They're just contrails, youre crazy!
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You're gonna shit yourself when you find out what clouds are made out of.
And cloud seeding isn't any more a secret than all the tunnels that run under your street.
You know what remains secrets for decades? Military experiments where they spray you like pests. To keep you safe, of course. Look up Operation LAC and Sea-Spray.
Yeah these are the biggest giveaways that "chemtrails" as in the OP's picture are stupid.
Aerosol dispersal is done at a low altitude, not 35,000 feet.
How about the biolab on Plum Island that make actually have originated tick-born Lyme disease?
That's for giving me an idea for a clickbait AI YouTube video series:
"You won't BELIEVE what's going on right under your nose!"
"Your neighborhood has a dark secret..."
"The hidden world beneath your feet"
They have no qualms about clouding-up your lungs with stuff other than water vapor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_LAC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea-Spray
Maybe 50 years from now, they'll admit that old governments were running global experiments in 2020s.
Government birds?
Do people not build cloud chambers in science class anymore? Do people not understand nucleation and supersaturation?
Probably not. I remember being pissed every goddamn year because my class was the first not to get to do cool shit. All our science classes took place in dedicated science classrooms with all sorts of equipment lying around, and not one single time did we touch any of it. Like an entire 2/3 of the room would be totally unused.
We had those gas nozzles in our science classrooms and in the 13 years I spent in school not once did I ever see them being used for anything.
Stop using your big fancy words to cover up that the government is... trying to literally kill everyone indiscriminately, including themselves since they live under the same sky?!
Are you saying these did not happen?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_LAC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea-Spray
Who says they're trying to kill everyone?
The most obvious use of cloud seeding would be to harvest atmospheric moisture as rain in a specific location, rather than another. If they wanted to just drop poison, we'd never see it.
Can you think of any reason that someone powerful would want to change where water ends up?
How come it never rains when they do this?
I mean, just yesterday I commented to a friend that the planes were out seeding clouds because none of the planes the previous day were leaving contrails.
It's currently raining.
Reminds me of a Jared Taylor quote:
Well...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Popeye
They give themselves the antidote. It is written.
You know better than that. Clouds are white. That's racist! We can spend science class talking about made up scientific discoveries of black scientists instead.
How many COVID shots did you take?
Yes. They do. Hence the planes...
And this is what well-poisoning looks like. Spike the page with actual nonsense and it makes people assume everything on the page is nonsense.
Plus, we no longer have the downvote button so well-poisoning is even more effective now.
It's there on scored.co
https://scored.co/c/KotakuInAction2/p/1ASt1LrMVM/theyre-just-contrails-youre-craz/c
Go downvote me if you'd like.
Your entitled to your opinion.
Lol, I used to think this was one of those FE, hollow earth type theories, but I fully believe it today.
I don't know if they can saturate the atmosphere with moisture, but this is obviously cloud seeding.
See I can totally buy that the government is cloud seeding. I mean in some cases it's done intentionally and publically. I have no problem coming to grips that they might be doing it for illicit purposes or as a conspiracy.
Where I run into it is I've seen these coming out of common passenger jets plenty of times. Am I to believe that somehow some sort of water vapor dispension system is attached to all sorts of general airplanes and no one from a maintenance crew or airplane design or anything has ever brought it to light with real evidence over all this time? I'd have to believe in Men in Black style flashy memory erasers or just like a mass KGB level disappearing people scheme that no one notices to make that believeable.
Who regulates airplane fuel? Do any of the technicians do chemical testing on it before they fuel up? How many people would it actually take to know it was happening, compared to the people "just doing their jobs" in the utter dark?
I'd have to think about the science of it a bit more to get into the feasibility of that. Maybe.
I still think it's giving the enemy too much credit. Why attribute to a grand conspiracy what they could do in the open?
They could fly around planes all over the place, intentionally modifying weather however they want, and at the most it could just be, "black communities don't get as much rain as whites so we are giving them rainy reparations." Military planes already fly all over all the damn time, and they would be able to control the when and where much more carefully.
Okay, I get you. They could also easily use commercial looking planes for military operations. I can't say I've ever been able to get a look at one of these cloud seeding planes, so I can't really say.
It's important to note there are different types of these trails; all jet engines will make little clouds if the conditions are right, but they don't expand across the whole sky like these ones do.
Aluminum oxide nanoparticle fuel additive. Minimizes the number of people who need to be aware of it.
At the concentrations needed for cloud seeding (let alone mass mental retardation), adding something as abrasive as aluminum oxide to fuel would destroy fuel pumps and engines before they even got off the ground. It's a polishing agent FFS, and generally insoluble in like... anything. You either buy it in powder or in a pasty suspension.
So if they are adding it, it's not in the fuel mix.
We're talking about aluminum, not lead.
Let's do some back-of-the-envelope calcs. We'll say 100 grams of seeding material per spread, a Boeing 737 holds about 20k liters of fuel. So 5 mg per liter.
Dispersing and then keeping the particles suspended would be more of the issue, but there's been a fair amount of research into using metal oxides as fuel additives for other reasons. You would need the right surfactant to make it work, but it's feasible.
Metal-oxide buildup in the engine would be another concern, but the polishing effect should be basically non-existent.
I don't know if the government (or some other org) is engaging in large-scale cloud seeding utilizing commercial airliners or not. But that is how I would try to accomplish it if I were wearing a black-hat, and it seems technically feasible.
I was using the term "mental retardation" in a more literal sense vis a vis a literal slowing of the mind, a dampening of the intellect. Which is the chemtrails conspiracy generally (mind control of sorts), and honestly what I (mistakenly) thought you were alluding to with the "people who need to be aware of it" remark. Cloud seeding is a more recent addition.
I have no idea where you got that number, but first, a quick Google on the silver iodide (preferred cloud seeding material) required on a typical seeding run is 25-100kg, or 25-1000x what your estimate is. Give that AgNO3 is 234g/mol and Al2O3 is ~102g/mol, you get the same number of Al2O3 particles at about 1/2 the mass expense, so 12.5-500x your estimate for the same effect. Either way, adding kilograms of effectively-pulverized-sand absolutely introduces the polishing effect.
Second, even if 100g per run in a 737 means 100g dispersed over some 3,000+ miles, so 33mg/mile at best, which comes to about 6 micrograms per linear foot. If that's cloud-seeding density, I should be kicking up thunderstorms every time I polish my tailpipe. No, that's not a euphemism.
You talk about surfactants... that's on the right track, but you were a little closer with the nanoparticle idea. If you conjugated the Al2O3 with a soluble chelating agent or packaged it in a more soluble nanoparticle, it could protect it and the engine parts through combustion. At which point, maybe the nanoparticle shell degrades in the high temps of the jet engine exhaust, exposing the Al2O3. It would be a pretty cool chemistry achievement honestly.
But you'd probably be better off working with some other cloud seeding agent.
If they added it to the fuel, it would leave "chemtrails" across the entire trip, not just specific areas. That seems counter-productive to controlling rain patterns or dousing civilians with chemicals.
They're produced by heating the cold air, causing the condensation to appear when the air immediately cools back down. They come off wingtips of fast aircraft when they turn or dive, and also when the sound barrier is broken too. They're abundant in WW2 pictures. Were those caused by "Aluminum Oxide nanoparticles too?
Just sayin. It's similar to steam from a boiling kettle.
Do you think fuel is not tested by anyone?
We just chuck it in planes and hope for the best?
Cloud seeding refers to water vapor, which is NOT what chemtrails are and not what should be under discussion.
I noticed this on my own over 30 years ago, just by staring out the classroom window all day and wondering why so many planes would fly in zig-zags. This conspiracy is much older than the flat earf psyop. And it's been proven over and over again to be true.
Still, this subject seems to be the most controversial of them all, no matter who I bring it up to. Like, I could talk about the fake holobunga to a liberal woman, bring up the holocoaster and the soap and the lampshades and the electrified floors; and she wouldn't have nearly the shocked reaction as if I were to say "those clouds are artificial".
Not trying to comment either way on the legitimacy of your claims, just genuinely curious. What do you think is the goal of it if it is indeed artificial?
The usual first question is "why would they do that?".
The official reasoning is weather modification.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding
But we don't know what exactly is being sprayed so we can only speculate reasons for it and what could be done with method and technology. But it is absolutely true that planes spray chemicals over our heads almost daily and there is nothing we can do about it.
Pure speculation, but with enough control over the water cycle you could, I don't know, create droughts to raise temperature far above historical levels in specific, populated regions in order to push the idea of anthromorphic climate change, then use the ensuing panic to get funds and political support to create further "100 year weather events", etc.
A mistake could poison an entire region. So could a "mistake". We all have vax spike proteins despite not taking the vax.
In many cases we do. The residue has been gathered where it fell, tested, and identified.
Water vapor is NOT the issue!
Further, where I live now, it stopped completely and very abruptly when HAARP ended. (It didn't actually end, it changed hands)
I tell people I am allergic to chemtrails. Still waiting to get my disability check....
Flat Earth took a whole lot of valid theories, and tarnished them by coopting, and attaching them to the words ," flat earth".
I haven't seen any FE theories that weren't just people not understanding math.
Could you elaborate?
They took Electeic Universe. They took so many. I can't recall off the top of my head. But, Electric Universe is a good example. The man is dead, he can't say his theory was about plasma physics IN SPACE. They use all his talking points as proof for flat earth. But, the EU's entire premise is that Earth started as a moon of Saturn, and when the universe had shit going on we moved to the spot we are now.
He theorizes that why rock art looks like plasma physics. Because that is what our ancestors saw when they looked up at the sky.
https://youtu.be/Gouqy4OghyY
I feel like the way they grabbed all the valid but alternative theories up proved they were a physop.
This is really interesting!
I always thought so too! I was pretty irritated when flat earthers got a hold of it.
I like Expanding Earth (EE) theory. RA Wilson liked it too (although it is impossible to tell if he was serious or joking, eh?) that's where I learned about it.
That matter is spontaneously created is a proven science. It is instantly destroyed by the anti-matter that is created alongside it though. But suppose at the bottom of a gravity well (the core of a planet for example) the matter remained & the anti-matter went somewhere else? That planet or sun would increase in mass! And volume too.
So over billions of years the Earth, sun and every large thing has been increasing in mass. The orbits would stay the same, probably, even as gravity increased. Growing from the inside explains a few things that tectonic theory glazes over. It also explains why dinosaurs were huge: gravity was weaker back then. Why are rotation is slowing: increasing mass will do that.
It's just a theory though, very hard to prove!
The way the continents fit together makes me think that one is pretty interesting.
I'd never heard of that, very interesting! Thanks for explaining it so well.
Isn't it interesting how the timeline of weather modification lines up almost perfectly with the timeline for "global warming"?
Jet planes have been in use since the 50s, but the chemtrail stuff really only dates back to the 80s, just after the climate apocalypse predictions started.
But what would they have to gain..?
WW2 aircraft had vapor trails too. They were fast & high enough to produce them.
Not every plane makes them, it depends entirely on humidity at that altitude. Plane without vapor trails can be hard to spot. If you go to a very quiet place (like Easterville MB) you can hear them though!
Thus: many planes fly around without vapor trails & the correlation with humidity levels is likely 1:1.
Not just vapour trails, though, the idea that "chemtrails" are creating weather patterns.
There are a bunch of different ideas bumping into each other here.
Vapour trails are contemporary to jet engines and make little clouds due to the precipitate they give off, depending on conditions. Nothing weird at all.
"Chemtrails" which are, supposedly, substances dropped on us but, as I mentioned elsewhere, if they're dropping poison we wouldn't see it.
Then there's this weird dispersal phenomenon in OPs pictures. I first saw this maybe ten years ago, but maybe it's been longer. I never saw this 30 years ago.
What passenger aircraft "fly zig-zag" across the sky? You'd think the passengers would, you know, notice that!
The high-altitude winds can push the vapor trails this way and that, they are entirely unrelated to surface winds.
I watched them too as a child. One trail would get pushed, making a shape similar to the "cents" symbol. Another would come along & the same thing would happen. The planes were flying straight even if the vapor trails were not.
We had a lot more planes overhead back then, the routes have changed over the decades. I'm up in Manitoba eh? If you go farther north, like to Easterville MB? You can hear the jets overhead but unless there's a vapor trail they're really hard to see! So the trails have a high correlation to humidity, perhaps 1:1. No vast conspiracy required.
I'm not ruling it out, the US army did spray my city with a radioactive agent back in '58 & City Hall kept it a secret for 40~odd years...
As someone who's actually flown planes, there's actually a reason they might, albeit you are highly unlikely to see it a ton with passenger planes for obvious reasons.
There are a few different manuevers to "slow down" the trajectory of a plane and sometimes taking "S-turns" is one of them. It's not like a car where you can put on the brakes. In the air a plane gets too slow it ceases being a flying object and becomes a falling one. Being that this is also how a plane lands, by slowing down so much at just the right time that the plane no longer flies, they are often going quite slow when near the ground. So if there's a problem and you are approaching the plane in front too quickly, you can S-turn (weave) from side to side to go slower. Remember too that these turns may be huge from the perception of being inside the plane in the air, and appear small on the ground.
So, if you have a busy airport where 10 planes all show up around the same time with the intent to land, they have to be sequenced somehow. ATC will have the pilots more often fly in a holding pattern or a circle than S-turns, but that's not to say S-turns never happen. Same as if you're on a plane that may have some trouble. That doesn't mean it's about to crash, just that something doesn't check out to the pilots satisfaction they may choose to remain in the air, which is relatively safe, and sort it out. That would be some sort of holding pattern too. There are loads and loads of reasons planes just don't fly in straight lines from point A to B.
But the planes making vapor trails aren't the ones coming in to land. They're in mid-flight and unlikely to be climbing or descending very much at all. They can easily throttle up or down if (for example) headwinds increase or decrease. No need to put unnecessary strain on the aircraft by making unneeded maneuvers.
They don't fly in a straight line on long distance hauls, they use the curvature of the Earth to make the trip shorter! You know that of course. That means a big curve on the map, but essentially straight while in mid-flight. Scheduled turns (course adjustments) are common I'm sure.
A lot of the ones I've noticed looked pretty clearly on a higher stage of an ascent, but I've also rarely noticed zig-zags. They could be fighter jets, which fly around a lot more than most might think and aren't super predictable in what they do.
Still though, I'm checking out of this discussion now. I'm not sure there's an on ramp to convince me, and it's because of what I said before. I just do not have the mindset to sprint to maximum complicated conspiracy when the easy solution is feasible. If the government/world were to alter weather or poison the populace or something, they could find much simpler ways than a complex conspiracy to secret manipulate passenger airplanes for decades to distribute whatever. Sometimes the answer is the obvious one, not the full tinfoil hat.
They do cloud seeding, but this photo ain't it. This is just contrails with a cloud layer moving in above it. No video of course because then the scam would be obvious.
HAARP and other long range radar installations are how they actually control the weather. They create the 'northern lights' that are suddenly way closer to the equator.
I personally have video of this phenomenon so, whatever. You do you.
The pictures aren't very good about being in the same spot. They did more harm them good considering most people won't take the time to do more than look at the meme.
You can see the same house, from the same angle, in every single picture...
Look again. Is the house equal in every single picture? It's not.
It's clearly the same house, likely taken at different times of day.
That would not have passed any science class I took.
Lol, wut?
It looks like the first pic is taken from the driveway and the last from the front portch. And?
"Those people over there installed solar panels on their roof. How dare they? Quick, let's seed some clouds and block the sun over their house." hand grabbling ensues
They would not poison the air in the entire sky with goy suppression chemicals, when they, too, breath air.
It's aerosolised semen infected with herpes; that way it hurts us but they just enjoy it.
they did it to san fransisco twice and now the entire bay area is homosexual
Contrails aren't just water vapor and could do the same thing making it hard to tell.
I remember when contrails didn't do this.
Must be Global Warming, huh?
That's my experience. Contrails just chilled in the same spot and slowly faded away. They didn't spread.
I've seen them do all of the above.
Leave horizon to horizon trails. Some straight others pushed by high altitude winds.
Leave trails that slowly or rapidly fade.
Leave no trails at all.
This has been consistent since the 70's in my personal experience. The only thing that has changed up here is that the long-range routs are different, there's fewer over my city now.
I think the first one I noticed was after I started roofing around 2018.
I remember tons of trails from growing up outside in the 90s but I never saw anything like that back then.
It's been oddly clear of trails in my area lately.
We'd have to know the weather conditions surrounding the picture to know. It doesn't seem based on what little we have that this would be legitimate cloud seeding as it does not seem to match necessary criteria:
https://www.dri.edu/cloud-seeding-program/operations-criteria/