I'm just wondering how Lefties can function day to day when they've proven themselves to have absolutely no theory of mind. They cannot wrap their head around why anyone opposes them, so to them it must just be solely for the sake of oppression and control. Why else would someone not agree with all their wonderful ideas?
By lying as naturally as they breathe. The day some mad scientist spreads nanomachines that cause physical pain while knowingly lie is the day we'll know peace.
Everything you said is true but only if lies are consistently reinforced by an overbearing structure that encompasses everyone all the time. What happens when said overbearing structure loses it's ability to maintain control over the narrative? You get the fall of USSR and communism in Europe. Sure, there will be those who will hold onto dogma no matter what, but they are not going to live forever and their dogma will follow them to the grave.
The modern world made it too easy for some of these numbskulls to survive. They don't think, their social media feed does it for them. They would not be able to some 80 years ago.
One of the realizations that makes the world click sharply into focus is that the vast majority of people are automatons. Meat robots, going about their daily routine by rote, with no internal monologue, and no logic behind what they do.
The problem is perception and critical thinking. "The man in the TV said right-wing ideology is nootzie fascismus. Therefore everyone on the right is a Hitler-Putin."
To those that believe the messaging, the right can only be seen as authoritarian, and moreover, will always be portrayed as less ethical regardless of how tyrannical the message from the left becomes.
the right is necessarily authoritarian because if you have no authority you can not enforce a single thing.
"but trump is cutting government!"
he's cutting parts of the govt he doesn't like (or those which are pushing the populace too hard and could put the whole charade in jeopardy) with all his authority, which he's also using to try to reinforce american hegemony on the world for his handlers. if he was truly "not authoritarian" he would, like all libertarians, immediately be taken over by someone else who is okay with having authority.
this is all a moot point and stupid to talk about though. trump is as left-wing as Insert Popular Left-Wing Figure Here when it comes to loving israel, h1b indians, and cultural hedonism.
But being authoritarian doesn't mean having authority; it's the over-application of authority. I would argue that the left is more authoritarian than the right.
Leftists who are Statists invariably plug the state into that God-shaped hole they're trying to ignore. From there, you get moral busybodies (in CS Lewis' tyranical sense) who will appeal to the authority of the state for every political end, because the state has become their God.
Absolutely, yes. They will also use the authority of the state in the pursuit of ideological ends, as we are seeing with court orders regarding child gender surgery.
Even if we give in to the premise as true, which is lol, woke is just authoritarianism but instead of you getting control, you are fighting to give the power to the negro down the road.
Its pretty easy to see why people, if given the assumed option between the two, would go for the one that gives them the reins.
It's probably why actual Nazism is slowly on the rise, because White Zoomers are going "Wait so I have three choices, one in which I advocate for freedom and communists and negroes use that freedom to murder me, one in which I live under authoritarianism but it's EU-style where it's used solely to protect communists and negroes so they can murder me, or I can have Hitler-style authoritarianism where I suffer authoritarianism just as bad as I would in the UK, but I can also leave my bike unlocked for more than thirty seconds?"
The Right did drive voters to the Left on a couple of occasions, but it's typically not normal since the actual conservative right hasn't had real institutional power in the US since Warren G. Harding was president.
A lot of people were driven to the Left when the right Neo-Conservative War Adventurism. To be clear, the Republican Party was framed as the pro-war party in the 2000's, but really hadn't been 'pro-war' since the Progressive Era under Theodore Roosevelt. Although establishment Democrats had started countless wars and military incursions, they basically ignored their own history and just repeated that they were anti-war because of Vietnam. Truth is, in Vietnam, they weren't anti-War; they were just pro-NVA and pro-Viet-Minh because they supported Socialism and Communism.
Evangelism of the 2000's also didn't help because their religious authoritarianism was always fundamentally ignorant. Yes, they were right about transgenderism getting worse. They were not right about video games making kids school shooters. They were not right that Abstinence Only education works. They were not right that Pokemon was literally demonic. They were not right to claim that the Televangelists and Church were legitimate moral arbiters. The Evangelical movement didn't just fail, it destroyed itself with hypocrisy and lies that most of the people in the movement couldn't tolerate. The remnants of those political institutions are explicitly anti-MAGA, anti-Trump, and anti-Populist. Although statistics suggest that more Americans are becoming more religious and spiritual, their church attendance and trust in the church as an institution keeps falling. It should be obvious why when the Catholic church is lead by a dedicated Liberation Theologist Communist in Rome, and is institutionally split in the US; while the Protestant churches are flying Progress Flags while worshiping George Floydd as a saint; while the Black Baptist churches pushing for Kamala Harris; while White Evangelical churches refuse to endorse Trump.
Most of the other times that the right is alleged to have 'pushed people Left' is usually just propaganda from the Left to cover-up genuine right-wing blowbacks against Leftist aggression. They call them "Red Scares".
Republican politicians are swamp beings just like Democrats. The republican party is endlessly lambasted and ridiculed because most of it's support are white people. Whites must be destroyed, and now we can see our political representation has been destroyed and turned into some sort of rainbow coalition of based non whites.
Worse, White political representation absolutely exists, and it's why Trump has reached his absolute limit among white supporters. Some 40% of Whites actively support the Democratic Party and everything that's been happening. Worse, some of the most White and Anglo states in the Union are explicitly Leftist like Massachusettes, Rhode Island, Maine, Vermont, and Connecticut.
Nationally, whites are the majority voters of the republican party, far more than any other demographic. Those states having substantial dem support from whites is still a minority opinion, nationally.
Yes, but it doesn't change the fact that there are whites being represented. Typically of the Blue Haired Tranny variety, the Hamas supporters, and the cuckolds.
Abstinence Only Education certainly works when you don't have a bunch of faggots pushing children to have sex nor a bunch of feminists pushing the sexual revolution
A lot of people were driven to the Left when the right Neo-Conservative War Adventurism. To be clear, the Republican Party was framed as the pro-war party in the 2000's, but really hadn't been 'pro-war' since the Progressive Era under Theodore Roosevelt. Although establishment Democrats had started countless wars and military incursions, they basically ignored their own history and just repeated that they were anti-war because of Vietnam. Truth is, in Vietnam, they weren't anti-War; they were just pro-NVA and pro-Viet-Minh because they supported Socialism and Communism.
Also worth pointing out that the 2000s pro-war stance was entirely because of the retarded fuckup that was Iraq. America was hugely united over rooting out the Taliban from Afghanistan.
That always shocked me. "Why are we in Afghanistan?"
"What, you don't remember 8 years ago?!!"
We were at war with the Taliban because of Al-Qaeda. Depending on how the Taliban rule the country, it will be interesting to see if the very early discussions of "Could we have gotten some component of the Taliban to give us Al-Qaeda?" may finally get a real answer.
Barring that hypothetical it always grinds my gears when people say the US "lost" to the Taliban. Not really, the US just never bothered to win. The combined non-nuclear firepower of the United States Armed Forces would've been sufficient to track down and kill every single Afghan in only a few years.
Instead we spent all our time passing out hugs and building those inbred savages infrastructure they can never maintain and a 'democracy' they (correctly) recognize is retarded.
It's not much different from "losing" Vietnam, where even though we had a 10:1 kill ratio, we still 'lost' because of clownworld retard shit like "those aircraft that just bombed us are flying over the border to Cambodia, you have to let them go". Operation Linebacker II showed what could've happened if the US decided to actually stop the NVA, just turn Hanoi into a pile of rubble filled with the twisted remains of gooks.
For a little refresher, fucking Lyndon Johnson agreed to stop bombing North Vietnam as early as 1968 and wouldn't commit to fuck-all because 'muh diplomacy muh peace negotiations'. It wasn't until 1972 with Linebacker I that they resumed strikes. Holy fuck it's amazing how genuinely trash American political leadership has been.
They don't want to know the reasons. For the lefty, there are no reasons, there is no such thing as values. There is only power dynamics and manifestation. Translating this question into common tongue would be something like "What magic words did the republicans use to win? Why didn't our words win?"
Which we saw play out in reality with the left's retarded attempts to create things like 'Warren's Meme Team' and trying to copy Trump's podcast success by going on shit like 'Call Her Daddy'.
I keep hearing that the Democrats "drove voters to the right" because of "woke ideology" (which I don't believe; I just hear a lot).
This person seems so afraid that their fellow redditors might suspect that they acknowledge that woke politics has driven people away that they have to repeatedly emphasize that's not the case so they don't get dogpiled. This post is an example of why Democrats have turned voters away.
I ran across that thread on my way to checking on how badly Star Citizen has screwed people this month and my morbid curiosity took over. That thread is absolutely delusional.
If we take his premise at face value, based on how Redditors see things:
It's because "authoritarianism" isn't actually a bad thing, and most people support it to 'some' degree. Authoritarianism is a spectrum, obviously. On one extreme end you have a completely lawless post-apocalyptic Mad Max anarchy, on the other extreme you have Equilibrium where if you don't take your emotion-deadening pills, Christian Bale shows up to murder everyone.
People like to live in societies that have rules and structures because most people are smart enough to see that that's how things work best. Free societies are balancing the rights of the people against the need for society to limit those rights.
It's why Lolbertism has fallen out of style on the right, because those of us who aren't retarded realize how fucking dumb it is to say "I don't agree with what you say, but will defend to death your right to say it" to someone who literally wants us dead anyway.
I was just commenting on some dumb fuck leftists post, pointing out the irony of how leftists cry rivers about college student visa holders getting deported for supporting Palestinians (which I also oppose), while at the same time leftists do everything in their power to destroy the lives of any one who openly opposes leftist views. I said you either support free speech or you don’t, and you clearly don’t. The one response I got other than coping laugh reacts was this: “the social consequences of speaking unpopular views is a lot different than having a president persecute people over a constitutionally protected right.” I said, first off, you and this government are both tyrants who would gladly imprison anyone who espouses “wrong-think”, so let’s not pretend your anger is about government overreach, when your anger is purely a result of your side being persecuted by government for the first time ever.
I was surprised I even got that one response.
I said you either support free speech or you don’t, and you clearly don’t.
If you put weaponry in the hands of terrorists, you are a terrorist.
Therefore:
If you put speech in the mouths of communists, you are a communist.
Libertarians >ARE< Marxist communists. That's the only explanation for their retarded beliefs, every single one of which literally supports communism. They support the John Brown Gun Club, they support Black Lives Matter, they support literal billions of illiterate murderous subhumans flooding across the border, and they believe clownish faggotry like "muh undocumented disabled black trans queer neighbors defending their opium farm with machine guns", with nearly every fucking word in that sentence literally being things communists support.
If you find yourself on the side of communists more often than you are not, you are a communist. And the only proven solution to communism is the total liquidation of all communists, and to do that, it requires you to first acknowledge that merely thinking communist thoughts is enough of a reason.
I don’t support precedent being set that will lead actual Americans to a prison cell for talking about the jewish problem. That’s the entire point of going after visa holders right now, they know the right won’t push back against it until the precedent is already set, and then we are going to have a serious problem. But yeah, as far as leftists go, they need to be silenced whenever possible, sadly, even with Trump in office, the government isn’t truly run by the right, nor is mass media (social media included), so it’s kind of difficult for the right to direct the censorship at leftists regardless of how you or I feel about it.
The GOP is garbage but their authoritarianism isn't one of the reasons. Establishment GOP is unprincipled, uncaring faggotry engineered to fill their wallets with money.
I'm just wondering how Lefties can function day to day when they've proven themselves to have absolutely no theory of mind. They cannot wrap their head around why anyone opposes them, so to them it must just be solely for the sake of oppression and control. Why else would someone not agree with all their wonderful ideas?
You're being too charitable. They're just projecting as always.
By lying as naturally as they breathe. The day some mad scientist spreads nanomachines that cause physical pain while knowingly lie is the day we'll know peace.
Everything you said is true but only if lies are consistently reinforced by an overbearing structure that encompasses everyone all the time. What happens when said overbearing structure loses it's ability to maintain control over the narrative? You get the fall of USSR and communism in Europe. Sure, there will be those who will hold onto dogma no matter what, but they are not going to live forever and their dogma will follow them to the grave.
The modern world made it too easy for some of these numbskulls to survive. They don't think, their social media feed does it for them. They would not be able to some 80 years ago.
The TV told them so.
One of the realizations that makes the world click sharply into focus is that the vast majority of people are automatons. Meat robots, going about their daily routine by rote, with no internal monologue, and no logic behind what they do.
The problem is perception and critical thinking. "The man in the TV said right-wing ideology is nootzie fascismus. Therefore everyone on the right is a Hitler-Putin."
To those that believe the messaging, the right can only be seen as authoritarian, and moreover, will always be portrayed as less ethical regardless of how tyrannical the message from the left becomes.
the right is necessarily authoritarian because if you have no authority you can not enforce a single thing.
"but trump is cutting government!"
he's cutting parts of the govt he doesn't like (or those which are pushing the populace too hard and could put the whole charade in jeopardy) with all his authority, which he's also using to try to reinforce american hegemony on the world for his handlers. if he was truly "not authoritarian" he would, like all libertarians, immediately be taken over by someone else who is okay with having authority.
this is all a moot point and stupid to talk about though. trump is as left-wing as Insert Popular Left-Wing Figure Here when it comes to loving israel, h1b indians, and cultural hedonism.
You've got a great point at the end.
But being authoritarian doesn't mean having authority; it's the over-application of authority. I would argue that the left is more authoritarian than the right.
Leftists who are Statists invariably plug the state into that God-shaped hole they're trying to ignore. From there, you get moral busybodies (in CS Lewis' tyranical sense) who will appeal to the authority of the state for every political end, because the state has become their God.
Absolutely, yes. They will also use the authority of the state in the pursuit of ideological ends, as we are seeing with court orders regarding child gender surgery.
Even if we give in to the premise as true, which is lol, woke is just authoritarianism but instead of you getting control, you are fighting to give the power to the negro down the road.
Its pretty easy to see why people, if given the assumed option between the two, would go for the one that gives them the reins.
It's probably why actual Nazism is slowly on the rise, because White Zoomers are going "Wait so I have three choices, one in which I advocate for freedom and communists and negroes use that freedom to murder me, one in which I live under authoritarianism but it's EU-style where it's used solely to protect communists and negroes so they can murder me, or I can have Hitler-style authoritarianism where I suffer authoritarianism just as bad as I would in the UK, but I can also leave my bike unlocked for more than thirty seconds?"
The Right did drive voters to the Left on a couple of occasions, but it's typically not normal since the actual conservative right hasn't had real institutional power in the US since Warren G. Harding was president.
A lot of people were driven to the Left when the right Neo-Conservative War Adventurism. To be clear, the Republican Party was framed as the pro-war party in the 2000's, but really hadn't been 'pro-war' since the Progressive Era under Theodore Roosevelt. Although establishment Democrats had started countless wars and military incursions, they basically ignored their own history and just repeated that they were anti-war because of Vietnam. Truth is, in Vietnam, they weren't anti-War; they were just pro-NVA and pro-Viet-Minh because they supported Socialism and Communism.
Evangelism of the 2000's also didn't help because their religious authoritarianism was always fundamentally ignorant. Yes, they were right about transgenderism getting worse. They were not right about video games making kids school shooters. They were not right that Abstinence Only education works. They were not right that Pokemon was literally demonic. They were not right to claim that the Televangelists and Church were legitimate moral arbiters. The Evangelical movement didn't just fail, it destroyed itself with hypocrisy and lies that most of the people in the movement couldn't tolerate. The remnants of those political institutions are explicitly anti-MAGA, anti-Trump, and anti-Populist. Although statistics suggest that more Americans are becoming more religious and spiritual, their church attendance and trust in the church as an institution keeps falling. It should be obvious why when the Catholic church is lead by a dedicated Liberation Theologist Communist in Rome, and is institutionally split in the US; while the Protestant churches are flying Progress Flags while worshiping George Floydd as a saint; while the Black Baptist churches pushing for Kamala Harris; while White Evangelical churches refuse to endorse Trump.
Most of the other times that the right is alleged to have 'pushed people Left' is usually just propaganda from the Left to cover-up genuine right-wing blowbacks against Leftist aggression. They call them "Red Scares".
Republican politicians are swamp beings just like Democrats. The republican party is endlessly lambasted and ridiculed because most of it's support are white people. Whites must be destroyed, and now we can see our political representation has been destroyed and turned into some sort of rainbow coalition of based non whites.
That doesn't address anything I said.
Worse, White political representation absolutely exists, and it's why Trump has reached his absolute limit among white supporters. Some 40% of Whites actively support the Democratic Party and everything that's been happening. Worse, some of the most White and Anglo states in the Union are explicitly Leftist like Massachusettes, Rhode Island, Maine, Vermont, and Connecticut.
Nationally, whites are the majority voters of the republican party, far more than any other demographic. Those states having substantial dem support from whites is still a minority opinion, nationally.
Yes, but it doesn't change the fact that there are whites being represented. Typically of the Blue Haired Tranny variety, the Hamas supporters, and the cuckolds.
Abstinence Only Education certainly works when you don't have a bunch of faggots pushing children to have sex nor a bunch of feminists pushing the sexual revolution
It literally never worked because 16 year olds wanted to have sex, and the church had already lost the culture war for their own kids.
Also worth pointing out that the 2000s pro-war stance was entirely because of the retarded fuckup that was Iraq. America was hugely united over rooting out the Taliban from Afghanistan.
That always shocked me. "Why are we in Afghanistan?"
"What, you don't remember 8 years ago?!!"
We were at war with the Taliban because of Al-Qaeda. Depending on how the Taliban rule the country, it will be interesting to see if the very early discussions of "Could we have gotten some component of the Taliban to give us Al-Qaeda?" may finally get a real answer.
Barring that hypothetical it always grinds my gears when people say the US "lost" to the Taliban. Not really, the US just never bothered to win. The combined non-nuclear firepower of the United States Armed Forces would've been sufficient to track down and kill every single Afghan in only a few years.
Instead we spent all our time passing out hugs and building those inbred savages infrastructure they can never maintain and a 'democracy' they (correctly) recognize is retarded.
It's not much different from "losing" Vietnam, where even though we had a 10:1 kill ratio, we still 'lost' because of clownworld retard shit like "those aircraft that just bombed us are flying over the border to Cambodia, you have to let them go". Operation Linebacker II showed what could've happened if the US decided to actually stop the NVA, just turn Hanoi into a pile of rubble filled with the twisted remains of gooks.
For a little refresher, fucking Lyndon Johnson agreed to stop bombing North Vietnam as early as 1968 and wouldn't commit to fuck-all because 'muh diplomacy muh peace negotiations'. It wasn't until 1972 with Linebacker I that they resumed strikes. Holy fuck it's amazing how genuinely trash American political leadership has been.
Trash? They've done their jobs perfectly: Wasting White lives, time and money.
They don't want to know the reasons. For the lefty, there are no reasons, there is no such thing as values. There is only power dynamics and manifestation. Translating this question into common tongue would be something like "What magic words did the republicans use to win? Why didn't our words win?"
Which we saw play out in reality with the left's retarded attempts to create things like 'Warren's Meme Team' and trying to copy Trump's podcast success by going on shit like 'Call Her Daddy'.
This person seems so afraid that their fellow redditors might suspect that they acknowledge that woke politics has driven people away that they have to repeatedly emphasize that's not the case so they don't get dogpiled. This post is an example of why Democrats have turned voters away.
I ran across that thread on my way to checking on how badly Star Citizen has screwed people this month and my morbid curiosity took over. That thread is absolutely delusional.
If we take his premise at face value, based on how Redditors see things:
It's because "authoritarianism" isn't actually a bad thing, and most people support it to 'some' degree. Authoritarianism is a spectrum, obviously. On one extreme end you have a completely lawless post-apocalyptic Mad Max anarchy, on the other extreme you have Equilibrium where if you don't take your emotion-deadening pills, Christian Bale shows up to murder everyone.
People like to live in societies that have rules and structures because most people are smart enough to see that that's how things work best. Free societies are balancing the rights of the people against the need for society to limit those rights.
It's why Lolbertism has fallen out of style on the right, because those of us who aren't retarded realize how fucking dumb it is to say "I don't agree with what you say, but will defend to death your right to say it" to someone who literally wants us dead anyway.
I was just commenting on some dumb fuck leftists post, pointing out the irony of how leftists cry rivers about college student visa holders getting deported for supporting Palestinians (which I also oppose), while at the same time leftists do everything in their power to destroy the lives of any one who openly opposes leftist views. I said you either support free speech or you don’t, and you clearly don’t. The one response I got other than coping laugh reacts was this: “the social consequences of speaking unpopular views is a lot different than having a president persecute people over a constitutionally protected right.” I said, first off, you and this government are both tyrants who would gladly imprison anyone who espouses “wrong-think”, so let’s not pretend your anger is about government overreach, when your anger is purely a result of your side being persecuted by government for the first time ever. I was surprised I even got that one response.
If you put weaponry in the hands of terrorists, you are a terrorist.
Therefore:
If you put speech in the mouths of communists, you are a communist.
Libertarians >ARE< Marxist communists. That's the only explanation for their retarded beliefs, every single one of which literally supports communism. They support the John Brown Gun Club, they support Black Lives Matter, they support literal billions of illiterate murderous subhumans flooding across the border, and they believe clownish faggotry like "muh undocumented disabled black trans queer neighbors defending their opium farm with machine guns", with nearly every fucking word in that sentence literally being things communists support.
If you find yourself on the side of communists more often than you are not, you are a communist. And the only proven solution to communism is the total liquidation of all communists, and to do that, it requires you to first acknowledge that merely thinking communist thoughts is enough of a reason.
I don’t support precedent being set that will lead actual Americans to a prison cell for talking about the jewish problem. That’s the entire point of going after visa holders right now, they know the right won’t push back against it until the precedent is already set, and then we are going to have a serious problem. But yeah, as far as leftists go, they need to be silenced whenever possible, sadly, even with Trump in office, the government isn’t truly run by the right, nor is mass media (social media included), so it’s kind of difficult for the right to direct the censorship at leftists regardless of how you or I feel about it.
Classic leftist pretending wokeness isn't a real thing while it's his life mission.
They already do.
Wait and see what our isreal policy gets us.
They do, quite reguarly in fact. The GOP is garbage and one of the reasons I dont vote.
The GOP is garbage and one of the reasons I dont vote, but they'd never "drive me to the left."
Join your local GOP and change it from the inside. Even a couple MAGA voters at your local level is enough to tip the scales in the MAGA direction.
That goon isn't MAGA, he's a wehraboo IIRC.
The GOP is garbage but their authoritarianism isn't one of the reasons. Establishment GOP is unprincipled, uncaring faggotry engineered to fill their wallets with money.