racist and colonialist, but finger wagging and attacking a product of a completely separate culture as sexist and misogynistic and needing to change to be more like your culture's version of that product, is a-ok.
It's legitimately pathetic, the only way they can attempt to compete with even middling quality manga is through ideologically fuelled attacks and trying to reduce the quality of the medium as a whole.
Lol, even with the huge popularity of the movies, that isnt true and hasn't been for years. It's just the kind of people who complain about that stuff are culturally ignorant and currently only care about comics because of the movies.
That's why the only option is to triple down and fuck up their programming. Call yourself a mega-misogymaster, use their soapbox to promote 7 other great products, and then laugh at their feeble dogpile.
You won't win anything by defending it, or trying to reason with them. All they understand is raw offense.
A few points. I want to ask how this guy feels about actual children having shit like that dirty whore Cardi B talk about her STD-filled vagina pushed in their faces. Let me guess, that's empowering and freeing. Having a million abortions, having an Only Fans because "I'm a woman, I shouldn't actually WORK".
The argument that silly ass manga about some dude going on adventure with big titty waifus is going to make life horrible for women is retarded, when women nowadays are more than willing to be self-destructive idiots.
Would you murder your own unborn child... for a role is some nerd wank bait TV show? Not because you are about to bring on a breakthrough in science. Nah. Shitty show biz.
Second. In anime there are a lot of hot women... who are competent at what they do. They are endearing. They have real character, instead of "UHM, she is flawless feminazoid number 7562". What if she has big tits? She is smart, loyal, kind, funny, etc. BUT THE TITS. Suddenly we are freaking out about them, when 2 minutes ago it was freedom. Fuck off.
Third, nobody cares. Maybe, just maybe try to do your job good enough that you are not broke after decades in the industry? MAYBE. Like the US comic book industry is in the shitter. Frankenstein's Monster Vissaggio will keep getting gigs while everything he does flops. Meanwhile, these dudes virtue signal on social media every day for crumbs.
Solve that and then maaaaybe we can listen to your opinion on Japan.
In fact, I would go so far as to say that, unless the anime/manga is up front about being wank bait from the beginning, the fact they are competent is just as important as their looks. Back before 'Rona, I went to an anime club at the local university just to shoot the shit and we would watch new anime every semester. One of them that we watched was Fire Force. Everyone loved it and thought it was great...except one character, named Tamaki. The girl on the team that, when she activated her fire powers, turned into a cat-like form and fought that way. At first, people liked her. It didnt matter that she was usually walking fanservice in most of her scenes, getting into situations like dudes accidently grabbing her boobs or getting stuck face down in her thighs. When the action actually started, she was actually fairly competent. Not the best fighter of the team, but one of the better ones.
But then, after a certain episode where she needed to be rescued by the main character, she was literally moved to desk duty and becomes nothing but fanservice. And most people in club started to move away from liking her toward Maki or Sister Iris, both of whom also had their own moments of fanservice, but retained their competency.
And as for myself, when I looked over my personally kept Waifu list, the overwhelming majority of them on there are women who have the looks AND the ability, and I have turned my nose up at more than a few other instances of waifu-bait because the only thing going for them was their looks, so I was not interested.
The anime treated Tamaki better than the manga did.
That's why they've gone back to broad swipes over the years, when they try to drag on things like Moe the outrage of 'how dare they like these girls for a specific personality type!' ends up making them look foolish.
Then again, I see that and I also see the other side. Do you think it's healthy for a little girl to be taught she needs to be a whore? It's really bad for both genders.
I do think so, actually. Convincing them their only worth is sex. That they should compete and show their worth compared to other women with doing increasingly more degenerate things. It teaches them that distorting their looks is the only way to stay relevant. It shows them that having boundaries when it comes to their bodies and sexuality is wrong and then they get unhappy when they find out that yes, some things still make them really uncomfortable, but everyone tells them they shouldn't feel that way.
It also attracts scummy company. Many of them end up spending time with morally questionable people. Then they wonder why their relationships are all shitty, why all their friends as selfish ans superficial, etc.
A bunch end up being super promiscuous. STDs and all sorts of gynecological issues happen to them. A bunch have abortions. Again, it makes them even more unhappy.
You can say it's just them being temporarily embarrassed, but I feel it's much more than that. I'm also not saying they are not reponsible for their deeds.
Same goes for men as well, though. Their views get twisted. But also many just don"t care and run head first into this.
He's just mad Manga has overtaken the comics industry.
https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/48284/april-2021-npd-bookscan-top-20-adult-graphic-novels
The responses to this from the Japanese show that even they understand that political correctness is the reason comics aren't selling. They also know that taking existing IP and filling it with SJW shit was what drove people away.
Can we just appreciate the timing of this, in the wake of quite possibility these companies and superheros in general being at an all time high? If I were them, i'd be bracing for when that bubble pops.
GOOD, I watched these fucks throw wildlife under the bus because some primitive nigger whines about "muh kultur", LET them fight it out now because 'muh mysogyny/muh racism" vs "muh kultur".
This from Gerry Conway, the dude who created what ended up being one of the most booba-tacular heroines in the DCU. But then again, we already knew he went full libtard when he started bitching about the usage of the Punisher's skull symbol.
Quite honestly, I'm starting to get sick of the whole misogyny/male gaze bullshit when it comes to tits in artwork (or in real life, for that matter). It's a clear case of lighting up the Virtue Signal in Conway's part, and a massive case of double-standards when it comes to the bullshit feminists and SJWs spew.
Does he regret the creation of Power Girl and Vixen, or is he just trying to redirect heat onto the Japanese?
What talent? It's isekai.
The current japanese economic dystopia is so disappointing. What happened to the 80's? The glorious dystopian visions, the likes of Dominion or Akira? All mangaka can come up with is "I woke up and I wasn't here".
Like, grow a pair and try something bold. Drop some asteroids, flood Sagami Bay like YKK, have youkai blow up some reactors like Arjuna... just do SOMETHING besides more frigging isekai.
I mean, every medium has its generic genre designed to sell to without rocking the boat too much, with the subverting that being the only ones anyone remembers. Shield Hero will probably be the only isekai people remember in the next decade for being the opposite of escapist fantasy (at first).
The same way everyone remembers Evangelion, but not forgotten mecha like Rahxephon or Eureka Seven.
Re zero and konosuba will live on, even if only through the sheer volume of memes.
Memes are not as long lasting as you'd think. Ask Haruhi who went from a billion dollar IP to completely dead over in a few years.
Or for a non-manga example. Look how little talk of Game of Thrones there is now, despite being a juggernaut with infinite memes and talk just a few years back.
They'll be remembered for their waifus by dedicated men, but likely just them. That's why I'm the only person who even remembers Busou Renkin for my scar faced waifu.
In the case of game of thrones though I would say that’s just because the retards in charge of it let it get so shitty and made such a god-awful ending it essentially killed the franchise in it’s tracks. It would still be huge if they’d stuck the landing even a little bit.
That's true, but proof that memeability is not enough to keep a ship afloat.
It and Haruhi are almost exactly similar in that regard, in that a single season of Haruhi literally tanked the franchise so hard literally no one cared about it again. In their case it wasn't even shitty, it was putting "art" before "does anyone care tho."
I went yesterday to look at the lineup of new releases in manga and anime and roughly a quarter of the titles were isekai. Some of which don't even need to be isekai to work as stories, and only are isekai because of escapism on the part of the mangaka.
Quarter is not that much. That means there is more that is not isekai. So whats the issue?
It sounds here that you are complaining that isekai even exists. There are people who want that stuff. Leave them to it. Things not isekai are being made and you are not forced to read isekai.
Somewhat, yes.
There's something perversely wrong about isekai as a genre. I think it belies a loss of both imagination and optimism, that we can't merely have a setting, that it must be contextualized in relation to our world.
I hate it in the same way that I hate how Battlestar Galactica ended in the present. It's like they took "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away" and then felt obliged to say "no, really, see?".
Thats your problem then more then isekai.
And sure, isekai, lots of it is same tropes over and over again. I agree with you there. But that doesn't mean it has no right to exist if people like it and want it.
It just has to not be the only thing around. And it isn't just by your own post.
Look, isekai is just a trend just like how moe was a trend and it seemed like everything was moe but eventually anime and manga moved on.
I'm not disagreeing on that. I'm just saying that's pretty normal for the industry.
I was there in the 00s when every god damned thing was trying to be the next slice of life hit, where the escapism was the mangaka wanted his harem of cute girls that all loved his generic protag.
Many of which had interesting ideas somewhere, but attached the cliche parts anyway. One of those interesting ones was Oreimo, which became its own genre of "slice of life harem, but incest is the center."
I'm fine with isekai stories. They have purpose, they have a role in the "ecosystem" of storytelling.
But purpose is the keyword there. They need one. And not just tangentially. Like, to use the Quartet:
Overlord doesn't need to be an Isekai, or at least, a double-isekai. Re:Zero doesn't need to be an isekai. KonoSuba does need to be an isekai. Youjo Senki does need to be an isekai. You can have a tale of a misplaced lichlord without needing him to be a teenage gamer, he was isekai'd twice after all. You can have a hopeless, reviving, witch-"blessed" romantic without needing ten introductory seconds of "so I was at a convenience store". But Kazuma uses his Earthly knowledge to his advantage, and the fact others also isekai'd there shaped literally the entire setting from ancient history to present. And Tanya uses Earthly knowledge all the time, her application of modern morals in war is why she has the title "The Evil".
Digimon the isekai makes sense. There are NO humans there, their existence disrupts the world in notable ways. Inuyasha the isekai makes sense, both worlds play active roles in the plot. Hamefura: The entire plot is made by the MC trying to actively derail that very plot.
On the other extremes... Interspecies Reviewers is technically an isekai anime. But no named character is an isekai'd character, they just exist in the background lore. The sole reason it's an isekai, is to mock our world. Not really needed, but it is a comedy series so leniency. And the other opposite extreme, some people call Goblin Slayer an isekai anime. It has the walled town with the adventuring guild and the river going two-thirds past center through it. Characters have random OP powers, and arbitrary guild ranks, and the MC is powerful because he does SCIENCE! ...Not an isekai. Didn't need to be. Fits the mould PERFECTLY... And isn't. Wonderful. Amazing. Deserves more viewers just for that trait alone.
cries in coralian
Also, weird that you chose two mecha anime that people forgot that also happen to reference Maurice Maeterlinck (full disclosure, I have not actually watched RahXephon).
I dropped both of them because RahXephon felt so generic, and the MC of Eureka Seven (Renton Thurston, a name so over the top I never forgot it) was so unlikable I couldn't physically stand him.
And honestly they were the first that came to mind that weren't Gundam so that was coincidental, though interesting. Well those two and Vandread.
It's probably easier when your country is doing well.
Japan has been a stagnant downturn economy as long as I've been alive.
Mangaka making quips about not being able to get jobs was already cliche when Excel Saga hit print and that was 1996.
try competing instead of bitching