Getting sick is embarrassing? Holy fuck, no one can match your sigma energy.

What an absolute fucking clown you are. God will humble you. I'll just have to pray that I don't enjoy it

His Jewish master must be so proud. Perhaps he'll give him a pay raise of an entire nickel this year

There's a pretty big disconnect between "Hollywood" Jews and Israeli Jews. In fact, I can't think of a single Hollywood Jew that doesn't hate Israel

All I can say is that I have a traditional marriage and it's been great for just shy of 15 years. All of my traditional catholic friends have been married a long while and have great families. The divorce rate among traditional Catholics is 2 percent, compared to the divorce rates of everyone else. Meanwhile, most of my non catholic friends have marriages similar to what you're describing. Either they suffer from infidelity or they have a bitchy wife who dominates them.

I'm not saying it's easy, I'm just saying it's possible if you do it right. The cards are absolutely stacked against men right now and I definitely see where proponents of MGTOW are coming from. I really want to make that clear. But it is ultimately misguided. I assure you that if you follow Christ and live accordingly, you find true joy and you will win in the end regardless of what the world throws at you. And if you yearn to marry a good woman and have children, I'm confident that God will give you what you desire. If it's not in the exact way you hope for, it will be in an even better way.

I think we should get away from any thought that deviates that far from nature. Perhaps if we were more selective with our mates and raised our children properly, our future generations would be able to enjoy a traditional life where men provide, women nurture, and children obey.

I have to ask: if men use artificial wombs to grow children, who is going to care for the child while they work? A nanny that's just as deviant as the women the man uses for sexual gratification? Or perhaps they will find a virtuous woman who will help raise the child properly. But if such a woman is found, why not marry and reproduce with her?

Surrogacy is awful man. Obviously reproducing with a terrible woman is also awful, but we shouldn't rely upon indentured servants to have kids.

Nature dictates that a man and a woman are both required to produce a child, so it stands to reason that a child needs both to be raised properly. It's on you (and separately the female) to be extremely selective with who you reproduce with. In the western world it is very difficult to find a worthy woman, but they do exist. But you aren't going to find one in a bar, in the city, or on a hookup site.

The other issue is that if you do find one, you need to be worthy of her too. Are you a virtuous man? Do you worship God? Are you honorable and chaste? Do you defend the weak and help those in need? Also, are you healthy and thus attractive? Are you capable of providing for a family so that she can stay at home and raise your child? If you get yourself right, you'll find a good woman.

The issue with MGTOW is that as bad as women are these days (and likely for all time), men are just as bad. Proponents of MGTOW are just as misguided as the women who push feminism. We should be fighting for a world that's better for both men and women, not one at the expense of the other.

For real lol

I'm frightened of this thing that you've become

I am also fine with that. Revoke citizenship to shitbags and boot em lol. And obviously never allow noncitizens in our country

But we do legislate morality, you absolute fucking retard. Murder is immoral, stealing is immoral, slavery is immoral, etc. They are currently illegal because humans agree they are immoral. We sometimes legalize objectively immoral things such as gay shit, trans shit, baby murder, drugs, etc. They're still immoral objectively, but large groups of people have decided they aren't immoral (subjectively of course).

Do you want to try to rephrase what you're saying? Humans can and do legislate morality. Its been done for years and is still being done, so it's a retarded statement. If what you're trying to say is that forcing people to be moral doesn't make them moral, that's a fair statement. But that's not what you said. And even then common sense and history shows that countries who relax their laws end up with even worse problems with lawlessness. Decriminalizing immorality causes problems to get worse.

Pro tip: If what you say isn't reflecting your ideas, that's a major failing on your part.

I mean, make bigger prisons and put them to work. If they want to be productive members of society, awesome. If not, free labor

Found the retard

Man you got owned

We absolutely can legislate morality. In fact, we already have. Murder is immoral and it is illegal. You can still kill someone, but you will be punished for it.

Very well written and very interesting perspective. You've certainly given me a lot to think about.

I don't think I can possibly provide you a response to everything you said, but I want you to know I read it and I'll certainly spend some time pondering it. I don't want you to think I'm ignoring anything or trying to side step it. You made several points that we could probably discuss for hours.

That said, one thing I would like to ask you is if you believe in free will. Your belief that God wants you to be exactly who you are without ever changing makes me believe you don't. I may have misinterpreted, so I'd appreciate your clarification.

I'd also ask how you know you are a good person, especially if I assumed correctly in you not believing in free will. If being the you that only you can be makes you a good person, how would you rate Mao, Stalin, or Hitler? Surely they were just being the people God intended them to be. Obviously, like Genghis Khan they aren't completely devoid of humanity, but telling me that they are good people is going to be a hard sell. At best, I can see where they were coming from, but nothing can excuse their actions.

At this point, you probably would make a better leader than what we have. The bar is exceptionally low. In the end I believe you would be just as bad, or possibly worse, because your mindset is exactly the same as theirs: power is supreme and the ends justify the means. One thing I'll concede, though, is that you'd probably be a lot more effective as I'd doubt you'd waste any time or effort in pretending to be anything you aren't for the sake of political correctness...and you are certainly more intelligent. And that I say to your credit.

Well if you havent read Blood Meridian you probably should. The antagonist of the book literally believes almost exactly what you do lol.

I am curious at this point...how do you live your life? Are you taking steps to be a warlord or do you just work a 9 to 5 and go home to an empty house? It's one thing to believe something, but I feel that it's a big tell if you aren't actually living as if what you believe is true. My suspicion is that you belive these things, but you aren't going around taking women by force, murdering your enemies, and enslaving children. The biggest give away is that you said you personally wouldn't do such things. Should that be the case I'd argue that you, existing in a moral universe, feel drawn to morality. Just as you are drawn to the earth when you jump. There's a little more freedom with morality as compared to gravity, but your existence still revolves around it regardless of how you feel about it.

I'm both horrified and fascinated by you. Your arguments are exactly the same ones I use against atheists who claim to believe in morality in a godless world. In fact, your worldview is precisely why I began studying religions (our backgrounds sound very similar, though i certainly disagree with your assessment of the Quran). Lest I sound like I'm judging you, I just want to be very clear that while I oppose you wholeheartedly, I have a lot of respect for your consistency and your willingness to discuss your ideas.

A final question...if you could live in a world where Christianity was true, would you want to? Obviously, our feelings don't determine truth, but I feel like this answer would better help my discussion with you.

I think all I really need to ask you is, what is the purpose of living in your world? Why would you even try to survive if you believe your mindset is right?

Let's put it another way. Let's say you win. You're the biggest, baddest dude with the most money, biggest harem, and largest army. You conquer the world and people actually look up to you. You're a better Genghis Khan that Genghis Khan. Then you die and go back to nothing. But wait, that's OK because people remember you. They even have statues of you and study you in history. But as a few years go by, your ideas fade. Eventually the only remnant of your existence is trace amounts of DNA. And then one day, the universe collapses upon itself and everything is gone and there's no one left to remember it. It's as if it never happened in the first place. So why did you even bother? I can understand living because you enjoy living in spite of its futility. But there's just no way you enjoy being alive.

Regarding Christianity and convincing you...that's not my job. And no one will ever convince you. That said, have you ever actually read the Bible (no, you haven't based on your flawed understanding of Christian self-defense)? Have you ever tried living as a Christian? If you have any desire to be convinced, try devoting your life to being a Christian for 4 weeks. Read the Bible, ponder it, pray for forgiveness and in thanksgiving, be charitable and help others. I bet you after giving it your all for 4 weeks, you wouldn't go back.

And just for the record, Cormac McCarthy never intended for Judge Holden to be emulated. Assuming you stole your beliefs from Blood Meridian, you should have really thought about what the author was trying to say.

I appreciate you taking the time to explain your views, but you have made the perfect case for why there is nothing more dangerous than an atheist or, apparently, a deist.

That you have no problems with stronger men treating women and children like cattle speaks of a mind so utterly devoid of humanity that I'm left wondering if a man can be born without a soul. You seriously need to address the trauma that left you utterly incapable of empathy. You need to spend some time around good women and children instead of writing them all off because you had some bad experiences.

I'm not trying to be rude, but you're legitimately sick in the head. Your logic is sound from your skewed perspective. But coming to the conclusions you have should have made you realize that the entire premise is wrong from the start. Good and evil do exist. Being able to justify child rape and enslavement is a serious, serious problem. One that you should probably lock yourself up for until you manage to realize how wrong you are.

I'll finish by saying that I do value your consistency and your logical ability. You're obviously an intelligent person. But as much as I've valued logic, I have learned that the heart is important too. I know for a fact you'd never have been able to think this way if you had a child of your own. You'd never be able to stomach the thought of a stronger man killing you and then taking your child as a sex slave. From there you'd eventually learn sympathy for others who have had that happened to them. And then, if you continued to mature emotionally, you'd discover that you could imagine the pain others went through and would want to spare them that pain if it was at all in your power.

I agree with you regarding frivolity. I just think that a lawyer is obligated to give his employer the best defense possible within the confines of the law.

If we punished lawyers for frivolous behavior, I don't think these lawyers would be doing this. I think it would be wrong to punish them for something that we currently tolerate. If your solution is to make it illegal, or at least punishable, I'm 100 percent for it

Out if curiosity, when is legitimate rape ever acceptable?

Also, do you believe raping children is objectively evil?

In all fairness, if I was a lawyer getting paid millions of dollars per year to defend corporate clients, I'd do the same thing. I would use every legal tool at my disposal to win.

Now, if any judge decides that a disney+ trial agreement invalidates any lawsuit against them, they would deserve to be removed from office. It's not wrong for the lawyer to try, but it's wrong if the judge allows it.

An example I'd offer is this: if the tax code sucks and Trump can pay 0 in taxes every year through legal means, he'd be an idiot not to take advantage of it. As long as what he's doing is legal, it's not his fault...it's the fault of whoever allowed the situation in the first place.

But it isn't a victory. You've already lost. Your resistance is futile and, from a universal perspective, completely insignificant and worthless.

*And let me act as an atheist who doesn't pretend morality exists: fuck your desires for the world. Survival and pleasure are the only things that matter and I will only live for my own pleasure, regardless of how many people it hurts. In fact, I may delight in hurting others and the only reason I don't do so openly is so that I am not interrupted from my desires by the stupid men and women that enforce laws in an injust world.

What is your argument against my persona? If good and evil don't exist, your "morality" is merely your opinion. Why would I care what you or anyone else thinks? I am the beginning and the end of my own personal universe, how could you possibly convince me I'm wrong?*

Ah OK, I see. That said, what is your definition of science pre-dating Christianity? Obviously technology was being created and people were attempting to apply logic to things they observed. However, the scientific method, which rapidly accelerated our progression, was created after Christianity by a Christian man.

Bear in mind, that prior to Christianity people really struggled to understand the universe around them because they ascribed unexpected behaviors to spirits and such things. People didn't even really try to understand what actually caused a fire or how lightning formed, or tornados, earthquakes, etc because they believed they lived in a universe of chaotic gods and spirits. As the idea of an all powerful God who created an ordered, and thus understandable, universe spread throughout the world, science advanced at a rate that likely* never would have occurred otherwise

"Those are deviations from Christianity."

"I'm not saying the American constitution is incongruent with Christianity,"

Well which is it? If you're thinking out loud, I understand, but your two statements are contradicting each other