See I can totally buy that the government is cloud seeding. I mean in some cases it's done intentionally and publically. I have no problem coming to grips that they might be doing it for illicit purposes or as a conspiracy.
Where I run into it is I've seen these coming out of common passenger jets plenty of times. Am I to believe that somehow some sort of water vapor dispension system is attached to all sorts of general airplanes and no one from a maintenance crew or airplane design or anything has ever brought it to light with real evidence over all this time? I'd have to believe in Men in Black style flashy memory erasers or just like a mass KGB level disappearing people scheme that no one notices to make that believeable.
Who regulates airplane fuel? Do any of the technicians do chemical testing on it before they fuel up? How many people would it actually take to know it was happening, compared to the people "just doing their jobs" in the utter dark?
I'd have to think about the science of it a bit more to get into the feasibility of that. Maybe.
I still think it's giving the enemy too much credit. Why attribute to a grand conspiracy what they could do in the open?
They could fly around planes all over the place, intentionally modifying weather however they want, and at the most it could just be, "black communities don't get as much rain as whites so we are giving them rainy reparations." Military planes already fly all over all the damn time, and they would be able to control the when and where much more carefully.
Okay, I get you. They could also easily use commercial looking planes for military operations. I can't say I've ever been able to get a look at one of these cloud seeding planes, so I can't really say.
It's important to note there are different types of these trails; all jet engines will make little clouds if the conditions are right, but they don't expand across the whole sky like these ones do.
At the concentrations needed for cloud seeding (let alone mass mental retardation), adding something as abrasive as aluminum oxide to fuel would destroy fuel pumps and engines before they even got off the ground. It's a polishing agent FFS, and generally insoluble in like... anything. You either buy it in powder or in a pasty suspension.
So if they are adding it, it's not in the fuel mix.
Let's do some back-of-the-envelope calcs. We'll say 100 grams of seeding material per spread, a Boeing 737 holds about 20k liters of fuel. So 5 mg per liter.
Dispersing and then keeping the particles suspended would be more of the issue, but there's been a fair amount of research into using metal oxides as fuel additives for other reasons. You would need the right surfactant to make it work, but it's feasible.
Metal-oxide buildup in the engine would be another concern, but the polishing effect should be basically non-existent.
I don't know if the government (or some other org) is engaging in large-scale cloud seeding utilizing commercial airliners or not. But that is how I would try to accomplish it if I were wearing a black-hat, and it seems technically feasible.
I was using the term "mental retardation" in a more literal sense vis a vis a literal slowing of the mind, a dampening of the intellect. Which is the chemtrails conspiracy generally (mind control of sorts), and honestly what I (mistakenly) thought you were alluding to with the "people who need to be aware of it" remark. Cloud seeding is a more recent addition.
We'll say 100 grams of seeding material per spread
I have no idea where you got that number, but first, a quick Google on the silver iodide (preferred cloud seeding material) required on a typical seeding run is 25-100kg, or 25-1000x what your estimate is. Give that AgNO3 is 234g/mol and Al2O3 is ~102g/mol, you get the same number of Al2O3 particles at about 1/2 the mass expense, so 12.5-500x your estimate for the same effect. Either way, adding kilograms of effectively-pulverized-sand absolutely introduces the polishing effect.
Second, even if 100g per run in a 737 means 100g dispersed over some 3,000+ miles, so 33mg/mile at best, which comes to about 6 micrograms per linear foot. If that's cloud-seeding density, I should be kicking up thunderstorms every time I polish my tailpipe. No, that's not a euphemism.
You talk about surfactants... that's on the right track, but you were a little closer with the nanoparticle idea. If you conjugated the Al2O3 with a soluble chelating agent or packaged it in a more soluble nanoparticle, it could protect it and the engine parts through combustion. At which point, maybe the nanoparticle shell degrades in the high temps of the jet engine exhaust, exposing the Al2O3. It would be a pretty cool chemistry achievement honestly.
But you'd probably be better off working with some other cloud seeding agent.
If they added it to the fuel, it would leave "chemtrails" across the entire trip, not just specific areas. That seems counter-productive to controlling rain patterns or dousing civilians with chemicals.
They're produced by heating the cold air, causing the condensation to appear when the air immediately cools back down. They come off wingtips of fast aircraft when they turn or dive, and also when the sound barrier is broken too. They're abundant in WW2 pictures. Were those caused by "Aluminum Oxide nanoparticles too?
Just sayin. It's similar to steam from a boiling kettle.
See I can totally buy that the government is cloud seeding. I mean in some cases it's done intentionally and publically. I have no problem coming to grips that they might be doing it for illicit purposes or as a conspiracy.
Where I run into it is I've seen these coming out of common passenger jets plenty of times. Am I to believe that somehow some sort of water vapor dispension system is attached to all sorts of general airplanes and no one from a maintenance crew or airplane design or anything has ever brought it to light with real evidence over all this time? I'd have to believe in Men in Black style flashy memory erasers or just like a mass KGB level disappearing people scheme that no one notices to make that believeable.
Who regulates airplane fuel? Do any of the technicians do chemical testing on it before they fuel up? How many people would it actually take to know it was happening, compared to the people "just doing their jobs" in the utter dark?
I'd have to think about the science of it a bit more to get into the feasibility of that. Maybe.
I still think it's giving the enemy too much credit. Why attribute to a grand conspiracy what they could do in the open?
They could fly around planes all over the place, intentionally modifying weather however they want, and at the most it could just be, "black communities don't get as much rain as whites so we are giving them rainy reparations." Military planes already fly all over all the damn time, and they would be able to control the when and where much more carefully.
Okay, I get you. They could also easily use commercial looking planes for military operations. I can't say I've ever been able to get a look at one of these cloud seeding planes, so I can't really say.
It's important to note there are different types of these trails; all jet engines will make little clouds if the conditions are right, but they don't expand across the whole sky like these ones do.
Aluminum oxide nanoparticle fuel additive. Minimizes the number of people who need to be aware of it.
At the concentrations needed for cloud seeding (let alone mass mental retardation), adding something as abrasive as aluminum oxide to fuel would destroy fuel pumps and engines before they even got off the ground. It's a polishing agent FFS, and generally insoluble in like... anything. You either buy it in powder or in a pasty suspension.
So if they are adding it, it's not in the fuel mix.
We're talking about aluminum, not lead.
Let's do some back-of-the-envelope calcs. We'll say 100 grams of seeding material per spread, a Boeing 737 holds about 20k liters of fuel. So 5 mg per liter.
Dispersing and then keeping the particles suspended would be more of the issue, but there's been a fair amount of research into using metal oxides as fuel additives for other reasons. You would need the right surfactant to make it work, but it's feasible.
Metal-oxide buildup in the engine would be another concern, but the polishing effect should be basically non-existent.
I don't know if the government (or some other org) is engaging in large-scale cloud seeding utilizing commercial airliners or not. But that is how I would try to accomplish it if I were wearing a black-hat, and it seems technically feasible.
I was using the term "mental retardation" in a more literal sense vis a vis a literal slowing of the mind, a dampening of the intellect. Which is the chemtrails conspiracy generally (mind control of sorts), and honestly what I (mistakenly) thought you were alluding to with the "people who need to be aware of it" remark. Cloud seeding is a more recent addition.
I have no idea where you got that number, but first, a quick Google on the silver iodide (preferred cloud seeding material) required on a typical seeding run is 25-100kg, or 25-1000x what your estimate is. Give that AgNO3 is 234g/mol and Al2O3 is ~102g/mol, you get the same number of Al2O3 particles at about 1/2 the mass expense, so 12.5-500x your estimate for the same effect. Either way, adding kilograms of effectively-pulverized-sand absolutely introduces the polishing effect.
Second, even if 100g per run in a 737 means 100g dispersed over some 3,000+ miles, so 33mg/mile at best, which comes to about 6 micrograms per linear foot. If that's cloud-seeding density, I should be kicking up thunderstorms every time I polish my tailpipe. No, that's not a euphemism.
You talk about surfactants... that's on the right track, but you were a little closer with the nanoparticle idea. If you conjugated the Al2O3 with a soluble chelating agent or packaged it in a more soluble nanoparticle, it could protect it and the engine parts through combustion. At which point, maybe the nanoparticle shell degrades in the high temps of the jet engine exhaust, exposing the Al2O3. It would be a pretty cool chemistry achievement honestly.
But you'd probably be better off working with some other cloud seeding agent.
If they added it to the fuel, it would leave "chemtrails" across the entire trip, not just specific areas. That seems counter-productive to controlling rain patterns or dousing civilians with chemicals.
They're produced by heating the cold air, causing the condensation to appear when the air immediately cools back down. They come off wingtips of fast aircraft when they turn or dive, and also when the sound barrier is broken too. They're abundant in WW2 pictures. Were those caused by "Aluminum Oxide nanoparticles too?
Just sayin. It's similar to steam from a boiling kettle.
Do you think fuel is not tested by anyone?
We just chuck it in planes and hope for the best?
Cloud seeding refers to water vapor, which is NOT what chemtrails are and not what should be under discussion.