The entire concept of being sexually attracted to children is revolting, but I find the concept of criminalizing cartoons or AI generated images perplexing.
The whole legal theory behind criminalizing child porn is that the subjects are minors, can't consent, and are therefore victims. AI-generated pictures aren't people and can't be victims.
Barring evidence that viewing fake kiddie porn highly correlates with the person moving on to the real stuff, I'm not seeing the societal benefit to criminalizing this. Yes it's gross and perverted, but that's not the benchmark by which we define what is legal and what is not.
These people are wired wrong, and they can't be fixed, so I'd much rather that they sat in their house satisfying their urges by jerking off to fake kids than messing with real ones.
Look at the comic he drew. He wasn't just a secret deviant, he was using his position to push pro-pedophile propaganda. His comics might not be a crime we can prosecute, but his AI images are.
I'm guessing the Ai was trained off of real-life kid photos? I don't think creating an AI that can take photos of kids and render them into porn is a safe thing. If it was anime shit or something then maybe the argument could be made that its not hurting anyone but if the pictures were based off realistic kids I think that's crossing a line.
I believe that particular case is already illegal, as you can't take a child's face and literally paste it on an adult nude body. Which means the core of the argument is already set up.
I don't think its a foolproof one though, as the company that let the AI be trained on such images would then end up on the hook for something too.
One of the core requirements for society to exist, for humanity to exist, for men and women to be able to pass on their genetics, is to protect our children. The instinct is so strong, because it must be. What benefit is it to society to drop the heaviest hammer imaginable on child predators, on pedophiles, on child porn enjoyed, even if it's AI, is that we can't allow that line to be crossed one inch, and every person who partakes in it must be destroyed, without remorse.
I couldn't care less if the child porn they watch is AI generated. The very fact that they're sexually attracted to kids is an abomination, and must be destroyed. Do not tolerate evil. Destroy it.
You're actively defending pedophiles, people with an aberrant and extremely dangerous mentality. And the reason for your defense of them? Tolerance, and some amorphous concept of "freedom", which you place as the highest virtue, with zero exceptions or requisite responsibilities.
Pedophiles should not, nor ever, be encouraged to just "watch child porn at home" for the "betterment of society", so they don't harm kids in real life. Pedophiles should be executed. Any tendency to pedophilia should be rooted out. Being attracted to kids is an aberration. It does not occur naturally, as there is zero biological reason for it to exist. It only occurs due to rampant porn consumption, free and abundant availability of porn, open degeneracy in society, acceptance of gays, acceptance of hedonism as virtuous, and a never ending pursuit of increasing dopamine hits to assuage the addled minds of the increasingly hedonistic public, inevitably resulting in increasingly degenerate and evil "pleasures" to satisfy that dopamine hit. There's a direct correlation to what's been happening to Western civilization. Even a blind man can see it. Our ancestors didn't need to draw cartoons of child porn to placate the pedophiles that existed in their day, prior to TV, the internet, and freely available porn. Why must we make fictional child porn to placate pedophiles today?
But, you filth defend it. I'm utterly repulsed by the vote totals in this thread.
of criminalizing cartoons or AI generated images perplexing.
Criminals escalate. If you don't stop the small crimes they graduate to larger ones.
I'm not seeing the societal benefit to criminalizing this.
It's the same reason we're pretty harsh about abusing animals. That behavior only leads one direction. It's not worth caring about people who do this and then will stop on their own. The punishment works EITHER WAY.
and they can't be fixed
Yea but they can be so afraid of being put in prison that they keep in their pants all the way into the grave.
Criminals escalate. If you don't stop the small crimes they graduate to larger ones.
Pictures arent crime. No one is being victimized. This kind of logic is how we end up censoring normal sex and violence in media, so it has to be called out.
So I can break into your house and take a naked picture of you and share it without your consent? I mean it's just a picture. What's your problem with it?
No one is being victimized.
Yea, exactly, you didn't even know the picture exists.
This kind of logic is how we end up censoring normal sex and violence in media
Was it hard getting on that high horse?
so it has to be called out.
If you draw naked pictures of children and share them online you are going to jail. And you think this is the moment to "call out" a problem?
This is leftist bullshit. Show me the actual harms here instead a bunch of handwavy excuses to avoid punishments.
When has the legislation "escalated?" It's pretty simple, you can't touch kids inappropriate, can't take naked pictures of them, and you can't draw and then SHARE naked pictures of them.
There's no slippery slope here. More civil damage was done after 9/11 than any of these cases. You're clutching at straws.
The whole legal theory behind criminalizing child porn is that the subjects are minors, can't consent.....
Look, I get it. A fun thought experiment. But then you step back a bit and realize that you are laying the foundational groundwork for the justification for open possession of AI generated super degeneracy. Remind yourself what you are arguing for. You are chewing on a poisoned apple. Just leave it alone. Keep your head holy.
/Don't carry water for your enemies.
//I see a "societal benefit" of it not existing in the first place.
You are chewing on a poisoned apple. Just leave it alone
This line of reasoning equally applies to "don't defend it, let them criminalize thought crimes and things with no legal basis other than they don't like it." Because it never stops at obvious and justified.
Which is why its an actual problem instead of a "fun thought experiment" with an entire Supreme Court case behind it as being 100% legal once.
Are we doing the "meeee, slippery slope" argument?
We are very clearly talking about the creation of images that imitate the appearance of children, designed to produce sexual stimulation and response. A physical recreation. It is not simply a thought crime. It is a clear line.
I dunno, between kidnapping a child to create it and kidnapping an nVidia card to create it...it's the lesser of two evils even if you inevitably hang him on principle.
AI child pornography? Imagine being that much of a predator you have to make your own porn.
Also, of course this guy is the literally anti-right wing stereotype lmao.
The entire concept of being sexually attracted to children is revolting, but I find the concept of criminalizing cartoons or AI generated images perplexing.
The whole legal theory behind criminalizing child porn is that the subjects are minors, can't consent, and are therefore victims. AI-generated pictures aren't people and can't be victims.
Barring evidence that viewing fake kiddie porn highly correlates with the person moving on to the real stuff, I'm not seeing the societal benefit to criminalizing this. Yes it's gross and perverted, but that's not the benchmark by which we define what is legal and what is not.
These people are wired wrong, and they can't be fixed, so I'd much rather that they sat in their house satisfying their urges by jerking off to fake kids than messing with real ones.
Look at the comic he drew. He wasn't just a secret deviant, he was using his position to push pro-pedophile propaganda. His comics might not be a crime we can prosecute, but his AI images are.
I'm guessing the Ai was trained off of real-life kid photos? I don't think creating an AI that can take photos of kids and render them into porn is a safe thing. If it was anime shit or something then maybe the argument could be made that its not hurting anyone but if the pictures were based off realistic kids I think that's crossing a line.
I believe that particular case is already illegal, as you can't take a child's face and literally paste it on an adult nude body. Which means the core of the argument is already set up.
I don't think its a foolproof one though, as the company that let the AI be trained on such images would then end up on the hook for something too.
The benefit to society?
One of the core requirements for society to exist, for humanity to exist, for men and women to be able to pass on their genetics, is to protect our children. The instinct is so strong, because it must be. What benefit is it to society to drop the heaviest hammer imaginable on child predators, on pedophiles, on child porn enjoyed, even if it's AI, is that we can't allow that line to be crossed one inch, and every person who partakes in it must be destroyed, without remorse.
I couldn't care less if the child porn they watch is AI generated. The very fact that they're sexually attracted to kids is an abomination, and must be destroyed. Do not tolerate evil. Destroy it.
Yeah we should scare pedos away from generating fake child porn on PAIN OF DEATH so they are instead encouraged to wife up and have kids of their own!
You people disgust me.
You're actively defending pedophiles, people with an aberrant and extremely dangerous mentality. And the reason for your defense of them? Tolerance, and some amorphous concept of "freedom", which you place as the highest virtue, with zero exceptions or requisite responsibilities.
Pedophiles should not, nor ever, be encouraged to just "watch child porn at home" for the "betterment of society", so they don't harm kids in real life. Pedophiles should be executed. Any tendency to pedophilia should be rooted out. Being attracted to kids is an aberration. It does not occur naturally, as there is zero biological reason for it to exist. It only occurs due to rampant porn consumption, free and abundant availability of porn, open degeneracy in society, acceptance of gays, acceptance of hedonism as virtuous, and a never ending pursuit of increasing dopamine hits to assuage the addled minds of the increasingly hedonistic public, inevitably resulting in increasingly degenerate and evil "pleasures" to satisfy that dopamine hit. There's a direct correlation to what's been happening to Western civilization. Even a blind man can see it. Our ancestors didn't need to draw cartoons of child porn to placate the pedophiles that existed in their day, prior to TV, the internet, and freely available porn. Why must we make fictional child porn to placate pedophiles today?
But, you filth defend it. I'm utterly repulsed by the vote totals in this thread.
Very based.
Criminals escalate. If you don't stop the small crimes they graduate to larger ones.
It's the same reason we're pretty harsh about abusing animals. That behavior only leads one direction. It's not worth caring about people who do this and then will stop on their own. The punishment works EITHER WAY.
Yea but they can be so afraid of being put in prison that they keep in their pants all the way into the grave.
Pictures arent crime. No one is being victimized. This kind of logic is how we end up censoring normal sex and violence in media, so it has to be called out.
So I can break into your house and take a naked picture of you and share it without your consent? I mean it's just a picture. What's your problem with it?
Yea, exactly, you didn't even know the picture exists.
Was it hard getting on that high horse?
If you draw naked pictures of children and share them online you are going to jail. And you think this is the moment to "call out" a problem?
This is leftist bullshit. Show me the actual harms here instead a bunch of handwavy excuses to avoid punishments.
So does legislation. That's usually more harm than good.
When has the legislation "escalated?" It's pretty simple, you can't touch kids inappropriate, can't take naked pictures of them, and you can't draw and then SHARE naked pictures of them.
There's no slippery slope here. More civil damage was done after 9/11 than any of these cases. You're clutching at straws.
Selfish people treating pets as children is the real reason and a problem in itself.
/Don't carry water for your enemies.
//I see a "societal benefit" of it not existing in the first place.
This line of reasoning equally applies to "don't defend it, let them criminalize thought crimes and things with no legal basis other than they don't like it." Because it never stops at obvious and justified.
Which is why its an actual problem instead of a "fun thought experiment" with an entire Supreme Court case behind it as being 100% legal once.
Are we doing the "meeee, slippery slope" argument?
We are very clearly talking about the creation of images that imitate the appearance of children, designed to produce sexual stimulation and response. A physical recreation. It is not simply a thought crime. It is a clear line.
I dunno, between kidnapping a child to create it and kidnapping an nVidia card to create it...it's the lesser of two evils even if you inevitably hang him on principle.