A less drastic but far more humane solution: involuntary incarceration for the "homeless".
Get them into a detox/rehab. Re-educate them to be decent citizens. Then provide supports to keep them off welfare & off the streets.
The severely mentally ill may be held there for life, but I think that's better than living in hell.
Unfortunately the US mental health industry was FAR worse that it's prison system ever was. It took the Quakers in WW2 to unmask the nightmare. Then when pharmaceuticals came along every nation basically closed every asylum :/
So here we all are putting the mentally ill in prison. Or letting them rot on the streets.
I never said I was going to press that switch. That's fake news. FAKE NEWS. I had the decorators cover that switch with a portrait of your favorite president- ME. I know what's best for America. Look, I have all these other beautiful switches. The best switches. Why aren't you talking about the other switches? Believe me. We didn't need that switch. Nobody wants that switch. Forget about the switch.
The single biggest problem with the switch is that there’s actually a timer on it as well.
The longer it goes unpressed, the less likely it is to EVER be pressed. Demographics = destiny, and with each passing election the numbers tick up more and more in their favor. Eventually there won’t be a switch anymore
Years ago in High School, had a fantastic political science teacher
He would be called based today (would also never be hired being a white male). Caucasian, in his 40s, devout Catholic
Was also a football coach, students loved him
He had a Socratic teaching style
I memorably recall one student in the class, super liberal girl, she was the prototype of things to come
She got into an argument with him early on in the school year about Immigration
Her argument was the usual shitlib concept of infinity migrants and what about empathy
He let her go on for a bit about "lets turn bombs into bowls to feed the hungry"
At the end of her rant, he asked her
"I see you're very passionate about this. So what are YOU going to specifically do about it?"
She fired back with a bunch of hypotheticals about what should be done, he cut her off
"I'm not asking what you THINK should be done. I am asking what actions you are going to demonstrably take to make these things happen"
She didn't have an answer.
He left it at that, (and his point was not embarrass her)
He segued into a discussion on objective political action requiring organization, policy agenda, donor funding, getting in contact with actual policy makers and representatives and time invested.
It was educational.
I think back to that conversation. When you see people constantly up in arms about the Current Political Thing giving hot takes and what they wish would happen.
What are we going to do about it? A handful of people rotting away on a dissident internet forum? I guess we could say these things at work and get fired. Or say these things to our family and friends and get disowned. Or we could run for office and be destroyed because we don’t have AIPAC money. Or we could vote for someone who says all the right things, gets elected, and then immediately betrays us. Any other hot ideas, fed?
I think you missed the point. Not what WE could do about it, what are YOU doing about it right now?
No one expects you (an individual) to solve the problem. Rather than think of ways other people could fix it? What are you actually doing to make it even a tiny bit better? Is the point.
Some of us actually do go out and do things about it in the real world, just for people on this rotting forum to call us liars, cultists or insane for talking about it and not instead joining in the doomer circle jerk crying about the state of this world.
Go volunteer with a local big brother program. Congrats you might have just helped turn one kid into someone of value instead of another welfare leech that'll vote Dem for his gibs. Help your own church with its operations. Shit, go become a man worth emulating in your community by being the one that everyone talks to when they need to fix something around their house.
I think your mindset is telling of the problem of why the Right can't win. It only sees politics as the weapon to use to get its way, and fails to actually capture everyday life that those politics can be born from.
I suppose a problem with this reductionist "You can just do things" meme is that an individual can say "No".
But it really takes collectivist action to actually do anything active, such as "removing the traitors".
Which sort of circles back to contradict the Switch/Just Do Things meme because there exists zero collectivist orgs on the dissident right that one could join to actually decide to "Do Something" as the meme implies even as an awake sigma motivated individual.
I suppose a problem with this reductionist "You can just do things" meme is that an individual can say "No".
True, absolutely. But the issue is no one is even saying "we should press the button," or even acknowledging the existence of the button.
The people in the position to push the button won't, and will lie to our face. Your or I can't bush the button - at least not that button - but there are people who could...and, to you're point, they aren't even saying "no," they're pretending they can't see the button, and haven't even ever heard of it and, actually, you're totally crazy. Why are you being unreasonable?!
But it really takes collectivist action to actually do anything active, such as "removing the traitors".
To be fair, removing the traitors is the most complicated of the examples I gave. And, even that...the popular will is there. If Trump wanted to...holy shit, people would be ecstatic. People are fed up. So even "remove the traitors" is a button that could be pushed, by the right people or person.
Which sort of circles back to contradict the Switch/Just Do Things meme because there exists zero collectivist orgs on the dissident right that one could join to actually decide to "Do Something" as the meme implies even as an awake sigma motivated individual.
The button isn't for us, the people. It's about the people at the top, who we elected to push the button, and they pissed on us instead. Like I said, I can't push the button. If I could, I would. You can't push the button; I assume you would if you could too.
Trump could push the button. Obama could have pushed the button. Certain other high-profile people could push some buttons. Zuckerberg or Musk could push some buttons. Stuff like that. But they all serve different masters.
The switch isn't just one thing; it's the idea that you could just stop a bunch of these things.
Ironic, because I saw the switch as a mockery of people who say things like "we aren't deporting 300000 per day, Trump has betrayed us" as if there is just a switch he is refusing to hit out of pure Evilness that'll instantly fix the country.
Its a good meme in this case, if we can all pull what we want to see from it even if they are very opposed.
Everything. There’s a simple solution to virtually every societal problem, but because that solution is often considered distasteful by polite society, we get a big song and dance about how you can’t just do the simple thing to solve the problem.
One of the simplest ones is the amount of crimes committed by people with a stupid amount of arrests that should have been in prison for life 15 charges ago.
Like I know politicians are fucking scumbags that in no way do what they say or are supposed to be doing, but politics and economics legitimately are extremely fucking complicated.
Let's take the example of repeat offenders in a given city causing something like 90+% of the problems.
Why can't we just kill them? Hell, let's just actually incarcerate them for the remainder of their lives or for decades until they're objectively "fixed."
You see, because Bukele did this. It worked without question. It is just one small example of pressing the button.
Seems like we should add "this is peak teenage politics" to the meme.
an often overlooked feature of death penalty was to reduce the impact of the bad strains on the gene pool. yes, sometimes they had already reproduced, but it still lowered their reproductive potential.
That's a perfect example, because there is literally nobody in the US government who could accomplish this as a singular action (aka flipping a switch).
You're talking about flipping the switch like it's easy but the reality is that you need to get some super-majority of politicians to all "flip the switch" at the same time, and THAT is nearly impossible.
You mean like what Bukele did, right? Exactly like I just said, right? What you're referring to is bureaucracy which, by just pressing the switch, you just sidestep. Exactly like Bukele did.
The US political system is designed specifically to prevent unilateral action. Every single politician tries to undermine and get around this constantly, but it's still more or less true. Executive orders are one of the only unilateral actions still available in the US, and even these are often bogged down by the court system.
Plenty of issues are legitimately complicated. Also, plenty of very simple issues are made complicated and therefore impossible to simply fix.
"Trans kids" is a great example of a "fix everything button" issue. Simply ban hormones and surgery for physically normal minors looking to troon out but allow hormones and surgery for rare medical cases such as precocious puberty, etc.
A well written and comprehensive national law to that effect would legitimately fix everything for that issue. But it will never happen because our government is dysfunctional.
And is there anyone who could create such a law as a singular action? It's only as easy as flipping a switch if a majority of politicians start working together in unison, which they literally NEVER do.
Describe to me ANY realistic way that such a law could be passed that doesn't involve pages and pages of negotiating tactics to bring in various interests groups, and keep them in line to get it done. Deals need to be negotiated, compromises made, and on and on and on forever.
Ah yes. Benevolent dictator. The ideal form of government where an autocrat with absolute power just so happens to govern exactly the way you think is right. In case you're not aware this is also a mainstay of freshmen year political classes.
That's true, it will hurt at first & people fear that. They're too stupid to look 3-5-10 years into the future and see how much better life will be for everyone!
The other reason it doesn't get pressed is because the politician (and party) that does will never get re-elected.
And, sadly, once the opposition gets in they'll just un-do it. Knowing full well the damage it will cause.
Yes I'm tired of paying more taxes to prop up half the countries in the world. .. But letting half the world in to leech directly is too much
A less drastic but far more humane solution: involuntary incarceration for the "homeless".
Get them into a detox/rehab. Re-educate them to be decent citizens. Then provide supports to keep them off welfare & off the streets.
The severely mentally ill may be held there for life, but I think that's better than living in hell.
Unfortunately the US mental health industry was FAR worse that it's prison system ever was. It took the Quakers in WW2 to unmask the nightmare. Then when pharmaceuticals came along every nation basically closed every asylum :/
So here we all are putting the mentally ill in prison. Or letting them rot on the streets.
I never said I was going to press that switch. That's fake news. FAKE NEWS. I had the decorators cover that switch with a portrait of your favorite president- ME. I know what's best for America. Look, I have all these other beautiful switches. The best switches. Why aren't you talking about the other switches? Believe me. We didn't need that switch. Nobody wants that switch. Forget about the switch.
Are you still talking about me saying I would press the switch? That’s fake news from democrats.
The existence of the switch is a DEMOCRAT HOAX. Just like the LIE that I campaigned on pressing the switch.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER,
YOUR FAVORITE PRESIDENT.
I will push the switch in two weeks. STAY TUNED.
The single biggest problem with the switch is that there’s actually a timer on it as well.
The longer it goes unpressed, the less likely it is to EVER be pressed. Demographics = destiny, and with each passing election the numbers tick up more and more in their favor. Eventually there won’t be a switch anymore
Years ago in High School, had a fantastic political science teacher
He would be called based today (would also never be hired being a white male). Caucasian, in his 40s, devout Catholic
Was also a football coach, students loved him
He had a Socratic teaching style
I memorably recall one student in the class, super liberal girl, she was the prototype of things to come
She got into an argument with him early on in the school year about Immigration
Her argument was the usual shitlib concept of infinity migrants and what about empathy
He let her go on for a bit about "lets turn bombs into bowls to feed the hungry"
At the end of her rant, he asked her
"I see you're very passionate about this. So what are YOU going to specifically do about it?"
She fired back with a bunch of hypotheticals about what should be done, he cut her off
"I'm not asking what you THINK should be done. I am asking what actions you are going to demonstrably take to make these things happen"
She didn't have an answer.
He left it at that, (and his point was not embarrass her)
He segued into a discussion on objective political action requiring organization, policy agenda, donor funding, getting in contact with actual policy makers and representatives and time invested.
It was educational.
I think back to that conversation. When you see people constantly up in arms about the Current Political Thing giving hot takes and what they wish would happen.
Wishful thinking is meaningless.
"What are you going to do about it?"
I remember this post.
What are we going to do about it? A handful of people rotting away on a dissident internet forum? I guess we could say these things at work and get fired. Or say these things to our family and friends and get disowned. Or we could run for office and be destroyed because we don’t have AIPAC money. Or we could vote for someone who says all the right things, gets elected, and then immediately betrays us. Any other hot ideas, fed?
This is why we can’t have nice things
I think you missed the point. Not what WE could do about it, what are YOU doing about it right now?
No one expects you (an individual) to solve the problem. Rather than think of ways other people could fix it? What are you actually doing to make it even a tiny bit better? Is the point.
Some of us actually do go out and do things about it in the real world, just for people on this rotting forum to call us liars, cultists or insane for talking about it and not instead joining in the doomer circle jerk crying about the state of this world.
Go volunteer with a local big brother program. Congrats you might have just helped turn one kid into someone of value instead of another welfare leech that'll vote Dem for his gibs. Help your own church with its operations. Shit, go become a man worth emulating in your community by being the one that everyone talks to when they need to fix something around their house.
I think your mindset is telling of the problem of why the Right can't win. It only sees politics as the weapon to use to get its way, and fails to actually capture everyday life that those politics can be born from.
That's because your IQ is over 110, but you're arguing with the 90-110 group that thinks they're geniuses.
*70 - 90 IQ
We are talking about liberals, Liberals, leftists, democrats and Karens here, eh? Also "journalists" too.
Is this meme supposed to represent mass deportations?
Making supporting a foreign subversive power in Israel illegal as treason for government representatives?
Just initiating political violence in general?
Openly supporting nationalism & White identitarianism?
Like most good memes the degree of vagueness lets everyone read their own thoughts into the message.
It’s an interesting question though. What does this switch represent?
Problems caused by outsiders.
That a bunch of our problems are self inflicted, and could be stopped simply by saying "no, we're not doing that anymore," and removing the traitors.
Immigration, demographics, foreign entanglements, wages and economy, health, take your pick.
The switch isn't just one thing; it's the idea that you could just stop a bunch of these things.
That makes a ton of sense, and also explains the “cope” nature of all the responses in the image
I suppose a problem with this reductionist "You can just do things" meme is that an individual can say "No".
But it really takes collectivist action to actually do anything active, such as "removing the traitors".
Which sort of circles back to contradict the Switch/Just Do Things meme because there exists zero collectivist orgs on the dissident right that one could join to actually decide to "Do Something" as the meme implies even as an awake sigma motivated individual.
True, absolutely. But the issue is no one is even saying "we should press the button," or even acknowledging the existence of the button.
The people in the position to push the button won't, and will lie to our face. Your or I can't bush the button - at least not that button - but there are people who could...and, to you're point, they aren't even saying "no," they're pretending they can't see the button, and haven't even ever heard of it and, actually, you're totally crazy. Why are you being unreasonable?!
To be fair, removing the traitors is the most complicated of the examples I gave. And, even that...the popular will is there. If Trump wanted to...holy shit, people would be ecstatic. People are fed up. So even "remove the traitors" is a button that could be pushed, by the right people or person.
The button isn't for us, the people. It's about the people at the top, who we elected to push the button, and they pissed on us instead. Like I said, I can't push the button. If I could, I would. You can't push the button; I assume you would if you could too.
Trump could push the button. Obama could have pushed the button. Certain other high-profile people could push some buttons. Zuckerberg or Musk could push some buttons. Stuff like that. But they all serve different masters.
Ironic, because I saw the switch as a mockery of people who say things like "we aren't deporting 300000 per day, Trump has betrayed us" as if there is just a switch he is refusing to hit out of pure Evilness that'll instantly fix the country.
Its a good meme in this case, if we can all pull what we want to see from it even if they are very opposed.
It's for everything. Anything where entrenched interests have made the easy solution impossible.
...
In just about every domain, there's an easy and obvious solution that would fix everything, and then for some bullshit reason we can't do it.
Everything. There’s a simple solution to virtually every societal problem, but because that solution is often considered distasteful by polite society, we get a big song and dance about how you can’t just do the simple thing to solve the problem.
One of the simplest ones is the amount of crimes committed by people with a stupid amount of arrests that should have been in prison for life 15 charges ago.
there isnt a single aspect of that country that wouldnt be improved by deporting all the illegal and legal immigrants, all 50M+ of them.
Want more available jobs that pay better?
Want more available housing that is cheaper?
Want utilities, health care, insurance, and public service costs to decrease?
Want cheaper groceries and gas?
Want less traffic?
Want less crime?
Want less pollution?
Want less taxes?
This is peak teenage politics.
Like I know politicians are fucking scumbags that in no way do what they say or are supposed to be doing, but politics and economics legitimately are extremely fucking complicated.
Let's take the example of repeat offenders in a given city causing something like 90+% of the problems.
Why can't we just kill them? Hell, let's just actually incarcerate them for the remainder of their lives or for decades until they're objectively "fixed."
You see, because Bukele did this. It worked without question. It is just one small example of pressing the button.
Seems like we should add "this is peak teenage politics" to the meme.
an often overlooked feature of death penalty was to reduce the impact of the bad strains on the gene pool. yes, sometimes they had already reproduced, but it still lowered their reproductive potential.
That's a perfect example, because there is literally nobody in the US government who could accomplish this as a singular action (aka flipping a switch).
You're talking about flipping the switch like it's easy but the reality is that you need to get some super-majority of politicians to all "flip the switch" at the same time, and THAT is nearly impossible.
You mean like what Bukele did, right? Exactly like I just said, right? What you're referring to is bureaucracy which, by just pressing the switch, you just sidestep. Exactly like Bukele did.
The US political system is designed specifically to prevent unilateral action. Every single politician tries to undermine and get around this constantly, but it's still more or less true. Executive orders are one of the only unilateral actions still available in the US, and even these are often bogged down by the court system.
Plenty of issues are legitimately complicated. Also, plenty of very simple issues are made complicated and therefore impossible to simply fix.
"Trans kids" is a great example of a "fix everything button" issue. Simply ban hormones and surgery for physically normal minors looking to troon out but allow hormones and surgery for rare medical cases such as precocious puberty, etc.
A well written and comprehensive national law to that effect would legitimately fix everything for that issue. But it will never happen because our government is dysfunctional.
And is there anyone who could create such a law as a singular action? It's only as easy as flipping a switch if a majority of politicians start working together in unison, which they literally NEVER do.
Describe to me ANY realistic way that such a law could be passed that doesn't involve pages and pages of negotiating tactics to bring in various interests groups, and keep them in line to get it done. Deals need to be negotiated, compromises made, and on and on and on forever.
Your rhetoric in this thread is simply making a case for dictatorship. Not sure if that was your goal, but that is what you are doing.
Ah yes. Benevolent dictator. The ideal form of government where an autocrat with absolute power just so happens to govern exactly the way you think is right. In case you're not aware this is also a mainstay of freshmen year political classes.
You're right. If something requires even moderate effort, then we should give up and not make an attempt.
Good call.
I mean, the fact that there's so much opposition to pressing the switch, kinda implies it wont be as easy as just pressing a switch.
That's true, it will hurt at first & people fear that. They're too stupid to look 3-5-10 years into the future and see how much better life will be for everyone!
The other reason it doesn't get pressed is because the politician (and party) that does will never get re-elected.
And, sadly, once the opposition gets in they'll just un-do it. Knowing full well the damage it will cause.
If you try to press that switch, the shills, useful idiots and demoralizers will scream "that's illegal!".
XD