Feel like it's worth making this post, especially in light of the last Switch 1 Presentation only a while ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrTVeYm4iIM
Personal Thoughts:
Really, it does just seem to be an attempted linear upgrade of the switch. I had a suspicion a while ago it might be hard to top the Switch era in some respects, so this seems to be more just a matter of new hardware... though for a lot of hardcore gamers (and people of scored), that probably won't do much for them.
I feel like Nintendo at least seems to be subconsciously trying to do a convergent evolution with PCs to some degree, at least with the new mouse controls. I've heard similar things about the next Xbox effectively being a PC, so if they are smart they might try this too.
Raidou Remastered and the New Professor Layton are the only new games that stick out at me right now, and those were announced before this point.
The New Donkey Kong and The Duskbloods seem to be the only real things that might grab major attention.
I hope the freeze in the middle of the stream isn't an ill omen of things to come.
Otherwise, not much of note here, at least to my eyes. Maybe they will pick up from this period of little note once the Nintendo Switch 2's successor arrives next decade, but for now it seems rather quiet.
EDIT: I did just see on that they have seemingly joined the 80$ for a game bandwagon with Mario Kart World Tour. Let's hope this isn't a sign of a worrying trend to come... though fate doesn't seem so kind these days.
90$ is a bridge too far for me
Shit, I might have to give gamefly another go if that's how it's gonna be... unless they get a price hike too
Nintendo is seemingly trying to charge $80 USD for Mario Kart World. The EU pricing lists different pricing between physical and digital, so I'm assuming the $80 USD for Mario Kart World is phyiscal pricing, and that digital copies will probably be $70 USD. This sucks, as it was already difficult to justify a lot of Nintendo's game offerings at $60 USD for the amount of time/content you get out of them so them embracing the $70 USD trend feels bad. Physical gamers are especially getting bent over a barrel here, though honestly the physical pricing being higher than digital doesn't surprise me given that cartridges are more expensive than disks. With Switch 1 they offered coins that served as some form of cash back on games for future digital purchases, getting 1% back on physical games and 5% back on digital purchases.
It looks like it's actually $80 for digital, $90 for physical.
imagine not pirating... truly unthinkable
I'll buy shit to support devs, but 90$ base price is too fucking much for me.
yeah 90$ for just the BASE GAME is NUTS
and that's just the BASE game, not including DLC or expansions which could be half of that amount
not to mention Nintendo is going full EA on game ownership
Nintendo will also be putting the games upgrade on S2 hardware behind a paywall.
yeah i heard the rumor, 20$ per game last i heard
it would be pretty insane if they try to pull this off, its more likely the console will bomb in sales much like the Xbox One did when it had mandatory online and Kinect
Especially since Nintendo doesn't do price drops like other developers.
Unless it's to drop the price of the 3DS by 32% from release price because almost nobody was buying it ( and the massively lowered price made it one of the most successful ''console line'' ever ).
Same, supporting developers if they're not trying to reciprocate is just going to lose consumer loyalty. $90 USD is bonkers.
Oh dear...
rofl, 'catridges are more expensive than disks'.
Like ten cents? Twenty cents?
Yeah, there's no reason for a modern cartridge to be anything more than a thumb drive with a proprietary port.
Orders of magnitude.
Discs cost pennies apiece to manufacture. There's a reason you could buy a spindle of blank CDs or DVDs for a few bucks.
Blank thumb drives, at the lowest of the low end, cost dollars to manufacture.
Custom media with custom software installed adds yet more time and complexity that also increase the cost.
That's also ignoring all of the other packaging.
It might not be $10 but it's probably not far off.
Surprised that a statement this dumb would be made on what should be a nominally tech-aware board, but oh well.
The suggestion was that prices have been falling ever since and the flash memory cards they've been using (32 gb) must cost pennies by now.
There's a 5pack of 32gb SD cards at my local Walmart for $11
What a time to be alive.
I'm still fairly young but this would have blown my mind in high school.
It still weirds me out how big everything has gotten. I grew up in an era when 100 megabytes was an absurdly massive game. FMVs and streamed audio were luxuries only made possible by CDs, which were slow as shit.
Now a 32 gig SD card is the size of a fingernail and you throw it away because it's too small to be worth using.
32? I bought a 250gb micro and still buy cheap phones that retain microsd slots, that was years ago. There are 2 TERABYTE microsd cards out now. On a fingernail sized wafer.
Unfortunately modern software devs are barely literate monkeys compared to the OGs, using chinese slop game engines and not even knowing what optimization means.
Aye. The whole cartridges are expensive thing will probably be an excuse that will carry publishers through rising prices for a while.
It's a lie. They want to push you to digital to kill used game sales. That's the same reason they lock content behind a "season pass" or similar nonsense, so it doesn't follow the sale of the media and the new owner has to purchase it themself.
I bet MS and Sony drop discs entirely on their next consoles. Which sucks, because they double as Blu-ray players, so it's one less thing to buy.
Correct. According to this leak, some Switch 2 cartridges are going to be license checks, allowing you to download the game. The game isn't on the cartridge.
Absolute shyte.
Main reason I bought a Switch was for games on the carts; I don't have to worry about them not loading if my internet goes out.
A Switch 2 where the games are on carts just as a licence check is peak clown world in gaming. So 70 quid for a game that doesn't even come on the actual cart? Pure bollocks.
Nintendo cartridges having the game on them was the whole selling point for me.
If some cartridges will be license keys instead, that opens the door to a 'bait and switch' and makes me hold my nose in disgust.
Yup, right there with you.
Nearly my entire Switch library is on cart. I really learned to appreciate that given I don't have to deal with compromised online accounts or any of that silliness if/when I want to play. Having licence keys for the games on carts means all the games have to be tied to an online account. Ugh.
Why in god's name not? The fuck is the point of even offering cartridges if they're just glorified download keys? Get the fuck out of here with that shit.
I guess I'll continue to play Nintendo titles on PC or not at all then.
https://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/68415/~/nintendo-switch%26nbsp%3B2-game-key-card-overview It ain't a leak. Nintendo is open about it.
It was already crazy expensive to play games on the Switch ( Nintendo dosen't do large discounts like Steam ).
With the anounced Switch2 games prices in the US, I expect the games to cost between CAD$70 et CAD$130, + DLCs.
The console itself ( no game no SD Express card ) is CAD$710 with taxes.
Who is this priced for?
People are idiots.
The game carts are empty, except for a game key. All games are now download only, with a fancy DRM version of code-on-card.
It wouldn't be surprising to me if the codes then get locked to the console and used games will now be a thing of the past.
Nintendo was the one to break the download-only cease-fire in the console space. Never let the fanboys forget this one.
What? Xbone and ps4 did years ago. Last time I looked at a retarded clown box I tried out one of the gay 343 halos and it required a 100gb download to play the game, the discs have been download keys for a while. That was several years ago.
When I would buy consoles, I would generally not connect them to internet. This was to prevent a cool exploit being discovered that I wouldn't be able to try because it would have auto-patched.
At least with the games I thought I might enjoy and purchased, being disconnected meant they couldn't detect an update was required and would still run. That said, my style of game hasn't been AAA bugfests for quite a while. Sometimes they would beg and whine that I should join PSN or something like that but they're dismissable.
(full disclosure: I don't remember the console exactly, but I do recall getting a system update baked into a game that installed itself anyway, despite being perpetually disconnected, so discretion is still advised.)
$80+ per game for more recycled IP, now on PS4-level hardware. Plus you get to pay extra for modernization patches for all your old Switch 1 games, which will probably never be discounted since they are now officially “next gen”. Don’t forget all-new forms of DRM disguised as retarded features no one asked for. And to top it all off, a new quasi bloodborne game once again locked to an underpowered console.
This is peak slop. Nintendo fanboys will lap it up. I’ve seen real life people defending charging money for simple FPS and resolution unlocks on Switch 1 games because it’s “technically new content, so you shouldn’t expect it to be free”. But hey, these are the people who still pay to access the internet on hardware they already own. Console gamers have brain damage.
Pirat_Nation (like him or not) raised a point recently about how the casual piracy culture of the Napster/Limewire eras have turned into feverish corporate dick-sucking.
If anything, modern concepts of "you don't own it software as a service" already make the case that piracy IS the moral and ethical option.
I don't think anti-piracy messaging has been that effective (certainly not more than anti-drug messaging), so I do think there's a connection between the modern day virtues of obedience and boot-licking, particularly by NPCs, and slop like you describe.
Every time, I'll think back about this one parody in IT Crowd https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg
That open world Donkey Kong game looks awesome. Like playing a cartoony Incredible Hulk. Monke smash!
I loved playing Bowser in his Inside Journey and that brief moment in Odyssey for that reason. Wall in your way? Smash. Unbreakable block? Ha ha, unbreakable. That is funny. Locked door? Pfft.
Nintendo signed it's own "pirate everything we sell" poster when they copied the "pay us a subscription to use your own internet to play peer to peer games" business model. Nintendo was never pro-consumer, they were just slow to adopt new tactics.
There are only 2 games I'll even bother emulating for the switch.
Didn't the Xbox 360 start that in the first place?
Yes, and it was cancer.
I bought the Switch for Xenoblade 2, that was a huge disappointment. They censored the shit out of Xenoblade 3's character designs. So I'm definitely not getting a Switch 2.
Fucking Bloodborn 2 being an exclusive to it is a bit of a knife to the gut.
It’s PvPvE, so I’m not sure we’re missing much. Fromsoft leaning almost entirely into multiplayer is honestly a bizarre decision at this point. It’s like they’re arriving at the “Fortnite” eureka ten years after every western dev has already tried and failed. And this is after ten years of Fromsoft succeeding largely by going against the grain.
Relying on Nintendo for a smooth online experience is a borderline punishment. God I hope they get it working well.
I’m surprised they’re doing it before Nightrein comes out, if that’s a train wreck you’ve already sunk a good amount of money into this other PvPvE game.
If it's any consolation, emulation is inevitable. Just wait a bit and you'll have it on PC.
Same happened to me when they stole Bayonetta
Bayonetta happened because Platinum Games was about to go bankrupt and Nintendo bankrolled Bayonetta 2’s development.
I give it 1 year before Switch 2 is fully operational on emulators
its definitely going to be a test of patience considering bloodborne sequel is something i've been yearning for over a decade
It is gonna be such a strange bitter sweet feeling when playing it. It's clearly a body snatcher wearing a Bloodborne skin suit. They had to rip themselves off because Sony refused to get off their fucking ass and just give people what they want for a change.
Yeah the fact sony kept the game hostage for over a decade and STILL refuse to release it on other platforms while releasing Ghost of Tsushima literally 5 years after release is mind numbing
its almost like they keep it out of spite, because if you remember originally Sony did not like FROMSOFT and their PS3 title got little to no marketing because its a "niche title that caters to a small niche audience" (Demon's souls)
but then the souls franchise took off, and then PS4 came around the corner and they needed an edge over Microsoft, so they practically BEGGED them to make an exclusive and even offered to fund and develop the game together
the result? millions bought the PS4 PURELY because of bloodborne (and i was one of them unfortunately)
Sony marketed the game everywhere back in 2015, and it was a MASSIVE success, yet they always resented it for some reason
With taxes $712 CAD for the console : no game, no MicroSD Express ( so you can't use your regular MicroSD cards ), so I assume the games will cost $100 - $140
The ''Upgrade'' for Switch1 games on the S2 are not free. You have to pay in get the improved FPS and functionalities that should have been in the S1 version anyway ( aside from hardware limitation ).
So are people going to pay ~CAD$800 for the cost of entry with one game?
I hope not. May this flop as hard as the Nintendo 3DS launch price release. ( which they then cut down by 32% )
I’m optimistic about a few things. I’m hoping the new 3D Donkey Kong means Nintendo is finally going to start investing in series that aren’t Mario or Zelda.
Duskbloods could be great. Unfortunately Fromsoft becoming more mainstream was inevitable, but I don’t hate this direction, I’ll have to see how autistic and intrusive the multiplayer is in this. Pretty clear now that Nightreign is going to be a proving ground for this idea.
People seem to be kind of upset over The Duskbloods, given that it's Fromsoft trying to seemingly hop on an outdated trend (Not certain if it's a battle royale just yet, but people seem to be more upset by games as a service as time goes on).
We'll see how it plays out.
I guess it will all depend on how much you can do offline, best case scenario it’s Bloodborne 2 with a few more multiplayer elements. I like what I’ve seen from the art direction and gameplay so far, my hope is it’s the Dark Souls to Bloodborne’s Demon’s Souls.
I think the response to Nightreign will also shape it for better or worse. In any case anything that keeps Fromsoft from being bought by Sony is good in my book.
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Tried to fix it.
No OLED, no buy.
I watched the whole stream now. It was Grim. Atleast daemon x machina is alive.
Daemon x machina was mediocre. It was only even mildly succesful when it was new because mech fans were literally starving. Not that we're doing much better now but I have low expectations for any future games in that franchise.
Waiting for the translucent version.