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Trump: "I had nothing to do with it and it was the Democrats but sorry no investigation or arrests." (twitter.com)
posted 131 days ago by horstshort 131 days ago by horstshort +39 / -0
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– Galean 6 points 131 days ago +6 / -0

That seems useless in the long run to be honest.

The only reason Trump got elected was because he was considered outside the system that everyone already thought it was corrupt. So nothing changes.

That is not entirely correct, it will cause people to be way more anti-Israel and it will fracture the right again and this time with no one to unite it. I also assume most will just tune out entirely and be completely black pilled.

Maybe the left will become less NPCs but I doubt it. They will still push for transgendarism for kids, open borders and insane identity politics. I've yet to see the left even consider that their belief system is insane.

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– AntonioOfVenice 4 points 131 days ago +4 / -0

Maybe the left will become less NPCs but I doubt it. They will still push for transgendarism for kids, open borders and insane identity politics. I've yet to see the left even consider that their belief system is insane.

Due to the Epstein Files? Don't think so. They might become more skeptical of institutions, which is a good thing though.

As for less insane, a lot of people on the right want leftists to abandon their politics entirely. That is impractical. If you ask a leftist to choose between leftism and sanity, he will choose leftism (just like rightists will choose rightism over sanity if it's an either/or). I would like to see them adopt leftism in a way that is (more) consistent with sanity.

"I support workers rights, which is why I oppose immigration - people are brought in to lower the living standard of workers and to abuse people from other countries who are willing to work for less money under intolerable working conditions. Transgenderism for kids is inconsistent with the rights of children - no parent has the right to abuse his child. Furthermore, we don't allow mutilation based on any other mental condition for adults either, so why should this be any different for transgenderism? And if we think that everyone should be judged not on his race, why would we support a race war against whites and east Asians? Past wrongs do not justify present wrongs."

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– Galean 3 points 131 days ago +3 / -0

just like rightists will choose rightism over sanity if it's an either/or

Depending on what rightism is, for most it means minimum government, strong borders, national identity, meritocracy, freedom of speech. The right has done compromises my entire life. The idea that the right will choose insanity over sanity makes no sense to me.

The right has moved left slowly while the left moved left at warp speed. I don't see that this is consistent.

I've yet seen the left accept compromise. I keep hear how woke is dead but it is not true at all. I also see no compromise to be have about mutilating kids and allowing mass migration.

It's not the right that polarized the society it's the left, anyone who had any rightwing thought was considered a nazi. Sorry but if there is any middle ground to be found it can't come from the right. It will have to come from the left and without admitting that they are wrong nothing will happen. They also can't accept a compromise because by their own "logic" compromise equals nazi and without feeling morally superior the left has nothing.

Polarization of society will continue because the right no longer cares about what the left thinks, they can scream nazis and try to emotionally manipulate all they want but we don't care anymore.

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– AntonioOfVenice 2 points 131 days ago +2 / -0

Depending on what rightism is, for most it means minimum government, strong borders, national identity, meritocracy, freedom of speech. The right has done compromises my entire life. The idea that the right will choose insanity over sanity makes no sense to me.

Let me give you an example. You define rightism as elevated principles few disagree with. But even these noble principles have their limit. For example: lolbertarians often fight about whether the government has "the right" to police child abuse material, and they even try to justify because it increases demand and blegh. This is where "minimal government" collides with sanity.

Now, if someone told the right that they could either become full-on leftists and communists, or hold to that position... and they had to choose, they'd probably hold on to that position too! Just like if you told the left "you can't be a leftist and oppose open borders, race war, transgenderism"... they'd probably go with that.

What I try to do is to get leftists to be sane like that. Just imagine how great things would be if these subjects weren't on the table - honestly, I wouldn't care about politics at all.

I also see no compromise to be have about mutilating kids and allowing mass migration.

I agree. The compromise I propose is that leftists remain leftists while opposing transgenderism and immigration.

They also can't accept a compromise because by their own "logic" compromise equals nazi and without feeling morally superior the left has nothing.

Most leftists I know already agree with these things. The biggest leftist and Trump-hater I know also opposes immigration and transgenderism. The few very online idiots are not representative of people as a whole. It is perfectly possible to be a leftist while opposing abject lunacy.

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