As I said, I don't know anything about voting in Europe.
Maybe you should figure out more about other countries before you start backing a campaign that brands near-universal voting standards as 'Jim Crow on stereoids'?
Or is this a 'Little America' thing where you are too arrogant to pay attention to anything outside your borders? "NO, IT'S JIM CROW, EVEN IF THE REST OF THE WORLD DOES IT!"
You can, for instance, get arrested for giving water to someone standing in line to vote?
Are you asking me, or telling me, and if the latter, why is there a question mark at the end?
Have you read Georgia's 98 pages?
Have you? You're the one purporting to make authoritative comments about the law.
What are they?
Passport, European ID, driver's license.
Does Europe have areas like rural Georgia, where a birth certificate might be hard to come by?
Rural areas are overwhelmingly white in the South. Yet your side has been claiming that the voter ID law is 'racist'.
Can a person without one vote in Europe?
Without an ID? Nope.
Election integrity is not my area of expertise. Is it yours?
It need not be my expertise to be able to point out that the Democrats are screaming about standards that are absolutely universal elsewhere. Even in places like Brazil, where I think administration is even worse than in America. It's absolutely absurd to know that voter ID is required here, but that there are race-baiters in America who claim that it is 'racist'.
If it was mine my emphasis would be on making sure every citizen of age would have their vote counted.
Even if that means that people can vote illegally? People voting illegally means that people will not get their vote counter, as their vote will be canceled out by people who have no right to vote.
Maybe you should figure out more about other countries before you start backing a campaign that brands near-universal voting standards as 'Jim Crow on stereoids'?
"Near universal voting standards" I'm beginning to suspect you know as much about voting in Georgia as I do about voting in Europe. In Georgia a person can now be arrested for giving water to someone who is standing in line to vote. Is that true in Europe? Question one.
For reference: "...nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector..."
Lines 1813 - 1815, "AN ACT To comprehensively revise elections and voting; ...", https://www.legis.ga.gov/api/legislation/document/20212022/201121
The State Election Board is now less independent from the legislature. Do election boards in Europe operate at arms length, or are they subject to control by the political party in power? Question two.
Or is this a 'Little America' thing where you are too arrogant to pay attention to anything outside your borders? "NO, IT'S JIM CROW, EVEN IF THE REST OF THE WORLD DOES IT!"
I don't live in the United States or any of it's protectorates. I probably don't know what 'Little America' means to you. You keep saying the rest of the world does what Georgia is doing. I'm asking you questions about that.
Passport, European ID, driver's license.
If, in Georgia now, you have never worked for one of the five government bodies mentioned earlier, and you do not have a birth certificate, you cannot vote. Is that the case in Europe? Question three.
...standards that are absolutely universal elsewhere.
You keep saying that. "I don't think it means what you think it means". I suspect there are a lot of places where you can hand out water to people lined up to vote.
Anyway, I didn't get yes or no answers to the questions in my last comment. I'd like to hear answers to questions one, two, and three this time please.
I'm beginning to suspect you know as much about voting in Georgia as I do about voting in Europe.
You did not answer whether you have even read the voting law in question.
For reference: "...nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector..."
I note that you cut out the part where it said that this applied 150 feet from the polling place. This is to prevent electioneering.
The State Election Board is now less independent from the legislature. Do election boards in Europe operate at arms length, or are they subject to control by the political party in power?
Controlled by the Ministry of the Interior generally. It's funny that you do not object to control by political local officials.
I don't live in the United States or any of it's protectorates
Then why are you regurgitating all the propaganda you read in the American media, and from their president?
You keep saying the rest of the world does what Georgia is doing. I'm asking you questions about that.
Yes, you can't answer any questions yourself, and are asking questions instead because you cannot defend your parroting claims by people who call the Georgia law 'Jim Crow on steroids', while admittedly having no clue at all about how voting takes place there or elsewhere.
If, in Georgia now, you have never worked for one of the five government bodies mentioned earlier, and you do not have a birth certificate, you cannot vote. Is that the case in Europe? Question three.
I know of no one without a birth certificate, and neither do you. You don't even live in America, let alone Georgia. It's yet more repetition of what you have heard. Congratulations, you are a parrot.
And how exactly is this 'Jim Crow on steroids'?
I suspect there are a lot of places where you can hand out water to people lined up to vote.
You suspect. I note that you did not any research. And how does your 'suspicion' square with calling this 'Jim Crow on steroids', eh?
Anyway, I didn't get yes or no answers to the questions in my last comment. I'd like to hear answers to questions one, two, and three this time please.
Anyway, you didn't even respond to the last question, let alone provide answers, so you're not going to make demands on anyone, Mr. Entitlement. Here is a question you refused to answer: Even if that means that people can vote illegally? People voting illegally means that people will not get their vote counter, as their vote will be canceled out by people who have no right to vote.
You failed to answer how it is that you think that it's more important to ensure that people picking up tickets are the same people who ordered them, than it is to ensure that people voting are the people who are entitled to vote.
I guess the American propaganda that you consume did not provide ready-made answers for these.
You did not answer whether you have even read the voting law in question.
Well, I asked you that question first, and you didn't answer it either. So I guess we're even there.
[ referring to the Georgia bill] I note that you cut out the part where it said that this applied 150 feet from the polling place. This is to prevent electioneering.
Speaking of unanswered questions I repeat: can you be arrested in Europe for giving water to someone standing in line to vote?
It's funny that you do not object to control by political local officials.
That is funny. I thought that was exactly what I was objecting to. Maybe we have a language problem.
Then why are you regurgitating all the propaganda you read in the American media, and from their president?
"Regurgitating" - interesting choice of words. Do you use it for yourself when you repeat an argument you agree with?
Yes, you can't answer any questions yourself, and are asking questions instead because you cannot defend your parroting claims by people who call the Georgia law 'Jim Crow on steroids', while admittedly having no clue at all about how voting takes place there or elsewhere.
Hmm. The regurgitating argument again. I won't repeat myself. And I've quoted part of the the Georgia bill to you, which is more than you've done.
I know of no one without a birth certificate, and neither do you.
Because you know of no one there is no one. Well that makes it simple.
You don't even live in America, let alone Georgia. It's yet more repetition of what you have heard. Congratulations, you are a parrot.
Right. Regurgitation again.
And how exactly is this 'Jim Crow on steroids'?
I don't recall ever saying that. You're the one that keeps saying it.
I suspect there are a lot of places where you can hand out water to people lined up to vote.
You suspect. I note that you did not any research.
Now you're being silly. Never mind anywhere else, Georgia stands alone in charging someone who gives water to people standing in line to vote. Perhaps you'd care to point out another democracy where this happens. I suppose you will deflect to "electioneering", but try not to please, because Georgia specifies giving water. Show me another jurisdiction that specifies that.
And how does your 'suspicion' square with calling this 'Jim Crow on steroids', eh?
I repeat: You keep saying that, not me.
Even if that means that people can vote illegally? People voting illegally means that people will not get their vote counter, as their vote will be canceled out by people who have no right to vote.
Georgia is willing to deny the franchise to legitimate voters. In my opinion that's worse.
You failed to answer how it is that you think that it's more important to ensure that people picking up tickets are the same people who ordered them, than it is to ensure that people voting are the people who are entitled to vote.
Actually, voting is more important than baseball, so restricting the rights of legitimate participants is a serious matter and the practice should be objected to most strenuously.
Well, I asked you that question first, and you didn't answer it either. So I guess we're even there.
You're making claims about it without even having read it, namely screaming about the Voter ID requirement, when this is universal.
Not only did you have no idea at all about the law, you had no idea about what kind of requirements are common or universal. You just parrotted what you had heard, because apparently, you think that having an opinion that you copied from others makes you smart.
Speaking of unanswered questions I repeat: can you be arrested in Europe for giving water to someone standing in line to vote?
Repeating the lie, when this is not the case. So you were either lying, or you're just repeating what you hear. Which is it? I assume the latter.
That is funny. I thought that was exactly what I was objecting to. Maybe we have a language problem.
Prior to this law, control was with local officials. Now it's more centralized. Either way, control is in the hands of political officers.
It appears that once again, you had absolutely no idea what propaganda you were repeating. Quite typical. Often wrong, but never in doubt. But one would not expect a parrot to be right.
"Regurgitating" - interesting choice of words. Do you use it for yourself when you repeat an argument you agree with?
I think for myself, which I can unfortunately not say for you.
You started out whining about Voter ID, but when you discovered that this was universal in Europe, started deflecting to... the great crime of preventing electioneering near polling places. You definitely don't think for yourself.
And I've quoted part of the the Georgia bill to you, which is more than you've done.
Yes, leaving out relevant parts in order to deceive. For example, you left out that this only applied withint 150 feet of the polling place. So either you're ignorant, or you're a liar. In either case, it does not speak well for you.
Because you know of no one there is no one. Well that makes it simple.
No, and pay careful attention, I said that I don't know anyone, and neither do you. I did not draw the conclusion that there are none in Europe.
Though this is just your attempt to grasp at straws.
Right. Regurgitation again.
What is it then?
I don't recall ever saying that. You're the one that keeps saying it.
It's the claim of the people whose propaganda you keep parroting. I note that you didn't even reject this claim, you merely stated that you have not made it yourself. So you reject that claim, or not?
Now you're being silly
The silliness is all yours, that you started out screaming about Voter ID, and then started deflecting to "giving water", because you didn't even know that Voter ID requirements are universal.
Georgia is willing to deny the franchise to legitimate voters. In my opinion that's worse.
Actually, you're denying the franchise to legitimate voters, whose votes are canceled out by your opposition to election security, so candidates that you can like will win.
Actually, voting is more important than baseball
Agreed, it is therefore more justified to ensure the security of voting as opposed to baseball.
Maybe you should figure out more about other countries before you start backing a campaign that brands near-universal voting standards as 'Jim Crow on stereoids'?
Or is this a 'Little America' thing where you are too arrogant to pay attention to anything outside your borders? "NO, IT'S JIM CROW, EVEN IF THE REST OF THE WORLD DOES IT!"
Are you asking me, or telling me, and if the latter, why is there a question mark at the end?
Have you? You're the one purporting to make authoritative comments about the law.
Passport, European ID, driver's license.
Rural areas are overwhelmingly white in the South. Yet your side has been claiming that the voter ID law is 'racist'.
Without an ID? Nope.
It need not be my expertise to be able to point out that the Democrats are screaming about standards that are absolutely universal elsewhere. Even in places like Brazil, where I think administration is even worse than in America. It's absolutely absurd to know that voter ID is required here, but that there are race-baiters in America who claim that it is 'racist'.
Even if that means that people can vote illegally? People voting illegally means that people will not get their vote counter, as their vote will be canceled out by people who have no right to vote.
"Near universal voting standards" I'm beginning to suspect you know as much about voting in Georgia as I do about voting in Europe. In Georgia a person can now be arrested for giving water to someone who is standing in line to vote. Is that true in Europe? Question one.
For reference: "...nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector..." Lines 1813 - 1815, "AN ACT To comprehensively revise elections and voting; ...", https://www.legis.ga.gov/api/legislation/document/20212022/201121
The State Election Board is now less independent from the legislature. Do election boards in Europe operate at arms length, or are they subject to control by the political party in power? Question two.
I don't live in the United States or any of it's protectorates. I probably don't know what 'Little America' means to you. You keep saying the rest of the world does what Georgia is doing. I'm asking you questions about that.
If, in Georgia now, you have never worked for one of the five government bodies mentioned earlier, and you do not have a birth certificate, you cannot vote. Is that the case in Europe? Question three.
You keep saying that. "I don't think it means what you think it means". I suspect there are a lot of places where you can hand out water to people lined up to vote.
Anyway, I didn't get yes or no answers to the questions in my last comment. I'd like to hear answers to questions one, two, and three this time please.
You did not answer whether you have even read the voting law in question.
I note that you cut out the part where it said that this applied 150 feet from the polling place. This is to prevent electioneering.
Controlled by the Ministry of the Interior generally. It's funny that you do not object to control by political local officials.
Then why are you regurgitating all the propaganda you read in the American media, and from their president?
Yes, you can't answer any questions yourself, and are asking questions instead because you cannot defend your parroting claims by people who call the Georgia law 'Jim Crow on steroids', while admittedly having no clue at all about how voting takes place there or elsewhere.
I know of no one without a birth certificate, and neither do you. You don't even live in America, let alone Georgia. It's yet more repetition of what you have heard. Congratulations, you are a parrot.
And how exactly is this 'Jim Crow on steroids'?
You suspect. I note that you did not any research. And how does your 'suspicion' square with calling this 'Jim Crow on steroids', eh?
Anyway, you didn't even respond to the last question, let alone provide answers, so you're not going to make demands on anyone, Mr. Entitlement. Here is a question you refused to answer: Even if that means that people can vote illegally? People voting illegally means that people will not get their vote counter, as their vote will be canceled out by people who have no right to vote.
You failed to answer how it is that you think that it's more important to ensure that people picking up tickets are the same people who ordered them, than it is to ensure that people voting are the people who are entitled to vote.
I guess the American propaganda that you consume did not provide ready-made answers for these.
Well, I asked you that question first, and you didn't answer it either. So I guess we're even there.
Speaking of unanswered questions I repeat: can you be arrested in Europe for giving water to someone standing in line to vote?
That is funny. I thought that was exactly what I was objecting to. Maybe we have a language problem.
"Regurgitating" - interesting choice of words. Do you use it for yourself when you repeat an argument you agree with?
Hmm. The regurgitating argument again. I won't repeat myself. And I've quoted part of the the Georgia bill to you, which is more than you've done.
Because you know of no one there is no one. Well that makes it simple.
Right. Regurgitation again.
I don't recall ever saying that. You're the one that keeps saying it.
Now you're being silly. Never mind anywhere else, Georgia stands alone in charging someone who gives water to people standing in line to vote. Perhaps you'd care to point out another democracy where this happens. I suppose you will deflect to "electioneering", but try not to please, because Georgia specifies giving water. Show me another jurisdiction that specifies that.
I repeat: You keep saying that, not me.
Georgia is willing to deny the franchise to legitimate voters. In my opinion that's worse.
Actually, voting is more important than baseball, so restricting the rights of legitimate participants is a serious matter and the practice should be objected to most strenuously.
Over to you. This is fun :-)
You're making claims about it without even having read it, namely screaming about the Voter ID requirement, when this is universal.
Not only did you have no idea at all about the law, you had no idea about what kind of requirements are common or universal. You just parrotted what you had heard, because apparently, you think that having an opinion that you copied from others makes you smart.
Repeating the lie, when this is not the case. So you were either lying, or you're just repeating what you hear. Which is it? I assume the latter.
Prior to this law, control was with local officials. Now it's more centralized. Either way, control is in the hands of political officers.
It appears that once again, you had absolutely no idea what propaganda you were repeating. Quite typical. Often wrong, but never in doubt. But one would not expect a parrot to be right.
I think for myself, which I can unfortunately not say for you.
You started out whining about Voter ID, but when you discovered that this was universal in Europe, started deflecting to... the great crime of preventing electioneering near polling places. You definitely don't think for yourself.
Yes, leaving out relevant parts in order to deceive. For example, you left out that this only applied withint 150 feet of the polling place. So either you're ignorant, or you're a liar. In either case, it does not speak well for you.
No, and pay careful attention, I said that I don't know anyone, and neither do you. I did not draw the conclusion that there are none in Europe.
Though this is just your attempt to grasp at straws.
What is it then?
It's the claim of the people whose propaganda you keep parroting. I note that you didn't even reject this claim, you merely stated that you have not made it yourself. So you reject that claim, or not?
The silliness is all yours, that you started out screaming about Voter ID, and then started deflecting to "giving water", because you didn't even know that Voter ID requirements are universal.
Actually, you're denying the franchise to legitimate voters, whose votes are canceled out by your opposition to election security, so candidates that you can like will win.
Agreed, it is therefore more justified to ensure the security of voting as opposed to baseball.