I don't know anything about voting in Europe. Georgia has 6 acceptable IDs, five of which are obtainable by driving, working for government, preparing to travel outside the country, joining the Armed Forces, or being recognized as an Indian.
That leaves out a lot of citizens, but the sixth is a free voter ID card which requires all of these:
A photo identity document or approved non-photo identity document that includes full legal name and date of birth
Documentation showing the voter's date of birth
Evidence that the applicant is a registered voter
Documentation showing the applicant's name and residential address
If that all seems perfectly normal to you then we do not agree that these new regulations are giving every tax-paying citizen an equal opportunity to exercise their franchise.
It's quite cheap to try to make an issue out of Georgia, while refusing to comment on Europe, which if anything has stricter rules, and where IDs are not free. If Georgia is Jim Crow on steroids, as the Democrats claim, then Europe must be Jim Crow on steroids squared, not?
Georgia has 6 acceptable IDs
We have 3 acceptable IDs. So even on that score, Georgia is doing better from your perspective.
If that all seems perfectly normal to you then we do not agree that these new regulations are giving every tax-paying citizen an equal opportunity to exercise their franchise.
It is normal in Europe. And how exactly do you want to ensure election integrity? Or are you against that?
As I said, I don't know anything about voting in Europe. Europe has laws like Georgia's? They are 98 pages long in your jurisdictions? You can, for instance, get arrested for giving water to someone standing in line to vote?
Have you read Georgia's 98 pages?
We have 3 acceptable IDs. So even on that score, Georgia is doing better from your perspective.
What are they?
Does Europe have areas like rural Georgia, where a birth certificate might be hard to come by? Can a person without one vote in Europe? They won't be able to in Georgia unless they've worked for one of those 5 sets of employers.
And how exactly do you want to ensure election integrity?
Election integrity is not my area of expertise. Is it yours? If it was mine my emphasis would be on making sure every citizen of age would have their vote counted. Hopefully that would not mean eliminating a lot of people I wasn't sure about because I had a poor system.
As I said, I don't know anything about voting in Europe.
Maybe you should figure out more about other countries before you start backing a campaign that brands near-universal voting standards as 'Jim Crow on stereoids'?
Or is this a 'Little America' thing where you are too arrogant to pay attention to anything outside your borders? "NO, IT'S JIM CROW, EVEN IF THE REST OF THE WORLD DOES IT!"
You can, for instance, get arrested for giving water to someone standing in line to vote?
Are you asking me, or telling me, and if the latter, why is there a question mark at the end?
Have you read Georgia's 98 pages?
Have you? You're the one purporting to make authoritative comments about the law.
What are they?
Passport, European ID, driver's license.
Does Europe have areas like rural Georgia, where a birth certificate might be hard to come by?
Rural areas are overwhelmingly white in the South. Yet your side has been claiming that the voter ID law is 'racist'.
Can a person without one vote in Europe?
Without an ID? Nope.
Election integrity is not my area of expertise. Is it yours?
It need not be my expertise to be able to point out that the Democrats are screaming about standards that are absolutely universal elsewhere. Even in places like Brazil, where I think administration is even worse than in America. It's absolutely absurd to know that voter ID is required here, but that there are race-baiters in America who claim that it is 'racist'.
If it was mine my emphasis would be on making sure every citizen of age would have their vote counted.
Even if that means that people can vote illegally? People voting illegally means that people will not get their vote counter, as their vote will be canceled out by people who have no right to vote.
Maybe you should figure out more about other countries before you start backing a campaign that brands near-universal voting standards as 'Jim Crow on stereoids'?
"Near universal voting standards" I'm beginning to suspect you know as much about voting in Georgia as I do about voting in Europe. In Georgia a person can now be arrested for giving water to someone who is standing in line to vote. Is that true in Europe? Question one.
For reference: "...nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector..."
Lines 1813 - 1815, "AN ACT To comprehensively revise elections and voting; ...", https://www.legis.ga.gov/api/legislation/document/20212022/201121
The State Election Board is now less independent from the legislature. Do election boards in Europe operate at arms length, or are they subject to control by the political party in power? Question two.
Or is this a 'Little America' thing where you are too arrogant to pay attention to anything outside your borders? "NO, IT'S JIM CROW, EVEN IF THE REST OF THE WORLD DOES IT!"
I don't live in the United States or any of it's protectorates. I probably don't know what 'Little America' means to you. You keep saying the rest of the world does what Georgia is doing. I'm asking you questions about that.
Passport, European ID, driver's license.
If, in Georgia now, you have never worked for one of the five government bodies mentioned earlier, and you do not have a birth certificate, you cannot vote. Is that the case in Europe? Question three.
...standards that are absolutely universal elsewhere.
You keep saying that. "I don't think it means what you think it means". I suspect there are a lot of places where you can hand out water to people lined up to vote.
Anyway, I didn't get yes or no answers to the questions in my last comment. I'd like to hear answers to questions one, two, and three this time please.
https://sos.ga.gov/index.php/elections/georgia_voter_identification_requirements2
I don't know anything about voting in Europe. Georgia has 6 acceptable IDs, five of which are obtainable by driving, working for government, preparing to travel outside the country, joining the Armed Forces, or being recognized as an Indian.
That leaves out a lot of citizens, but the sixth is a free voter ID card which requires all of these:
If that all seems perfectly normal to you then we do not agree that these new regulations are giving every tax-paying citizen an equal opportunity to exercise their franchise.
It's quite cheap to try to make an issue out of Georgia, while refusing to comment on Europe, which if anything has stricter rules, and where IDs are not free. If Georgia is Jim Crow on steroids, as the Democrats claim, then Europe must be Jim Crow on steroids squared, not?
We have 3 acceptable IDs. So even on that score, Georgia is doing better from your perspective.
It is normal in Europe. And how exactly do you want to ensure election integrity? Or are you against that?
As I said, I don't know anything about voting in Europe. Europe has laws like Georgia's? They are 98 pages long in your jurisdictions? You can, for instance, get arrested for giving water to someone standing in line to vote?
Have you read Georgia's 98 pages?
What are they?
Does Europe have areas like rural Georgia, where a birth certificate might be hard to come by? Can a person without one vote in Europe? They won't be able to in Georgia unless they've worked for one of those 5 sets of employers.
Election integrity is not my area of expertise. Is it yours? If it was mine my emphasis would be on making sure every citizen of age would have their vote counted. Hopefully that would not mean eliminating a lot of people I wasn't sure about because I had a poor system.
Maybe you should figure out more about other countries before you start backing a campaign that brands near-universal voting standards as 'Jim Crow on stereoids'?
Or is this a 'Little America' thing where you are too arrogant to pay attention to anything outside your borders? "NO, IT'S JIM CROW, EVEN IF THE REST OF THE WORLD DOES IT!"
Are you asking me, or telling me, and if the latter, why is there a question mark at the end?
Have you? You're the one purporting to make authoritative comments about the law.
Passport, European ID, driver's license.
Rural areas are overwhelmingly white in the South. Yet your side has been claiming that the voter ID law is 'racist'.
Without an ID? Nope.
It need not be my expertise to be able to point out that the Democrats are screaming about standards that are absolutely universal elsewhere. Even in places like Brazil, where I think administration is even worse than in America. It's absolutely absurd to know that voter ID is required here, but that there are race-baiters in America who claim that it is 'racist'.
Even if that means that people can vote illegally? People voting illegally means that people will not get their vote counter, as their vote will be canceled out by people who have no right to vote.
"Near universal voting standards" I'm beginning to suspect you know as much about voting in Georgia as I do about voting in Europe. In Georgia a person can now be arrested for giving water to someone who is standing in line to vote. Is that true in Europe? Question one.
For reference: "...nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector..." Lines 1813 - 1815, "AN ACT To comprehensively revise elections and voting; ...", https://www.legis.ga.gov/api/legislation/document/20212022/201121
The State Election Board is now less independent from the legislature. Do election boards in Europe operate at arms length, or are they subject to control by the political party in power? Question two.
I don't live in the United States or any of it's protectorates. I probably don't know what 'Little America' means to you. You keep saying the rest of the world does what Georgia is doing. I'm asking you questions about that.
If, in Georgia now, you have never worked for one of the five government bodies mentioned earlier, and you do not have a birth certificate, you cannot vote. Is that the case in Europe? Question three.
You keep saying that. "I don't think it means what you think it means". I suspect there are a lot of places where you can hand out water to people lined up to vote.
Anyway, I didn't get yes or no answers to the questions in my last comment. I'd like to hear answers to questions one, two, and three this time please.