Reminds me of the concept with "The Capture," a British thriller with an interesting concept, although it just ended up concluding that Orange Man Bad.
But, yeah, the only reasons you'd want to make everything fake, is to either hide the truth, or be able to decide what the truth is for everyone. Which is just the same thing from another angle.
I ended up on the non-English version of a food related channel I like from Georgia (country, not state), and it gave me the option to hear the voices in English, fully AI translated, using the voices of the people in the video.
I have not seen that option anywhere else, and it was both amazing, and creepy, at the same time.
I've been expecting to see news about it pop up, but it must still be a very limited feature or something. Point is, youtube is experimenting with a lot of this AI stuff and we are less than 5 years out before they just AI generate the entire video for you, and completely cut out the "creator" part of the process.
That's the direction all AI "legislation" is going. Only people who own the training data can use the AI, and youtube owns all the video on it's platform. They are going to edge out the internet user completely to regain control.
YouTube introduced AI dubbing a couple months ago. It's only available to large enough channels and seems like the channel owner has to manually opt into it for specific videos.
I've seen a bunch of non-English channels in my recommended feed taking advantage of the feature to reach a much wider audience so far. Those channels would never be recommended to English viewers without it.
The first time I noticed a dubbed recommendation, it was actually a good video on an obscure topic not covered by any English channels and worth watching.
Yeah I keep getting random countries conservative channels, as well as Christian content. I used it once for Tucker's interview in Germany cause I was curious, but outside of rare circumstances I don't see me using it. It was clogging up my main page for a bit, it seems to have slowed down tho
Youtube is doing some pretty advanced shit lately.
You can turn-on automatic subtitles in many small languages you would think they should not be able to use due to sparce avaliable ''training data''.
I tested Occitan, and not only is it understandable, it's pretty good / gramatically correct most of the time.
The automatically-generated French dubs however, are very uncanny and cringe-inducing.
With alot of English idioms translated word-for-word that make no sense in French and you have to reverse-translate it in your head to understand. Like when Justin Trudeau is trying to speak French without a script written by someone else.
Took me a while to realize what he was even trying to show.
He says spot the difference between two videos so I thought there would be, you know, two videos. I'm like ok a guy talking, switches to guy talking again, looks the same, I don't see a difference??
It's one video that switches from youtube/insta version every few seconds. On his guitar video he's saying look at the pickups and shirt wrinkles so I'm not looking at the peripheral where it says youtube or insta.
Basically it's switching between one that is consistently blurry and one that is inconsistently sharp (strings), blurry (shirt arm wrinkles), and smooth (face without wrinkles).
Guy apparently isn't skilled at video editing enough to do a side-by-side like anyone who's not a fucking moron would have done.
There was a book about tricking people using AI in 2020. It blamed Trump of course, but it gave a good outline of what they intended to do. They want to make it look like nothing but what they say is true. It's their MO to claim authority and truth at all times.
I've noticed that Youtube has been chewing up more CPU cycles on the same hardware recently than it used to. I wonder if Youtube is doing some fucky-wucky client-side shit to try and make videos still look good while reducing the bitrate and bandwidth cost on their end?
Been using add-on for a long time to put youtube in the highest quality even when playing in a tiny window, just so it would cost them that fraction of a cent in data/hosting but also so they'd think people cared more about high rez.
I've been calling for people to do this for a decade now even back on the reddits so maybe enough people did this that Goog has been tricked into spending actual money and energy now undermining their own credibility with fake high quality.
I don't even see how using AI to upscale the video could possibly save them any money.
It will still use the same amount of storage and bandwidth, actually more since the AI adds fake detail to lower quality source material, and now they have to spend an enormous amount of energy on the upscaling process.
They're also not increasing quality since most uploads are high quality and they're upscaling even the highest quality footage which is actually losing detail due to the shitty AI upscaling.
Given that it makes no sense from a quality, money, or energy perspective... you have to ask yourself, why exactly would they decide to do this?
and now they have to spent an enormous amount of energy on the upscaling process.
I don't know this part is true. Not all AI is equal, and AI upscaling and denoising is sufficiently lightweight that it's used as a post-processing step to make raytracing more practical.
Probably doing it because they think people want higher quality videos, but you're right it'll cost them a lot of money.
The 4k version of OP video is using 3.5 GiB. Maybe ten copies with redundancy and in different datacenters, that's maybe $0.30 in hard drive space. That's going to add up if they upscale lots of their 1080p to 4k. Also electricity and upscale AI isn't free, and they'll be redoing this over and over as the upscale models improve.
It's probably not actually a nefarious master plan to make people doubt everything. They're just looking at micro metric A/B testing saying "which vid do you prefer" and the mechanical turks they ask say the upscale because less blurry.
...but still hilarious that in the longer term they're undermining themselves because nobody asked, "yeah but should we do this?"
Market share for people searching for high quality video could be quite high, if the demand outstrips the supply then upscaling content that isn't in "27k 2700fps!!" might make it worth the advertising bucks.
But if they can ultimately achieve AI up-scaling on the client side then it would pay off infinitely.
I can’t wait until Nvidia is implanting this shit into our eyes so everything looks like a shitty UE5 game.
That is actually terrifying to imagine. Constant ghosting and blurry shit everywhere. I hate TAA so much.
Not quite. If no one is able to tell what's real, then no one will use his own critical faculties, and instead rely on what 'authorities' say is real.
Or the audience calls it shit and someone makes an app to detect and downscale the forced upscale.
Reminds me of the concept with "The Capture," a British thriller with an interesting concept, although it just ended up concluding that Orange Man Bad.
But, yeah, the only reasons you'd want to make everything fake, is to either hide the truth, or be able to decide what the truth is for everyone. Which is just the same thing from another angle.
It's all about control.
I ended up on the non-English version of a food related channel I like from Georgia (country, not state), and it gave me the option to hear the voices in English, fully AI translated, using the voices of the people in the video.
I have not seen that option anywhere else, and it was both amazing, and creepy, at the same time.
I've been expecting to see news about it pop up, but it must still be a very limited feature or something. Point is, youtube is experimenting with a lot of this AI stuff and we are less than 5 years out before they just AI generate the entire video for you, and completely cut out the "creator" part of the process.
That's the direction all AI "legislation" is going. Only people who own the training data can use the AI, and youtube owns all the video on it's platform. They are going to edge out the internet user completely to regain control.
YouTube introduced AI dubbing a couple months ago. It's only available to large enough channels and seems like the channel owner has to manually opt into it for specific videos.
I've seen a bunch of non-English channels in my recommended feed taking advantage of the feature to reach a much wider audience so far. Those channels would never be recommended to English viewers without it.
The first time I noticed a dubbed recommendation, it was actually a good video on an obscure topic not covered by any English channels and worth watching.
Yeah I keep getting random countries conservative channels, as well as Christian content. I used it once for Tucker's interview in Germany cause I was curious, but outside of rare circumstances I don't see me using it. It was clogging up my main page for a bit, it seems to have slowed down tho
Youtube is doing some pretty advanced shit lately.
You can turn-on automatic subtitles in many small languages you would think they should not be able to use due to sparce avaliable ''training data''.
I tested Occitan, and not only is it understandable, it's pretty good / gramatically correct most of the time.
The automatically-generated French dubs however, are very uncanny and cringe-inducing.
With alot of English idioms translated word-for-word that make no sense in French and you have to reverse-translate it in your head to understand. Like when Justin Trudeau is trying to speak French without a script written by someone else.
I've seen that sort of AI translation before, but it was only on some old German videos.
Yeah youtube has had that for a couple weeks (maybe months) now. Noticed it, when instead of my podcaster sperg I heard some computerized German.
The obnoxious part is that it is on by default and I had to search in NewPipe where to turn it off. :/
I can't tell the difference.
Maby because I am watching at low resolution.
''AI Upscaling'' and fake frames generation is how big game devs studios and streaming platforms get around garbage optimisation today.
Took me a while to realize what he was even trying to show.
He says spot the difference between two videos so I thought there would be, you know, two videos. I'm like ok a guy talking, switches to guy talking again, looks the same, I don't see a difference??
It's one video that switches from youtube/insta version every few seconds. On his guitar video he's saying look at the pickups and shirt wrinkles so I'm not looking at the peripheral where it says youtube or insta.
Basically it's switching between one that is consistently blurry and one that is inconsistently sharp (strings), blurry (shirt arm wrinkles), and smooth (face without wrinkles).
Guy apparently isn't skilled at video editing enough to do a side-by-side like anyone who's not a fucking moron would have done.
It adds this weird shiny glow around edges in order to "sharpen" things and makes everything looks very plasticy.
There was a book about tricking people using AI in 2020. It blamed Trump of course, but it gave a good outline of what they intended to do. They want to make it look like nothing but what they say is true. It's their MO to claim authority and truth at all times.
People laugh at me when they see I intentionally watch youtube at 360p.
They genuinely can't understand why.
It helps you remember this is just some bullshit on the internet and probably isn't real.
I've noticed that Youtube has been chewing up more CPU cycles on the same hardware recently than it used to. I wonder if Youtube is doing some fucky-wucky client-side shit to try and make videos still look good while reducing the bitrate and bandwidth cost on their end?
Been using add-on for a long time to put youtube in the highest quality even when playing in a tiny window, just so it would cost them that fraction of a cent in data/hosting but also so they'd think people cared more about high rez.
I've been calling for people to do this for a decade now even back on the reddits so maybe enough people did this that Goog has been tricked into spending actual money and energy now undermining their own credibility with fake high quality.
/nelsonlaugh
I don't even see how using AI to upscale the video could possibly save them any money.
It will still use the same amount of storage and bandwidth, actually more since the AI adds fake detail to lower quality source material, and now they have to spend an enormous amount of energy on the upscaling process.
They're also not increasing quality since most uploads are high quality and they're upscaling even the highest quality footage which is actually losing detail due to the shitty AI upscaling.
Given that it makes no sense from a quality, money, or energy perspective... you have to ask yourself, why exactly would they decide to do this?
I don't know this part is true. Not all AI is equal, and AI upscaling and denoising is sufficiently lightweight that it's used as a post-processing step to make raytracing more practical.
Probably doing it because they think people want higher quality videos, but you're right it'll cost them a lot of money.
The 4k version of OP video is using 3.5 GiB. Maybe ten copies with redundancy and in different datacenters, that's maybe $0.30 in hard drive space. That's going to add up if they upscale lots of their 1080p to 4k. Also electricity and upscale AI isn't free, and they'll be redoing this over and over as the upscale models improve.
It's probably not actually a nefarious master plan to make people doubt everything. They're just looking at micro metric A/B testing saying "which vid do you prefer" and the mechanical turks they ask say the upscale because less blurry.
...but still hilarious that in the longer term they're undermining themselves because nobody asked, "yeah but should we do this?"
Market share for people searching for high quality video could be quite high, if the demand outstrips the supply then upscaling content that isn't in "27k 2700fps!!" might make it worth the advertising bucks.
But if they can ultimately achieve AI up-scaling on the client side then it would pay off infinitely.