The big thing everyone's been saying has been "x is a priviledge not a right"
Flying, working, going to the grocery store, eating out, working out, all privileges, not rights. Except if you are gay and want a cake from a specific place, or if you want to belong to a private club, or you want to work for a specific company, or want to go to a college, those are all rights.
The fact that it's a constitutional right makes it even more important to validate votes. Just because they took a ballot off you doesn't mean you have had your right to vote satisfied. As long as the system continues to allow "one man, many votes" the people have been disenfranchised.
Even though some idiots can't tell that having their vote quietly negated after it goes in the box is exactly the same as being refused outright.
That is just a load of bullshit. Free association, free movement; all are rights. They do have the power to strip these rights from us though. That is how true power works. The only rights and freedoms you have are the ones you are prepared to defend with violence.
That's fascism for you. Rights are the state's. Any rights the citizens may enjoy are simply offloaded by the state. Individuals' freedom is to serve the state.
They do have government benefits like tax benefits, and exemptions of anti-trust laws, and the stadiums they play in are usually partially funded by government.
That's going to happen next year with the CBA process. At which point the MLBPA will call the owners a bunch of racists and get everything they want...
Meanwhile next year attendance and viewership will be down and people will wonder why...
I am glad I finally get to see one of these people who think that 'voter ID is racist' in the flesh.
Here in Europe, almost every country requires ID to vote. And not just that, you have to pay to get your ID. It's not free, as it is in Georgia.
Can you comment on that? I'm honestly fascinated by how you pick and choose the stuff that you like from Europe. Apparently, we've lived under 'Jim Crow on steroids' for all this while without noticing it it.
Not to mention that if it's important that the guy picking up sports tickets is the same guy who ordered them (even though you can print out a receipt or a special code), how much more important is it to make sure the integrity of a vote?
It's apples and oranges alright, but not to the benefit of our Democratic friends.
I don't know anything about voting in Europe. Georgia has 6 acceptable IDs, five of which are obtainable by driving, working for government, preparing to travel outside the country, joining the Armed Forces, or being recognized as an Indian.
That leaves out a lot of citizens, but the sixth is a free voter ID card which requires all of these:
A photo identity document or approved non-photo identity document that includes full legal name and date of birth
Documentation showing the voter's date of birth
Evidence that the applicant is a registered voter
Documentation showing the applicant's name and residential address
If that all seems perfectly normal to you then we do not agree that these new regulations are giving every tax-paying citizen an equal opportunity to exercise their franchise.
It's quite cheap to try to make an issue out of Georgia, while refusing to comment on Europe, which if anything has stricter rules, and where IDs are not free. If Georgia is Jim Crow on steroids, as the Democrats claim, then Europe must be Jim Crow on steroids squared, not?
Georgia has 6 acceptable IDs
We have 3 acceptable IDs. So even on that score, Georgia is doing better from your perspective.
If that all seems perfectly normal to you then we do not agree that these new regulations are giving every tax-paying citizen an equal opportunity to exercise their franchise.
It is normal in Europe. And how exactly do you want to ensure election integrity? Or are you against that?
As I said, I don't know anything about voting in Europe. Europe has laws like Georgia's? They are 98 pages long in your jurisdictions? You can, for instance, get arrested for giving water to someone standing in line to vote?
Have you read Georgia's 98 pages?
We have 3 acceptable IDs. So even on that score, Georgia is doing better from your perspective.
What are they?
Does Europe have areas like rural Georgia, where a birth certificate might be hard to come by? Can a person without one vote in Europe? They won't be able to in Georgia unless they've worked for one of those 5 sets of employers.
And how exactly do you want to ensure election integrity?
Election integrity is not my area of expertise. Is it yours? If it was mine my emphasis would be on making sure every citizen of age would have their vote counted. Hopefully that would not mean eliminating a lot of people I wasn't sure about because I had a poor system.
As I said, I don't know anything about voting in Europe.
Maybe you should figure out more about other countries before you start backing a campaign that brands near-universal voting standards as 'Jim Crow on stereoids'?
Or is this a 'Little America' thing where you are too arrogant to pay attention to anything outside your borders? "NO, IT'S JIM CROW, EVEN IF THE REST OF THE WORLD DOES IT!"
You can, for instance, get arrested for giving water to someone standing in line to vote?
Are you asking me, or telling me, and if the latter, why is there a question mark at the end?
Have you read Georgia's 98 pages?
Have you? You're the one purporting to make authoritative comments about the law.
What are they?
Passport, European ID, driver's license.
Does Europe have areas like rural Georgia, where a birth certificate might be hard to come by?
Rural areas are overwhelmingly white in the South. Yet your side has been claiming that the voter ID law is 'racist'.
Can a person without one vote in Europe?
Without an ID? Nope.
Election integrity is not my area of expertise. Is it yours?
It need not be my expertise to be able to point out that the Democrats are screaming about standards that are absolutely universal elsewhere. Even in places like Brazil, where I think administration is even worse than in America. It's absolutely absurd to know that voter ID is required here, but that there are race-baiters in America who claim that it is 'racist'.
If it was mine my emphasis would be on making sure every citizen of age would have their vote counted.
Even if that means that people can vote illegally? People voting illegally means that people will not get their vote counter, as their vote will be canceled out by people who have no right to vote.
Maybe you should figure out more about other countries before you start backing a campaign that brands near-universal voting standards as 'Jim Crow on stereoids'?
"Near universal voting standards" I'm beginning to suspect you know as much about voting in Georgia as I do about voting in Europe. In Georgia a person can now be arrested for giving water to someone who is standing in line to vote. Is that true in Europe? Question one.
For reference: "...nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector..."
Lines 1813 - 1815, "AN ACT To comprehensively revise elections and voting; ...", https://www.legis.ga.gov/api/legislation/document/20212022/201121
The State Election Board is now less independent from the legislature. Do election boards in Europe operate at arms length, or are they subject to control by the political party in power? Question two.
Or is this a 'Little America' thing where you are too arrogant to pay attention to anything outside your borders? "NO, IT'S JIM CROW, EVEN IF THE REST OF THE WORLD DOES IT!"
I don't live in the United States or any of it's protectorates. I probably don't know what 'Little America' means to you. You keep saying the rest of the world does what Georgia is doing. I'm asking you questions about that.
Passport, European ID, driver's license.
If, in Georgia now, you have never worked for one of the five government bodies mentioned earlier, and you do not have a birth certificate, you cannot vote. Is that the case in Europe? Question three.
...standards that are absolutely universal elsewhere.
You keep saying that. "I don't think it means what you think it means". I suspect there are a lot of places where you can hand out water to people lined up to vote.
Anyway, I didn't get yes or no answers to the questions in my last comment. I'd like to hear answers to questions one, two, and three this time please.
I'm beginning to suspect you know as much about voting in Georgia as I do about voting in Europe.
You did not answer whether you have even read the voting law in question.
For reference: "...nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector..."
I note that you cut out the part where it said that this applied 150 feet from the polling place. This is to prevent electioneering.
The State Election Board is now less independent from the legislature. Do election boards in Europe operate at arms length, or are they subject to control by the political party in power?
Controlled by the Ministry of the Interior generally. It's funny that you do not object to control by political local officials.
I don't live in the United States or any of it's protectorates
Then why are you regurgitating all the propaganda you read in the American media, and from their president?
You keep saying the rest of the world does what Georgia is doing. I'm asking you questions about that.
Yes, you can't answer any questions yourself, and are asking questions instead because you cannot defend your parroting claims by people who call the Georgia law 'Jim Crow on steroids', while admittedly having no clue at all about how voting takes place there or elsewhere.
If, in Georgia now, you have never worked for one of the five government bodies mentioned earlier, and you do not have a birth certificate, you cannot vote. Is that the case in Europe? Question three.
I know of no one without a birth certificate, and neither do you. You don't even live in America, let alone Georgia. It's yet more repetition of what you have heard. Congratulations, you are a parrot.
And how exactly is this 'Jim Crow on steroids'?
I suspect there are a lot of places where you can hand out water to people lined up to vote.
You suspect. I note that you did not any research. And how does your 'suspicion' square with calling this 'Jim Crow on steroids', eh?
Anyway, I didn't get yes or no answers to the questions in my last comment. I'd like to hear answers to questions one, two, and three this time please.
Anyway, you didn't even respond to the last question, let alone provide answers, so you're not going to make demands on anyone, Mr. Entitlement. Here is a question you refused to answer: Even if that means that people can vote illegally? People voting illegally means that people will not get their vote counter, as their vote will be canceled out by people who have no right to vote.
You failed to answer how it is that you think that it's more important to ensure that people picking up tickets are the same people who ordered them, than it is to ensure that people voting are the people who are entitled to vote.
I guess the American propaganda that you consume did not provide ready-made answers for these.
Both grow on trees, both have seeds on the inside, both can be made into juice, both are round, both are entirely edible. "Apples to oranges" comparisons are aplenty, and I don't know why this adage exist in the first place.
The big thing everyone's been saying has been "x is a priviledge not a right"
Flying, working, going to the grocery store, eating out, working out, all privileges, not rights. Except if you are gay and want a cake from a specific place, or if you want to belong to a private club, or you want to work for a specific company, or want to go to a college, those are all rights.
The left is always hypocritical and they pick and choose what is a right and what is a privilege based on the identity groups in question.
They are against voter id yet they are trying to push the authoritarian hell of vaccine passports on us all.
Fuck letting them decide which of my God given rights and freedoms is a privilege.
It's simpler than that: anything they want is a right. Anything you want is a privilege.
The fact that it's a constitutional right makes it even more important to validate votes. Just because they took a ballot off you doesn't mean you have had your right to vote satisfied. As long as the system continues to allow "one man, many votes" the people have been disenfranchised.
Even though some idiots can't tell that having their vote quietly negated after it goes in the box is exactly the same as being refused outright.
That is just a load of bullshit. Free association, free movement; all are rights. They do have the power to strip these rights from us though. That is how true power works. The only rights and freedoms you have are the ones you are prepared to defend with violence.
That's fascism for you. Rights are the state's. Any rights the citizens may enjoy are simply offloaded by the state. Individuals' freedom is to serve the state.
Only if you're female.
So they support being able to buy guns without showing ID? Didn't think so.
that is discrimination. they don't NEED to know who we are. they are entertainment and they are there to ENTERTAIN not be be our fucking judge.
They do have government benefits like tax benefits, and exemptions of anti-trust laws, and the stadiums they play in are usually partially funded by government.
The moment of truth is fast approaching. Players need to go on strike or submit.
That's going to happen next year with the CBA process. At which point the MLBPA will call the owners a bunch of racists and get everything they want...
Meanwhile next year attendance and viewership will be down and people will wonder why...
lmfao
This is beyond absurd. Baseball is my favorite sport. Never thought they would bend the knee
Well I'm boycotting that same state for stealing an election. ?
MLB wants to make sure the right person is picking up the tickets.
Georgia thinks a lot of the poor mail-in people who vote Democrat.don't have picture ID or can't easily copy it.
So: apples and oranges..
I am glad I finally get to see one of these people who think that 'voter ID is racist' in the flesh.
Here in Europe, almost every country requires ID to vote. And not just that, you have to pay to get your ID. It's not free, as it is in Georgia.
Can you comment on that? I'm honestly fascinated by how you pick and choose the stuff that you like from Europe. Apparently, we've lived under 'Jim Crow on steroids' for all this while without noticing it it.
Not to mention that if it's important that the guy picking up sports tickets is the same guy who ordered them (even though you can print out a receipt or a special code), how much more important is it to make sure the integrity of a vote?
It's apples and oranges alright, but not to the benefit of our Democratic friends.
https://sos.ga.gov/index.php/elections/georgia_voter_identification_requirements2
I don't know anything about voting in Europe. Georgia has 6 acceptable IDs, five of which are obtainable by driving, working for government, preparing to travel outside the country, joining the Armed Forces, or being recognized as an Indian.
That leaves out a lot of citizens, but the sixth is a free voter ID card which requires all of these:
If that all seems perfectly normal to you then we do not agree that these new regulations are giving every tax-paying citizen an equal opportunity to exercise their franchise.
It's quite cheap to try to make an issue out of Georgia, while refusing to comment on Europe, which if anything has stricter rules, and where IDs are not free. If Georgia is Jim Crow on steroids, as the Democrats claim, then Europe must be Jim Crow on steroids squared, not?
We have 3 acceptable IDs. So even on that score, Georgia is doing better from your perspective.
It is normal in Europe. And how exactly do you want to ensure election integrity? Or are you against that?
As I said, I don't know anything about voting in Europe. Europe has laws like Georgia's? They are 98 pages long in your jurisdictions? You can, for instance, get arrested for giving water to someone standing in line to vote?
Have you read Georgia's 98 pages?
What are they?
Does Europe have areas like rural Georgia, where a birth certificate might be hard to come by? Can a person without one vote in Europe? They won't be able to in Georgia unless they've worked for one of those 5 sets of employers.
Election integrity is not my area of expertise. Is it yours? If it was mine my emphasis would be on making sure every citizen of age would have their vote counted. Hopefully that would not mean eliminating a lot of people I wasn't sure about because I had a poor system.
Maybe you should figure out more about other countries before you start backing a campaign that brands near-universal voting standards as 'Jim Crow on stereoids'?
Or is this a 'Little America' thing where you are too arrogant to pay attention to anything outside your borders? "NO, IT'S JIM CROW, EVEN IF THE REST OF THE WORLD DOES IT!"
Are you asking me, or telling me, and if the latter, why is there a question mark at the end?
Have you? You're the one purporting to make authoritative comments about the law.
Passport, European ID, driver's license.
Rural areas are overwhelmingly white in the South. Yet your side has been claiming that the voter ID law is 'racist'.
Without an ID? Nope.
It need not be my expertise to be able to point out that the Democrats are screaming about standards that are absolutely universal elsewhere. Even in places like Brazil, where I think administration is even worse than in America. It's absolutely absurd to know that voter ID is required here, but that there are race-baiters in America who claim that it is 'racist'.
Even if that means that people can vote illegally? People voting illegally means that people will not get their vote counter, as their vote will be canceled out by people who have no right to vote.
"Near universal voting standards" I'm beginning to suspect you know as much about voting in Georgia as I do about voting in Europe. In Georgia a person can now be arrested for giving water to someone who is standing in line to vote. Is that true in Europe? Question one.
For reference: "...nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector..." Lines 1813 - 1815, "AN ACT To comprehensively revise elections and voting; ...", https://www.legis.ga.gov/api/legislation/document/20212022/201121
The State Election Board is now less independent from the legislature. Do election boards in Europe operate at arms length, or are they subject to control by the political party in power? Question two.
I don't live in the United States or any of it's protectorates. I probably don't know what 'Little America' means to you. You keep saying the rest of the world does what Georgia is doing. I'm asking you questions about that.
If, in Georgia now, you have never worked for one of the five government bodies mentioned earlier, and you do not have a birth certificate, you cannot vote. Is that the case in Europe? Question three.
You keep saying that. "I don't think it means what you think it means". I suspect there are a lot of places where you can hand out water to people lined up to vote.
Anyway, I didn't get yes or no answers to the questions in my last comment. I'd like to hear answers to questions one, two, and three this time please.
You did not answer whether you have even read the voting law in question.
I note that you cut out the part where it said that this applied 150 feet from the polling place. This is to prevent electioneering.
Controlled by the Ministry of the Interior generally. It's funny that you do not object to control by political local officials.
Then why are you regurgitating all the propaganda you read in the American media, and from their president?
Yes, you can't answer any questions yourself, and are asking questions instead because you cannot defend your parroting claims by people who call the Georgia law 'Jim Crow on steroids', while admittedly having no clue at all about how voting takes place there or elsewhere.
I know of no one without a birth certificate, and neither do you. You don't even live in America, let alone Georgia. It's yet more repetition of what you have heard. Congratulations, you are a parrot.
And how exactly is this 'Jim Crow on steroids'?
You suspect. I note that you did not any research. And how does your 'suspicion' square with calling this 'Jim Crow on steroids', eh?
Anyway, you didn't even respond to the last question, let alone provide answers, so you're not going to make demands on anyone, Mr. Entitlement. Here is a question you refused to answer: Even if that means that people can vote illegally? People voting illegally means that people will not get their vote counter, as their vote will be canceled out by people who have no right to vote.
You failed to answer how it is that you think that it's more important to ensure that people picking up tickets are the same people who ordered them, than it is to ensure that people voting are the people who are entitled to vote.
I guess the American propaganda that you consume did not provide ready-made answers for these.
are both fruits.
Both grow on trees, both have seeds on the inside, both can be made into juice, both are round, both are entirely edible. "Apples to oranges" comparisons are aplenty, and I don't know why this adage exist in the first place.
How does that apple pie recipe work out for you when you use oranges?
"I am not following your thinking at all"
That's OK.