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Vote with your wallet. We're starting to see that's starting to work.
Sadly not with Kingdom Come 2. They were being mega sneaky with this one and I honestly think they will adopt this approach..
BG3 and KCD2 are basically the new poster children for being woke while dividing the core audience. They're the new gateway archetypes for getting normies to accept wokeness in all its forms: faggotry, niggertry, cukdoldry, the works.
Now that they have a pattern of success, expect more studios to adopt this method after the next slate of slop fails (i.e., the upcoming Naughty Dog and Xbox games filled with overt wokeness).
I honestly think these games are dangerous. They're competently made and thus a good use for propaganda.
Exactly. It's successful propaganda and I see a lot of people supporting it.
to paraphrase what Rockwell said, if our enemy is in the movies, we must be in the movies, if our enemy is in the comic books, we must be in the comic books...
i'm doing what i can, but we need real countercultural game studios popping up left and right, and they have to really compete with these monsters, not just make Kyle Rittenhouse and Jesus Kill The SJWs 2.
The woke virus has evolved. Pure wokeness cannot survive as real talent is pushed away for DEI points and you get disasters like Dustborn or female Ghostbisters. It's like a very aggressive virus killing the host too soon.
So the best is the SBI model. Slither into an existing successful system and layer woke on top of the nearly finished product like dropping a turd in the punchbowl. It's why a lot of great shows have an amazing first season then go woke as shit when renewed.
Last of Us 2 was a well designed game in terms of mechanics, set pieces, etc. which mostly was utilizing the first games systems with some improvements. But the wokeness was hamfisted in the story and characters (take a most likely male character and slap a female head on it, add lesbian romance, etc)
They've been sneaky woke for decades. Across shows, movies and games. Last generation it was mostly the grrlboss feminist trope funpolicing a male-lead franchise, but she at least had to be hot for it to work. Now if we only get the grrlboss trope it's almost a relief, which is part of the formula. Two steps forward, one step back is not a win.
That'll work once, maybe twice per franchise/studio.
Make one great game, follow it up with shit, and people will give up on the series.
It won't matter. Gamers are experts at pattern recognition. They will see through it and stop buying their shit. That's a scam that will quickly lose its effectiveness.
THIS IS THE ONLY RIGHT ANSWER
This is the only real voice and vote we have today. Memes are fine, but they survive on our money.
Starve them! Tell your friends not to buy their crap. Mock anyone who does.
Yeah at least the one bottom left is the self-insert of a troon DEI hire, so not a female.
Top left I don't know but tht looks like a male too... Wait they all looke like males.
What are you talking about? Literally ALL of the creatures on the Left are troons!
I'd honestly not have women in most of them at all. Especially not heavy fanservice type in the majority. Of course I'll pick the hot ones over the ugly ones if I must have a woman, but otherwise I'd like there to be plenty options like Gears of War where its just men being men without them.
I'm all for pushing back against the Woke in every way, but I don't want that to end up with Stellar Blade being every single game either. Its a fine game on its own, but we don't need gaming to became the Chinese/Korean gacha market where that's everything available.
I get where you're coming from but this isn't a hill you want to commit to. There have been women as part of the medium forever and banishing them entirely is an over correction. You end up eliminating entire swaths of potential tales and experiences to explore. Far better to just return to sanity. Every game being as devoid of women as Gears of War is the exact situation we're currently lamenting, just look at those images on the left.
Jews have been the majority of writers and producers of media since their inception. I feel like people here wouldn't argue in favor of making sure to leave them their space as is tradition.
So is turning most of them into Stellar Blade. You are literally arguing in favor of overcorrecting against the Woke. Just in a manner that you like more.
We have minimal similar to Gears in the current market. Saying this out loud shows you have completely misunderstood my point on a complete level.
Gears (the original trilogy) is a game about machismo manly men being fucking men. There isn't mocking subversion, there isn't a message about gender politics, its tough dudes doing something they couldn't do if women were around. They show their emotions when appropriate and its heavy without fear of judgement. They banter. There is a ridiculous cowboy character who treats his tank as a wife and calls the headlights her titties.
Normally, ideas like "adding a woman to a group completely changes the dynamic even if they don't mean to" is a well understood principle. But I guess when it might get in the way of Gooning and Coomers well now we need diversity and to "explore potential tales and experiences" (I hope you see the irony in using the literal line Wokies use to justify the thing you are pushing against).
I'm a misogynist, that has been my lifelong commitment. I'm not gonna stop being that just because me peepee likey. However is seems most people drop all their ideology and principles if its their preferred porn. The Jewish made porn though? Well just yesterday people were happily saying to make it illegal and jail everyone involved.
I like girl butt but I like solid snakes butt too!
I don't disagree but I also don't advocate for turning everything into Stellar Blade, that would be every bit as retarded as demanding that everything become Gears of War. I think there's room in the medium enough for both to exist and serve their respective audiences. Enforced homogenization of content is not a desirable outcome.
You seem to be fixated on women being solely an addition of pornography while completely missing my point that it's pretty fucking difficult for Mario to go rescue the princess if you ban princesses from even existing within the medium.
You just want to be mad in the other direction rather than fix what was broken.
You may not, but the overwhelming consensus on posts surrounding this discussion is in that manner.
Heck the entire Witcher 4 controversy shows that a pretty normal looking woman has people screaming that she is the most ugly thing in existence that must be fixed, because they truly do want Stellar Blade level characters in everything.
It also undermines the much more retarded Woke decisions regarding W4, like her doing the Trial in the first place and all the lore trampled for that. But that's another issue.
Titillation is literally 3/4 images in this meme. To a point where its clearly the goal because they didn't even line it up with their list which only lists it twice. The 4th image (which I cannot make out what it is, something Samurai), likely just exists to pretend that isn't the case.
Because again, porn bad when the Jews do it, but when its time for gooning then its good. As long as you have plausible deniability that its sticking it to the Wokes, you can balance the hypocrisy.
Half the reason for my position is resistance to the overcorrection that is already being seeded by "our own side."
Mario rescued her just fine without her even being visible until the final screen of the game for most of his original run. So clearly you can.
Heck, I left a gaping hole in my Gears argument because Anya is a major character in the first two games, but her presence is kept to Mission Control which allows her to be useful when she is needed and not there otherwise. Because a woman should never be in a combat position, logically and rationally, and it removes most of the negatives her presence would cause keeping her in that role. Adding her to the Frontlines in the 3rd game is one of the reasons why the story fell apart by focusing hard on relationships and sex with Fenix.
But you didn't pick up on that, so there we go.
Nah, I just hate women. Been a literal misogynist my whole life, and I don't toss aside my beliefs when it benefits me. And so I threw out an offhand opinion that I didn't put a lot of effort into thinking about.
But the longer I am engaged in defending it, the more I feel secure in it now. Because clearly the only argument against it is "well its okay when we do it."
Adam is right.
It was something I was discussing with him a few days ago after the topic came up again in a few separate videos that have been regularly popping up on YouTube. I think there's a channel, AndyPantsGaming or something like that, where he has been lamenting the lack of manly games.
Almost ALL the top comments in that discussion were about Gears of War (especially the first two). And they all mirrored my own thoughts, and the thoughts Adam shared here: we no longer have ANY manly games just for men.
Even Helldivers 2 tries to make sure it's "inclusive", and it avoids any kind of proper storytelling so they can avoid characterisations.
But sadly I just can'\t think of any polished, newer generation, blockbuster games that are just outright unapologetically masculine? I'm not saying this to start anything -- if you actually have suggestions I'm all for it. But it's also why I had to reinstall Gears of War 2.
I've been burning through my back catalogue rather quickly, and have found myself regularly re-circling games like Mad Max, Gears of War, and occasionally I will try to boot up Ghost Recon Wildlands until I remember how much I hate that stupid Tier 1 mode (and unfortunately, there is no further progression outside of that mode).
Games like Vlaidk Brutal are cool and all, but Rus-jank shooters require a mindset to deal with constant jank. High-quality, properly masculine games just do not seem to exist anymore. Even a lot of the boomer shooters -- outside of the Forgive Me Father series -- seem to star female leads.
I honestly can't remember a game with a woman in it earlier than Donkey Kong or one with a playable woman earlier than Metroid.
Didn't you know? The pilot of the plane in River Raid was a brave trans woman.
why is it that "beautiful women" always entails naked and pornographic women? is that true beauty, or does it just exchange physical ugliness for spiritual ugliness?
Because most Western gaming companies have trannies designing "female" characters to look like themselves and most Eastern gaming companies use fanservice/coomerbait to boost their profits. And so "attractive but not super risqué" is sadly rare in games.
"Naked and pornographic" is a shibboleth. It's a gatekeeping strategy, and a good one at that. Sex appeal is like garlic to a vampire for commies. So by putting it everywhere, it is protection from leftist subversion, as they don't want to be associated with it as either a customer or employee.
So I say put DD titties in a string bikini for every single female character until every leftist waste of oxygen is run out of the industry and out of the market.
i beg to differ. it gatekeeps more than you bargain for - many competent men in our circles recognize that pornography and overt sex appeal in media is just a modern method of control that today's less obvious communists use, and hate it for how it corrupts true beauty and for what it does to the minds of our youth and people in general.
by supporting it in this fashion, you come across not as any counterculturalist but just as the pixel-titty equivalent of a libertarian claiming his right to be gay and smoke weed is actually against communism, because it theoretically represents freedom. in truth, being gay, smoking weed, and consuming pornography - these are all equally part of what we know as "cultural marxism".
i would sooner say we simply make good games with good characters in them, and them being easy on the eyes ought be a side-product rather than a goal. what you suggest would simply flip the coin on the other side, and as the ugly-tranny leftists kvetch into obscurity, you will see the likes of Al Goldstein and hordes of OnlyFans prostitutes lining up to create a million titty games, and wonder where you went wrong.
No. I come across as a realist who recognizes that chemotherapy is going to cause a bit of pain before things get better.
Good luck with that. Going back up the slippery slope by ten years is just procrastination. Good games with good characters will just immediately be subverted, and we will be right back to where we are now. The gaming industry will never recover as long as it is infected with cancer.
This taking the moral high ground shit doesn't work. It never has, and it never will. So either start punching back, or shut up and get out of the way of those of us who will.
i do not understand what this is supposed to mean. isn't the purpose of you consuming pornography for you to feel (fake) pleasure?
i do not plan to be subverted. do you?
i believe you have missed my point - you are not punching back, you are doing exactly what leftists want you to do and cheering on the bread and circuses.
The purpose of "pornography" in this instance is to demoralize the puritans who have taken over the industry. And if you think we are going to just trade their flavor of puritanism for yours, you are in for a big surprise.
No. You just want to pretend like the last decade didn't happen, so we can go back to how things were, with no thought about the fact that how things were led directly to how things are.
Leftists want me to support games that they think should be banned or subverted? That wouldn't be very smart of them. And it's a bit ironic, since you are the one here who is advocating for the same thing they are.
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it is here i realize you're speaking from a place of total delusion. just like leftists, you're fighting imaginary ghosts of purity while in truth swimming in the filth you wish to have.
well, may your fears soon come true so that we can actually be rid of all degeneracy, both the overtly satanic kind from the current elite and your more subversive "i just want to jack off to hot chicks" kind.
Yet you agree that they are adamantly against having sex appeal in games, and you are against it as well. You both look pretty puritanical to me.
I'm more concerned with being rid of "hello fellow gamers" controlled opposition like you.
Thanks to the crusade against anything remotely attractive in games, the only ones that don't get hit with the DEI ugly stick are the ones deliberately creating fanservice as the central theme.
I agree, I hate it too.
There are hundreds of subversive messages they are trying to push on you :
White men - always wrong+criminal
Black woman - always the hero + savior
Couples - always a fucking ugly feminist getting a 10/10 model husband
I think the patient gamer attitude works best here.
Just wait 3 to 4 months after every new release before making a purchase.
The truth will come out in time.
Then if you still really want it, and it doesn't have things in you don't like, there's a good chance it'll be on sale by then.
There is no downside to waiting.
Edit: This was meant to be a reply to xbx_x for the vote with your wallet comment.
The characters on the right will live on for decades after they stop making games for it. I mean.. ff7 tifa remained popular 20 years after the original game.
Does japslop even has great stories?
I thought Final Fantasy 10 was good. Metal Gear Solid may overall be convoluted as hell but watching some of the scenes are better done than modern movies.