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Trump: "I had nothing to do with it and it was the Democrats but sorry no investigation or arrests." (twitter.com)
posted 131 days ago by horstshort 131 days ago by horstshort +39 / -0
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– horstshort [S] 41 points 131 days ago +41 / -0

"I'm going to release the Epstein files."

"There is nothing in the Epstein files."

"The Epstein files don't exist."

"The Epstein files do exist but we're releasing only half and won't release any pictures or videos depicting injury, death, sexual assault or child exploitation."

"It was the Democrats and I had nothing to do with it but we have better things to do than investigate a literal international child sex trafficking blackmail ring."

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– SophiesBoyfriend 27 points 131 days ago +27 / -0

We only got 3m out of 5m files that FBI NY handed over. Safe to assume 2m of the files are about [REDACTED] our greatest Ally

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– horstshort [S] 30 points 131 days ago +30 / -0

Most of the released files are about them already. But I guess in the remaining 2 million files we have the stuff that would nuke them in a way that they could never recover from.

After all the DOJ already admitted that they held everything back that depicted violence, death and sexual violence against adults and children. Basically we can assume that everything is true. From the rape of children to the ritual sacrifice of said children.

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– SophiesBoyfriend 8 points 131 days ago +8 / -0

They Re-redacted stuff because it only mentioned Trump :

https://x.com/ryanrozbiani/status/2018480449061003339

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– AntonioOfVenice 14 points 131 days ago +14 / -0

You LIAR. You forgot the intermediate step where he claimed that they do exist but that they were written by Obama, by Comey, by William Jennings Bryan. PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT!

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– OmegaBird 12 points 130 days ago +12 / -0

Trump's avoidance of the files and any pursuit of genuine consequences over it is the surest sign that he is not on our side and is just another establishment goon, protecting the elite cabal, a club we are not invited to.

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– Hing 4 points 131 days ago +4 / -0

How do you get the commies to demand answers about the crimes of the ruling elite they love? By being just shifty enough that they think it's their 27th chance to get Trump. They will own themselves to oblivion of course, as is tradition.

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– AntonioOfVenice 14 points 131 days ago +14 / -0

lol, you think this was 913-dimensional chess and are trusting the plan?

I enjoy seeing leftists focus on the files and bring more attention to them, but let's not pretend that it was necessary for Trump to insult his own supporters, discredit himself and tank all enthusiasm for his administration - all in order to release the files that he could have released without any law.

Next you'll say that he's trying to start a war in Iran so that Democrats will oppose it. Haha, gotcha, I started a regime change war for the pleasure of seeing Dems oppose it.

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– Hing 2 points 131 days ago +2 / -0

lol, you think this was 913-dimensional chess and are trusting the plan?

Absolutely. Are you still not seeing the systematic destruction of leftism and everything it stands for? They're getting trolled by a cycle of "We got him now!" followed by "Oops, we played ourselves..." and they fall for it every single time.

Iran is an illegitimate dictatorship like Venezuela was, the sooner its regime gets changed the better. They admit to having killed thousands of civilians.

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– LGBTQIAIDS 13 points 130 days ago +13 / -0

Calling Iran 'leftist' is one of the dumbest, most liberetardian takes that I've read in a long time.

Even Venezuela, despite its Leftist rhetoric and symbolism, was probably Rightward of the United States overall, particularly on practically every sociocultural issue.

You sure you're not Ben Shapiro, who, when faced with this truth, simply said: 'Who gives a shit?'

Funny how guys like you and him say, and probably believe, that you are 'not Leftists' right before calling for the last remaining holdouts opposed to Leftism to be eliminated. Leftism has had an easy time winning over these past few centuries in part because its opponents are almost to a man just plain stupid to the point of being self-defeating. The Left is evil and stupid; pseudo-Rightists are misguided and stupid: evil can only be found on one side, but stupidity abounds on both.

Indeed, your political conception is probably so far off the mark that it necessitates anarchism being Extreme-Right (i.e. if small government is Right-Wing, no government logically seems to be Extreme-Right), that Ancient China and Ancient Egypt are Left-Wing (e.g. because they were absolute monarchies and essentially non-capitalist, lacking contemporary understandings of private property), and all kinds of other obvious falsehoods.

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– Hing 2 points 130 days ago +2 / -0

Calling Iran 'leftist' is one of the dumbest, most liberetardian takes that I've read in a long time.

Well it's a good thing nobody called Iran leftist then.

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– AntonioOfVenice 7 points 130 days ago +7 / -0

Impressive, unreconstructed "trust the plan" and regime change in the Middle East guy. At least you provide this place with a diversity of opinion.

But surely, even you don't believe your "dictatorship" argument. I mean, many of the biggest US allies are dictatorships, even if we say that Western countries are run in accordance with the will of the people. And your "greatest ally" killed tens of thousands of civilians, and your own country killed millions!

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– Hing 1 point 130 days ago +1 / -0

I live in the Baltics, no relation to Israel or the Middle East.

I've also worked with Iranians. They hate the mullah, eat pork and don't care about islam. In Iran they pay the same price for apartments as we do and even more for cars on salaries that are 20% of ours. Generations live together in tiny homes because nobody can afford anything.

I'm not saying the US needs to intervene but I won't shed a tear when that regime falls and neither will Iranians.

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– AntonioOfVenice 6 points 130 days ago +6 / -0

I live in the Baltics, no relation to Israel or the Middle East.

So the same countries that supported the Iraq War too?

I've also worked with Iranians. They hate the mullah, eat pork and don't care about islam.

Well, previously, you worked with Iraqis and they told you that every Iraqi loved Ahmad Chalabi and that they would greet the imperialist powers as liberators.

Generations live together in tiny homes because nobody can afford anything.

Huh, this sounds familiar.

I'm not saying the US needs to intervene but I won't shed a tear when that regime falls.

And you thought the rest of people were fond of mullahs? Of course this is about interventions.

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– horstshort [S] 6 points 130 days ago +6 / -0

Iran is an illegitimate dictatorship

Illegitimate dictatorship... lmao.

They admit to having killed thousands of civilians.

Fucking amateurs. The US needs to show them how it's done and kill millions.

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– MattTheBlack 1 point 130 days ago +1 / -0

Unless they impede the US who gives a fuck what Iran does in it's own country

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– MattTheBlack 1 point 130 days ago +1 / -0

Odds that Kushner is the new fixer in Epsteins place

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– Galean 19 points 131 days ago +19 / -0

People may not like hearing his but a lot of stuff so far is not illegal. Having parties with hookers in their 20s will put the host in jail and misdemeanour for those involved if even convicted since they did not pay for sex and can claim they did not know.

We will have to wait to see what it's in there related to minors and who is involved.

What disturbing is the level of "goym" hatred that Epstein used in his emails and how people in power seem to be just fine with. I don't think people are talking enough about how this group of elites pushed transgendarism on 3 year olds and treated "goy" like subhuman.

Question is what happens with all this info? Epstein being a Zionist is not illegal, forming relations it's also not illegal, being friends with a disgusting human being is not illegal, sex traffic is illegal but mostly for the one doing it and it looks more and more that most of it was legal age, it's not that they can put Epstein in jail.

We have an entire group of elites that stretches across continents that hate non-jews, engage in perversions and control a big chunk of the world but I can't point to something illegal. 100% there was blackmail going on but without the "victims" of the blackmail coming forward there is no proof yet and if we do find some proof it will be buried in a week with no consequence.

Sry for being black pilled. The files are, in a way, worse than I though but it will have no consequence.

Maybe I'll be wrong and we have a smoking gun somewhere but the fact that we have a conspiracy, potential blackmail, sex traffic and influencing US on behalf of Israel and the only real legal consequence is for the guy who is dead really pisses me of.

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– NiggerWithAForklift 12 points 130 days ago +12 / -0

Do you think Epstein got assassinated in his prison in NYC because he was sleeping with 22 year old hookers?

Do you think the elites are scared to death of blackmail from Epstein revealing that they boned a 23 year old?

Do you think there's reason as to why these files are the only thing that elites from both sides of the aisle work together on to prevent them from being leaked?

Would Epstein have to use code words like pizza and grape soda like in Pizzagate if he was just discussing normal hookers? Would he need an entire island?

Do you think the girls who claim Ghislaine Maxwell tricked them into going to the island and being raped at age 15 are making it up?

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– WeedleTLiar 5 points 130 days ago +5 / -0

Did they do all the heinous stuff we think they did? Sure.

Have they taken months to redact anything that would prove it? Also, sure.

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– Galean 1 point 130 days ago +1 / -0

Without a smoking gun it just seems to be 22 year old hookers. We need more analysis on the subject.

My point was more if it was 20 year old hookers it is still incredibly bad. Even if you don't prove paedophilia we still have a lot of elites that engage in manipulation and blackmail to basically play master puppeteers on a global scale.

It should have consequences even without proving that the girls were minors.

It was/is an evil club and the emails alone should be enough proof to put them all away.

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– NiggerWithAForklift 2 points 130 days ago +2 / -0

Agreed on most of that, but you want more analysis, but this is the analysis. These questions I've asked you are from analyzing the situation. We dont need a smoking gun.

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– Galean 2 points 129 days ago +2 / -0

I looked more on guys reporting on the emails. You're correct, the stuff in there is sick. Every conspiracy theory is being proved correct.

We even have connection between Rothchild and Zelensky via Epstein.

a. They are disgusting monsters.

b. There is a 0 chance we will have any real consequence.

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– NiggerWithAForklift 1 point 129 days ago +1 / -0

So awful.

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– TCDforver 1 point 130 days ago +1 / -0

That's absolutely insane.

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– AntonioOfVenice 7 points 131 days ago +7 / -0

I don't think people are talking enough about how this group of elites pushed transgendarism on 3 year olds and treated "goy" like subhuman.

Not enough? I hear nothing else, usually with the target squarely aligned at ordinary people rather than the elites who are doing this stuff.

Sry for being black pilled. The files are, in a way, worse than I though but it will have no consequence.

They will further tear down the legitimacy of the regime. Among both the left and the right now, thanks to the left's opposition to Trump suppressing the files. Which people say doesn't matter until they look at states that have no legitimacy among the population.

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– Galean 11 points 130 days ago +11 / -0

I also did call it early. The reason that Trump backtracked on Epstein files initially was that it involved "our greatest ally".

I still doubt he was on the blackmail lists but he is from the generation that have an absurd devotion to Israel. I assume what ever is in the remaining files is even worse.

Trump taking the biggest hit to his image made no sense otherwise. If he was on the list he would have forgotten about it the moment he was in the white house. What ever he found surprised him and those around him convinced him it is better to just burry it that risk "anti-semitism".

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– AntonioOfVenice 5 points 130 days ago +5 / -0

It would have been the first selfless act by Trump in his life. I doubt he is devoted to Israel because he loves Israel or Jews so much. He does it because they give him money for his campaign and his ballroom.

So there might be something there that implicates Trump (even more), or maybe damages other Republicans he wants to protect. I don't know. Maybe he really thought he'd get away with it by just repeatng "HOAX OBAMA WROTE IT".

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– Galean 9 points 130 days ago +9 / -0

I doubt he is devoted to Israel because he loves Israel or Jews so much. He does it because they give him money for his campaign and his ballroom.

You severally underestimate the amount of devotion his generation has for Israel. It's blasphemy to critique Israel, it is much worse than racist. Keep in mind that he has jews in his family.

I don't think people really realize how pro-Israel the boomers are.

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– WeedleTLiar 2 points 130 days ago +2 / -0

The whole point of these files is that blackmail material exists on everyone who's even named in them.

It has nithing to do with devotion, everything to do with self-preservation.

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– MattTheBlack 1 point 130 days ago +1 / -0

Unless it's a fake email inserted by the government they were still looking for blackmail on Trump

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– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 130 days ago +1 / -0

I do. But let's also not underestimate how much Trump cares about Trump and Trump alone.

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– MattTheBlack 1 point 130 days ago +1 / -0

I think they just straight up threatened to murder Melania and Barron. I also think Kushner is the inside man. Also that female "pastor" is super suspicious

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– Galean 6 points 131 days ago +6 / -0

That seems useless in the long run to be honest.

The only reason Trump got elected was because he was considered outside the system that everyone already thought it was corrupt. So nothing changes.

That is not entirely correct, it will cause people to be way more anti-Israel and it will fracture the right again and this time with no one to unite it. I also assume most will just tune out entirely and be completely black pilled.

Maybe the left will become less NPCs but I doubt it. They will still push for transgendarism for kids, open borders and insane identity politics. I've yet to see the left even consider that their belief system is insane.

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– AntonioOfVenice 4 points 130 days ago +4 / -0

Maybe the left will become less NPCs but I doubt it. They will still push for transgendarism for kids, open borders and insane identity politics. I've yet to see the left even consider that their belief system is insane.

Due to the Epstein Files? Don't think so. They might become more skeptical of institutions, which is a good thing though.

As for less insane, a lot of people on the right want leftists to abandon their politics entirely. That is impractical. If you ask a leftist to choose between leftism and sanity, he will choose leftism (just like rightists will choose rightism over sanity if it's an either/or). I would like to see them adopt leftism in a way that is (more) consistent with sanity.

"I support workers rights, which is why I oppose immigration - people are brought in to lower the living standard of workers and to abuse people from other countries who are willing to work for less money under intolerable working conditions. Transgenderism for kids is inconsistent with the rights of children - no parent has the right to abuse his child. Furthermore, we don't allow mutilation based on any other mental condition for adults either, so why should this be any different for transgenderism? And if we think that everyone should be judged not on his race, why would we support a race war against whites and east Asians? Past wrongs do not justify present wrongs."

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– Galean 3 points 130 days ago +3 / -0

just like rightists will choose rightism over sanity if it's an either/or

Depending on what rightism is, for most it means minimum government, strong borders, national identity, meritocracy, freedom of speech. The right has done compromises my entire life. The idea that the right will choose insanity over sanity makes no sense to me.

The right has moved left slowly while the left moved left at warp speed. I don't see that this is consistent.

I've yet seen the left accept compromise. I keep hear how woke is dead but it is not true at all. I also see no compromise to be have about mutilating kids and allowing mass migration.

It's not the right that polarized the society it's the left, anyone who had any rightwing thought was considered a nazi. Sorry but if there is any middle ground to be found it can't come from the right. It will have to come from the left and without admitting that they are wrong nothing will happen. They also can't accept a compromise because by their own "logic" compromise equals nazi and without feeling morally superior the left has nothing.

Polarization of society will continue because the right no longer cares about what the left thinks, they can scream nazis and try to emotionally manipulate all they want but we don't care anymore.

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– AntonioOfVenice 2 points 130 days ago +2 / -0

Depending on what rightism is, for most it means minimum government, strong borders, national identity, meritocracy, freedom of speech. The right has done compromises my entire life. The idea that the right will choose insanity over sanity makes no sense to me.

Let me give you an example. You define rightism as elevated principles few disagree with. But even these noble principles have their limit. For example: lolbertarians often fight about whether the government has "the right" to police child abuse material, and they even try to justify because it increases demand and blegh. This is where "minimal government" collides with sanity.

Now, if someone told the right that they could either become full-on leftists and communists, or hold to that position... and they had to choose, they'd probably hold on to that position too! Just like if you told the left "you can't be a leftist and oppose open borders, race war, transgenderism"... they'd probably go with that.

What I try to do is to get leftists to be sane like that. Just imagine how great things would be if these subjects weren't on the table - honestly, I wouldn't care about politics at all.

I also see no compromise to be have about mutilating kids and allowing mass migration.

I agree. The compromise I propose is that leftists remain leftists while opposing transgenderism and immigration.

They also can't accept a compromise because by their own "logic" compromise equals nazi and without feeling morally superior the left has nothing.

Most leftists I know already agree with these things. The biggest leftist and Trump-hater I know also opposes immigration and transgenderism. The few very online idiots are not representative of people as a whole. It is perfectly possible to be a leftist while opposing abject lunacy.

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– horstshort [S] 5 points 130 days ago +5 / -0

The innuendo used in those e-mails makes it pretty clear that they weren't just partying amongst adults. Using pedophile sex trafficking speech? Talking about torture videos and getting permission to kill someone? Those e-mails are a smoking gun. The remaining files are most likely not just a smoking gun but a nuclear arsenal which is why they won't release them.

it looks more and more that most of it was legal age

Look at the e-mails. The contents are far worse and far more damning than anything that ever came out of Pizzagate. It paints a crystal clear picture.

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– MargarineMongoose 4 points 130 days ago +4 / -0

Question is what happens with all this info?

The number goes up from 109 if the public puts enough of the pieces together.

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– MassivePecorino 4 points 130 days ago +4 / -0

*111. Malta and another country have evicted them in the last few years.

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– deleted 3 points 130 days ago +3 / -0
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– ArchRespawnsAgain 2 points 130 days ago +2 / -0

The first step to solving a problem is admitting that there is a problem. That's what the Epstein files are useful for.

Epstein himself also makes a great Satanic figure. He can be the Satanic figure in the formation of a new sort of civic religion that usurps post WWII Holocaustianity. He can replace Hitler in the same way that Hitler replaced Satan.

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– CatoTheElder 13 points 131 days ago +13 / -0

Steve Bannon went to Epstein to arrange meetings with Ehud Barak while Bannon was in Trump's Whitehouse in 2017. Why would Trump investigate one of his master's fixers?

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– Galean 8 points 131 days ago +8 / -0

Bannon was never a Trump ally and he screwed him over. There is a reason Trump removed him early in his presidency.

Trump's first term was gutted because he had no allies around him including the VP.

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– AntonioOfVenice 7 points 131 days ago +7 / -0

This investigation that will totally exculpate me and implicate all the people I don't like? STOP IT IMMEDIATELY! Pls pls pls. Surely, you have better things to do than prove my complete and total innocence and OBLITERATE charges against "Trump"? I'm BEGGING you.

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– WeedleTLiar 2 points 130 days ago +2 / -0

It's like Hillary all over again...

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– Awakened 5 points 131 days ago +5 / -0

Oof

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– 1EyeManKingAmngBlind 1 point 130 days ago +1 / -0

Me me me, referred to himself in the 3rd person, me me exonerated, so nothing else matters about them , “okay next question” not a single harsh word for anyone in the release or drive to pursue anyone ? Just sweep them back under the carpet now

“ Frankly I think the DOJ should just say, ‘we have other things to do’ ”

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