As I said, I don't know anything about voting in Europe. Europe has laws like Georgia's? They are 98 pages long in your jurisdictions? You can, for instance, get arrested for giving water to someone standing in line to vote?
Have you read Georgia's 98 pages?
We have 3 acceptable IDs. So even on that score, Georgia is doing better from your perspective.
What are they?
Does Europe have areas like rural Georgia, where a birth certificate might be hard to come by? Can a person without one vote in Europe? They won't be able to in Georgia unless they've worked for one of those 5 sets of employers.
And how exactly do you want to ensure election integrity?
Election integrity is not my area of expertise. Is it yours? If it was mine my emphasis would be on making sure every citizen of age would have their vote counted. Hopefully that would not mean eliminating a lot of people I wasn't sure about because I had a poor system.
As I said, I don't know anything about voting in Europe.
Maybe you should figure out more about other countries before you start backing a campaign that brands near-universal voting standards as 'Jim Crow on stereoids'?
Or is this a 'Little America' thing where you are too arrogant to pay attention to anything outside your borders? "NO, IT'S JIM CROW, EVEN IF THE REST OF THE WORLD DOES IT!"
You can, for instance, get arrested for giving water to someone standing in line to vote?
Are you asking me, or telling me, and if the latter, why is there a question mark at the end?
Have you read Georgia's 98 pages?
Have you? You're the one purporting to make authoritative comments about the law.
What are they?
Passport, European ID, driver's license.
Does Europe have areas like rural Georgia, where a birth certificate might be hard to come by?
Rural areas are overwhelmingly white in the South. Yet your side has been claiming that the voter ID law is 'racist'.
Can a person without one vote in Europe?
Without an ID? Nope.
Election integrity is not my area of expertise. Is it yours?
It need not be my expertise to be able to point out that the Democrats are screaming about standards that are absolutely universal elsewhere. Even in places like Brazil, where I think administration is even worse than in America. It's absolutely absurd to know that voter ID is required here, but that there are race-baiters in America who claim that it is 'racist'.
If it was mine my emphasis would be on making sure every citizen of age would have their vote counted.
Even if that means that people can vote illegally? People voting illegally means that people will not get their vote counter, as their vote will be canceled out by people who have no right to vote.
Maybe you should figure out more about other countries before you start backing a campaign that brands near-universal voting standards as 'Jim Crow on stereoids'?
"Near universal voting standards" I'm beginning to suspect you know as much about voting in Georgia as I do about voting in Europe. In Georgia a person can now be arrested for giving water to someone who is standing in line to vote. Is that true in Europe? Question one.
For reference: "...nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector..."
Lines 1813 - 1815, "AN ACT To comprehensively revise elections and voting; ...", https://www.legis.ga.gov/api/legislation/document/20212022/201121
The State Election Board is now less independent from the legislature. Do election boards in Europe operate at arms length, or are they subject to control by the political party in power? Question two.
Or is this a 'Little America' thing where you are too arrogant to pay attention to anything outside your borders? "NO, IT'S JIM CROW, EVEN IF THE REST OF THE WORLD DOES IT!"
I don't live in the United States or any of it's protectorates. I probably don't know what 'Little America' means to you. You keep saying the rest of the world does what Georgia is doing. I'm asking you questions about that.
Passport, European ID, driver's license.
If, in Georgia now, you have never worked for one of the five government bodies mentioned earlier, and you do not have a birth certificate, you cannot vote. Is that the case in Europe? Question three.
...standards that are absolutely universal elsewhere.
You keep saying that. "I don't think it means what you think it means". I suspect there are a lot of places where you can hand out water to people lined up to vote.
Anyway, I didn't get yes or no answers to the questions in my last comment. I'd like to hear answers to questions one, two, and three this time please.
I'm beginning to suspect you know as much about voting in Georgia as I do about voting in Europe.
You did not answer whether you have even read the voting law in question.
For reference: "...nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector..."
I note that you cut out the part where it said that this applied 150 feet from the polling place. This is to prevent electioneering.
The State Election Board is now less independent from the legislature. Do election boards in Europe operate at arms length, or are they subject to control by the political party in power?
Controlled by the Ministry of the Interior generally. It's funny that you do not object to control by political local officials.
I don't live in the United States or any of it's protectorates
Then why are you regurgitating all the propaganda you read in the American media, and from their president?
You keep saying the rest of the world does what Georgia is doing. I'm asking you questions about that.
Yes, you can't answer any questions yourself, and are asking questions instead because you cannot defend your parroting claims by people who call the Georgia law 'Jim Crow on steroids', while admittedly having no clue at all about how voting takes place there or elsewhere.
If, in Georgia now, you have never worked for one of the five government bodies mentioned earlier, and you do not have a birth certificate, you cannot vote. Is that the case in Europe? Question three.
I know of no one without a birth certificate, and neither do you. You don't even live in America, let alone Georgia. It's yet more repetition of what you have heard. Congratulations, you are a parrot.
And how exactly is this 'Jim Crow on steroids'?
I suspect there are a lot of places where you can hand out water to people lined up to vote.
You suspect. I note that you did not any research. And how does your 'suspicion' square with calling this 'Jim Crow on steroids', eh?
Anyway, I didn't get yes or no answers to the questions in my last comment. I'd like to hear answers to questions one, two, and three this time please.
Anyway, you didn't even respond to the last question, let alone provide answers, so you're not going to make demands on anyone, Mr. Entitlement. Here is a question you refused to answer: Even if that means that people can vote illegally? People voting illegally means that people will not get their vote counter, as their vote will be canceled out by people who have no right to vote.
You failed to answer how it is that you think that it's more important to ensure that people picking up tickets are the same people who ordered them, than it is to ensure that people voting are the people who are entitled to vote.
I guess the American propaganda that you consume did not provide ready-made answers for these.
You did not answer whether you have even read the voting law in question.
Well, I asked you that question first, and you didn't answer it either. So I guess we're even there.
[ referring to the Georgia bill] I note that you cut out the part where it said that this applied 150 feet from the polling place. This is to prevent electioneering.
Speaking of unanswered questions I repeat: can you be arrested in Europe for giving water to someone standing in line to vote?
It's funny that you do not object to control by political local officials.
That is funny. I thought that was exactly what I was objecting to. Maybe we have a language problem.
Then why are you regurgitating all the propaganda you read in the American media, and from their president?
"Regurgitating" - interesting choice of words. Do you use it for yourself when you repeat an argument you agree with?
Yes, you can't answer any questions yourself, and are asking questions instead because you cannot defend your parroting claims by people who call the Georgia law 'Jim Crow on steroids', while admittedly having no clue at all about how voting takes place there or elsewhere.
Hmm. The regurgitating argument again. I won't repeat myself. And I've quoted part of the the Georgia bill to you, which is more than you've done.
I know of no one without a birth certificate, and neither do you.
Because you know of no one there is no one. Well that makes it simple.
You don't even live in America, let alone Georgia. It's yet more repetition of what you have heard. Congratulations, you are a parrot.
Right. Regurgitation again.
And how exactly is this 'Jim Crow on steroids'?
I don't recall ever saying that. You're the one that keeps saying it.
I suspect there are a lot of places where you can hand out water to people lined up to vote.
You suspect. I note that you did not any research.
Now you're being silly. Never mind anywhere else, Georgia stands alone in charging someone who gives water to people standing in line to vote. Perhaps you'd care to point out another democracy where this happens. I suppose you will deflect to "electioneering", but try not to please, because Georgia specifies giving water. Show me another jurisdiction that specifies that.
And how does your 'suspicion' square with calling this 'Jim Crow on steroids', eh?
I repeat: You keep saying that, not me.
Even if that means that people can vote illegally? People voting illegally means that people will not get their vote counter, as their vote will be canceled out by people who have no right to vote.
Georgia is willing to deny the franchise to legitimate voters. In my opinion that's worse.
You failed to answer how it is that you think that it's more important to ensure that people picking up tickets are the same people who ordered them, than it is to ensure that people voting are the people who are entitled to vote.
Actually, voting is more important than baseball, so restricting the rights of legitimate participants is a serious matter and the practice should be objected to most strenuously.
As I said, I don't know anything about voting in Europe. Europe has laws like Georgia's? They are 98 pages long in your jurisdictions? You can, for instance, get arrested for giving water to someone standing in line to vote?
Have you read Georgia's 98 pages?
What are they?
Does Europe have areas like rural Georgia, where a birth certificate might be hard to come by? Can a person without one vote in Europe? They won't be able to in Georgia unless they've worked for one of those 5 sets of employers.
Election integrity is not my area of expertise. Is it yours? If it was mine my emphasis would be on making sure every citizen of age would have their vote counted. Hopefully that would not mean eliminating a lot of people I wasn't sure about because I had a poor system.
Maybe you should figure out more about other countries before you start backing a campaign that brands near-universal voting standards as 'Jim Crow on stereoids'?
Or is this a 'Little America' thing where you are too arrogant to pay attention to anything outside your borders? "NO, IT'S JIM CROW, EVEN IF THE REST OF THE WORLD DOES IT!"
Are you asking me, or telling me, and if the latter, why is there a question mark at the end?
Have you? You're the one purporting to make authoritative comments about the law.
Passport, European ID, driver's license.
Rural areas are overwhelmingly white in the South. Yet your side has been claiming that the voter ID law is 'racist'.
Without an ID? Nope.
It need not be my expertise to be able to point out that the Democrats are screaming about standards that are absolutely universal elsewhere. Even in places like Brazil, where I think administration is even worse than in America. It's absolutely absurd to know that voter ID is required here, but that there are race-baiters in America who claim that it is 'racist'.
Even if that means that people can vote illegally? People voting illegally means that people will not get their vote counter, as their vote will be canceled out by people who have no right to vote.
"Near universal voting standards" I'm beginning to suspect you know as much about voting in Georgia as I do about voting in Europe. In Georgia a person can now be arrested for giving water to someone who is standing in line to vote. Is that true in Europe? Question one.
For reference: "...nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector..." Lines 1813 - 1815, "AN ACT To comprehensively revise elections and voting; ...", https://www.legis.ga.gov/api/legislation/document/20212022/201121
The State Election Board is now less independent from the legislature. Do election boards in Europe operate at arms length, or are they subject to control by the political party in power? Question two.
I don't live in the United States or any of it's protectorates. I probably don't know what 'Little America' means to you. You keep saying the rest of the world does what Georgia is doing. I'm asking you questions about that.
If, in Georgia now, you have never worked for one of the five government bodies mentioned earlier, and you do not have a birth certificate, you cannot vote. Is that the case in Europe? Question three.
You keep saying that. "I don't think it means what you think it means". I suspect there are a lot of places where you can hand out water to people lined up to vote.
Anyway, I didn't get yes or no answers to the questions in my last comment. I'd like to hear answers to questions one, two, and three this time please.
You did not answer whether you have even read the voting law in question.
I note that you cut out the part where it said that this applied 150 feet from the polling place. This is to prevent electioneering.
Controlled by the Ministry of the Interior generally. It's funny that you do not object to control by political local officials.
Then why are you regurgitating all the propaganda you read in the American media, and from their president?
Yes, you can't answer any questions yourself, and are asking questions instead because you cannot defend your parroting claims by people who call the Georgia law 'Jim Crow on steroids', while admittedly having no clue at all about how voting takes place there or elsewhere.
I know of no one without a birth certificate, and neither do you. You don't even live in America, let alone Georgia. It's yet more repetition of what you have heard. Congratulations, you are a parrot.
And how exactly is this 'Jim Crow on steroids'?
You suspect. I note that you did not any research. And how does your 'suspicion' square with calling this 'Jim Crow on steroids', eh?
Anyway, you didn't even respond to the last question, let alone provide answers, so you're not going to make demands on anyone, Mr. Entitlement. Here is a question you refused to answer: Even if that means that people can vote illegally? People voting illegally means that people will not get their vote counter, as their vote will be canceled out by people who have no right to vote.
You failed to answer how it is that you think that it's more important to ensure that people picking up tickets are the same people who ordered them, than it is to ensure that people voting are the people who are entitled to vote.
I guess the American propaganda that you consume did not provide ready-made answers for these.
Well, I asked you that question first, and you didn't answer it either. So I guess we're even there.
Speaking of unanswered questions I repeat: can you be arrested in Europe for giving water to someone standing in line to vote?
That is funny. I thought that was exactly what I was objecting to. Maybe we have a language problem.
"Regurgitating" - interesting choice of words. Do you use it for yourself when you repeat an argument you agree with?
Hmm. The regurgitating argument again. I won't repeat myself. And I've quoted part of the the Georgia bill to you, which is more than you've done.
Because you know of no one there is no one. Well that makes it simple.
Right. Regurgitation again.
I don't recall ever saying that. You're the one that keeps saying it.
Now you're being silly. Never mind anywhere else, Georgia stands alone in charging someone who gives water to people standing in line to vote. Perhaps you'd care to point out another democracy where this happens. I suppose you will deflect to "electioneering", but try not to please, because Georgia specifies giving water. Show me another jurisdiction that specifies that.
I repeat: You keep saying that, not me.
Georgia is willing to deny the franchise to legitimate voters. In my opinion that's worse.
Actually, voting is more important than baseball, so restricting the rights of legitimate participants is a serious matter and the practice should be objected to most strenuously.
Over to you. This is fun :-)