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Zero point energy is real and has been being used by the deep state for decades - Redacted with Clayton Morris (m.youtube.com)
posted 5 months ago by Graphenium 5 months ago by Graphenium +25 / -9
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– Gizortnik 10 points 5 months ago +17 / -7

Is our Deep State sitting on Free Energy?

No. I'm gonna stop you right there. That is physically impossible. It is the most physically impossible thing that could ever be physically impossible. It's the Conservation of Energy Law. Even shit that we thought could break, broke before the Conservation of Energy. Free Energy has always been a fraud or a scam in every situation that it has ever been claimed. There are no exceptions in all of human history, nor anywhere in the observable universe, at any scale.

Could we travel instantaneously to different parts of the world for free.

No.

MH370

It crashed in the ocean one way or another. You ain't getting much more than that.

He's a physicist

Okay, so he knows he's a fraud and he's stealing money from people. Put him in jail.

Time Travel

Not in the way that you understand it because most people don't understand that time is just an axis of Spacetime. You live in 4 dimensions not 3. You can't separate time from space, because it's the same thing.

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– Agenda47 9 points 5 months ago +9 / -0

I'm no expert on the subject and I know it's most likely bullshit because it reeks of bullshit, but I think things like ZPE and "Cold Fusion" explicitly bypass the free energy trope. You're drawing energy out from somewhere so there's no over-unity. It's like drilling into an oil well. Anyway if it were real the deep state / council of 300 / majestic12 / men in black / aliens* have been doing a surprisingly good job of hiding it for decades and probably for good reason because you could blow up the planet with that shit.

(*or because we're talking about ZPE, it could be "The Trust" from SG-1)

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– Gizortnik 0 points 5 months ago +4 / -4

You can't "draw energy freely". The words themselves are a contradiction. You would have work to get the energy. That work is literally a change in energy.

As for ZPE, the way any of this is being described to me doesn't make sense. That's just the lowest energy state of a quantized object. It's just the literal lowest state of energy. Energy isn't stored there, it's just the lowest amount of energy the object can have. It's not drilling oil from a well, it's claiming that you can use the fuel in your car when it's parked tonight to drive longer right now. It doesn't make any sense.

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– realerfunction 3 points 5 months ago +4 / -1

what if they're teaching us wrong on purpose?

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– Gizortnik -3 points 5 months ago +3 / -6

They teach themselves the same thing.

Honestly, in the history of science, you should be a lot more worried about the scientific establishment not accepting new evidence, then having new evidence and not sharing it.

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– Graphenium [S] 1 point 5 months ago +8 / -7

The indisputably observed universal redshift (aka Hubble redshift) proves that energy isn’t conserved as the 1st “law” would demand.

Zero-point energy isn’t even up for debate, the only question is how do we harness it. Based on the evidence, it seems someone out there has harnessed it (see: Pentagon UFO disclosure movement)

Good on you for actually watching the video though

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– PointlessPseudoanon 7 points 5 months ago +7 / -0

Based on the evidence, it seems someone out there has harnessed it (see: Pentagon UFO disclosure movement)

The idea of zero-point energy is that our vacuum is metastable but not the absolutely lowest possible energy state, and that we're currently in a local minimum. Pump energy into a vacuum in the right way and the vacuum could maybe get over that 'hump' go down into a lower energy state, and release energy in the process. Okay, fine.

I'm highly dubious of how well quantum field theory can even apply to these kind of conditions, since we don't have a unified theory. But even if it is, we know that energy levels found in e.g. CERN, or any number of other supercolliders across the world, aren't enough to trigger vacuum decay, because they haven't caused vacuum decay. Ditto with the energy densities found in the nuclear bombs. Or cosmic rays. Or anything else on Earth.

When Einstein disproved Isaac Newton's theory of gravitation, apples did not start falling up. Newton's Laws are still approximately good for a wide range of masses and speeds, and you have to get well outside those masses and speeds to see Newton start to break down. Same here. If there is a way to somehow force the vacuum into a lower energy state, the trigger point has to happen well beyond any energy we can currently explain or make accurate predictions for. And that's a pretty broad range.

In other words, in a best-case scenario where some pretty dodgy assumptions are true, you have to spend a LOT of energy to get energy. Which means it's nothing like the free energy the video describes.

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– Graphenium [S] -2 points 5 months ago +2 / -4

Your “best case scenario” doesn’t appear to be the case experimentally, see: the Casimir effect. It’s a question of tapping into this source at scale and in a tunable manner

Did you watch the video or are you just replying to my comment in a vacuum?

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– PointlessPseudoanon 5 points 5 months ago +5 / -0

The Casimir Effect doesn't violate the law of conservation of energy, and doesn't show a false vacuum; it's analogous to saying that capillary action, which is sometimes referred to as 'negative pressure', means that there's a way of getting less than zero air.

But also, the Casimir Effect was known theoretically for fifty years before it was experimentally verified. The same theory which predicts Casimir also predicts that there's absolutely no way to get energy out of it, and doesn't require our vacuum to even be false to begin with. If you want zero-point energy, you have to go well outside any scale that current quantum field theory can explain. And as I said earlier, that range is pretty broad.

Did you watch the video or are you just replying to my comment in a vacuum?

I'm definitely replying to your comment in a vacuum. You're the one saying that it's a false vacuum, not me.

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– SwampRangers 2 points 5 months ago +2 / -0

Magic yes, but as a Christian I believe in actual magic too. u/Graphenium might be better charged with overzealous tone-deafness as to topicality, and dogged pursuit of Pyrrhic victory, than with science (gnosis) fails. More at c/Conspiracies anytime.

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– Graphenium [S] -2 points 5 months ago +1 / -3

https://communities.win/c/Christianity/p/19A12niAUS/the-jews-made-me-lose/c/4ZHkbMGhnDc

Holy psychopath alert!!!! Ragnar you’re still stalking me? Fucking freak

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– DomitiusOfMassilia [M] 2 points 5 months ago +2 / -0

Comment Reported for: Rule 3 - Harassment

What's the issue here? Do I really need to be involved?

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– Graphenium [S] -2 points 5 months ago +1 / -3

I must have REALLY struck a nerve when I called you a disabled waste of space shill 4 years ago huh? Go ahead and delete this account too

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– Graphenium [S] -2 points 5 months ago +2 / -4

Hey look! it’s a 10 day old sockpuppet run by a shill!

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– Graphenium [S] 1 point 5 months ago +2 / -1

I'm definitely replying to your comment in a vacuum. You're the one saying that it's a false vacuum, not me.

Actually what you quoted me saying is that the characteristics of ufos, as seen in government disclosures, indicates they’ve tapped into it to power their “impossible” maneuvers and accelerations

I recommend the video

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– Gizortnik 6 points 5 months ago +9 / -3

The indisputably observed universal redshift (aka Hubble redshift) proves that energy isn’t conserved as the 1st “law” would demand.

No... these concepts aren't even related.

Red-shifting and Blue-shifting is the doppler effect for light. That's all.

Red-shift isn't universal, some stars move away from us (red shift), while others are moving towards us (blue shift). The universe is universally expanding, but that's not a red shift. And all that that means is that the distance between atoms themselves is getting further.

None of that, literally none of that, has anything to do with the conservation of energy.

Zero-point energy... frankly I have no idea again what this has to do with the red shift of objects, let alone the idea of "free energy". You can't change energy without work... that's literally what it means. We literally define it to mean that. That's what a change in energy is.

Listen, don't give this person your money. He is a criminal. He is lying to you. Don't give him your time and attention either, but definitely don't give him money.

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– Theacefospades 0 points 5 months ago +1 / -1

Imma be real. I don't think you're going to be able to reach him.

And I don't mean you personally can't do it, I mean I don't think there's a combination of words that will get through to him.

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– Gizortnik 1 point 5 months ago +1 / -0

It happens sometimes. I get this stuff with the moon landings too.

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– Theacefospades 1 point 5 months ago +1 / -0

Cf. My mom

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– Graphenium [S] 1 point 5 months ago +2 / -1

Who do you think knows more about the subject, you, or actual cosmologists/astrophysicists/etc?

It’s clear that cosmologists have not done a very good job of spreading the word about something that’s been well-understood since at least the 1920’s: energy is not conserved in general relativity.

https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2010/02/22/energy-is-not-conserved/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_M._Carroll

It’s so funny how douchey you guys act while obviously being the ignorant ones, too lazy and intellectually dishonest to do anything even approaching “investigating claims” so you just endless yap in the comments without saying anything

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– Graphenium [S] -1 points 5 months ago +3 / -4

Red-shift isn't universal

Hubble's law, also known as the Hubble–Lemaître law,[1] is the observation in physical cosmology that galaxies are moving away from Earth at speeds proportional to their distance. In other words, the farther a galaxy is from the Earth, the faster it moves away. A galaxy's recessional velocity is typically determined by measuring its redshift, a shift in the frequency of light emitted by the galaxy.

https://hubblesite.org/contents/media/images/4509-Image.html

frankly I have no idea again what this has to do with the red shift of objects

Both demonstrate that the story of existence is clearly far more complex than those who cry “mUh fiRsT LaW” would seem to think is possible.

It’s funny how you frame your message so condescendingly but you don’t even seem to know much at all about the subjects. Have you really never heard of cosmological redshift? This is like 80 years old, everyone knows about it, basic stuff, in terms of cosmology atleast.

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– Gizortnik -1 points 5 months ago +2 / -3

You are being bamboozled. Literally.

Newton's First Law isn't the same as the conservation of energy. It's related to it, but it's not the same. And again, red-shifting is a behavior, not a law. There is the Hubble-Lemaitre Law, but that's not the same as red-shifting. You are being bamboozled because someone is teaching you to conflate and confuse words and meanings.

"The story of existence" isn't defined by Newton's laws. Newton just created a system to explain kinematics by identifying it's simplest component parts. That system has held entirely true. We already know where Newtonian Mechanics falls apart, which is why Einsteinian Mechanics and Quantum Physics exists, but those fundamental laws do not actually change. It's only that the math context and assumptions Newton was using aren't sufficient.

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– Graphenium [S] 3 points 5 months ago +3 / -0

It’s okay to admit you don’t understand Hubble redshift, you don’t need to project out your intellectual insecurities onto others.

Energy is not conserved on the scale of the universe. Where do you think the energy being redshifted is going?

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– Gizortnik 0 points 5 months ago +1 / -1

Graph.

The energy of galaxies is not red-shifted. The light is. That's because it's moving away. The wavelengs of the light are increased because it's moving away, that's why it's red. That doesn't have anything to do with the energy state of an object.

Yes, Energy is conserved on the scale of the universe. That would be the perfect conservation. It doesn't have a non-universe to go to.

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– Graphenium [S] 2 points 5 months ago +2 / -0

So where is the energy that was once contained in the photons after the photons have been redshifted?

You might think this sounds silly but it’s only because you haven’t thought/read about the subject enough

Here is cosmologist Sean Carroll:

https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2010/02/22/energy-is-not-conserved/

It’s clear that cosmologists have not done a very good job of spreading the word about something that’s been well-understood since at least the 1920’s: energy is not conserved in general relativity. (With caveats to be explained below.)

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– SwampRangers 2 points 5 months ago +2 / -0

Your comment is on the right track. Glad to see the techies are out trying to unpack it, it's a job we can all do together. To infinity and beyond.

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– CatoTheElder 1 point 5 months ago +3 / -2

energy isn’t conserved as the 1st “law”

You couldn't be more wrong.

If you have an energy per volume and then increase that volume then your energy per volume should go down.

Why the fuck are you making me defend Gizortnik?

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– Gizortnik 1 point 5 months ago +1 / -0

Shalom, my true plan is coming along nicely.

Here are your shekles, golem.

/s <--- (for when someone goes to ConPro and claims this as evidence)

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– Graphenium [S] -1 points 5 months ago +1 / -2

It should concern you, being on the same side of an issue as that insane shill

Have you read what the guy who’s Phd thesis was ”Cosmological Consequences of Topological and Geometric Phenomena in Field Theories”, yet? Or are you still just yapping based on gut feeling?

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– Gizortnik 2 points 5 months ago +2 / -0

I was making a joke, graph.

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– Graphenium [S] 0 points 5 months ago +2 / -2

And it was funny in a vacuum, but my point still stands

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– Theacefospades 0 points 5 months ago +1 / -1

Agreed. I feel dirty

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– Graphenium [S] 0 points 5 months ago +2 / -2

Where does the energy to increase that volume come from you moron? You think that’s an action which can happen freely?

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– CatoTheElder 0 points 5 months ago +2 / -2

It doesn't take energy to maintain an expansion into nothingness.

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– Graphenium [S] 0 points 5 months ago +2 / -2

Lmfao. You're always so confidently ignorant.

Read what preeminent cosmologist Sean Carroll has to say then get back to me:

It’s clear that cosmologists have not done a very good job of spreading the word about something that’s been well-understood since at least the 1920’s: energy is not conserved in general relativity. (With caveats to be explained below.)

https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2010/02/22/energy-is-not-conserved/

Inb4 kikoTheYounger says Sean Carroll and all the other cosmologists are retarded and he knows better

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– CatoTheElder -1 points 5 months ago +2 / -3

Why would I refute him? You have no understanding of what he says. You always post links and videos and never put explanations into your own words. Anyways, the Komar mass is conserved.

You're always so confidently ignorant.

Pure projection.

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– Graphenium [S] 0 points 5 months ago +1 / -1

Yet again, total refusal to discuss in good faith.

The reason energy isn’t conserved is because the universe isn’t a “closed” system, which is a requirement for the “law” to hold. The universe isn’t a closed system precisely because of the reason I’ve been saying all along, the expansion of the universe renders us with a time-variant system, which is by definition not a closed system. If you want the math behind all this at the most developed level (i.e. the version of the principle of conservation of energy developed for general relativity, look up Noether’s theorem).

How’s that for my own words? What’s your next weasel maneuver?

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– SwampRangers 1 point 5 months ago +2 / -1

Well, u/Graphenium! I'm favorably impressed. A quick skim of the transcript shows they got the science mostly right so far (including Gizortnik's last paragraph)! The right way to talk about time travel is (1) via Einsteinian time dilation as in Interstellar and (2) via the new science of negative time, although that is only a quantum-level effect as yet and in any model would need a new paradigm for sci-fi style interaction with the past. (Hm, let me meditate on that: entangled connection of the past anticipatory event with the future anticipated event. Got it bookmarked.)

I didn't check much for ZPE but they're absolutely on the right track with modifying permittivity. This is not a contradiction of conservation of energy either, the untapped energy is real (and predicted by the Bible) but too poorly understood to be tapped easily (thus all the frauds). They even bring in CDK! I'm looking forward to longer review.

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– Graphenium [S] 0 points 5 months ago +2 / -2

I highly recommend you watch it when you get a chance. I watch a video or two after dinner most nights but you seem like you rarely take the time, instead opting for these transcripts which rarely even tell half the story. There’s a really crazy clip of “the MH370 plane being teleported by 3 ufos”. The most interesting part is that since it supposedly comes from a satellite it has thermal imaging too. The analysis of the “explosion” upon “teleportation” is pretty mind blowing (hint: it registers as black on a thermal imaging device…)

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– ernsithe 6 points 5 months ago +8 / -2

If they had free energy, they'd be printing something more valuable than paper money.

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– SR388-SAX -1 points 5 months ago +1 / -2

This is the correct answer.

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– Agenda47 6 points 5 months ago +6 / -0

Whether its true or not, I wonder what made you decide to post this here now? I watch this kind of stuff a lot but it never occurred to me that it would be on topic here. No problem with the post, just asking.

FYI Ashton is that guy who posted the infamous MH370 UFO abduction video years ago and reposted it again with new analysis last year. Personally I think he created it himself to promote his channel and this ZPE topic he spams continuously. Although by coincidence the Malaysian government did just decide to renew their search for the crashed airplane for some reason.

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– Graphenium [S] 0 points 5 months ago +4 / -4

The video was posted ~6 hours ago, I watched it ~3 hours ago, thought “wow, more people should see this”, and posted it on the two forums I post on

Interesting re: the clip, I didn’t realize how closely linked the video of MH370 was to him, I found it surprising that I had never seen that clip before, but I’ve also never heard of the interviewee before this, so I guess that explains why I hadn’t heard of either. The clip is interesting in its own right imo, but I’ve been following the “over unity/ZPE” thing for a while and at this point I’m pretty well convinced there’s something to it, based on the sum of a variety of totally different evidentiary paths

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– CatoTheElder 5 points 5 months ago +13 / -8

And the primary mode of transportation in the far east is flying swords. And we are ruled by a secret cabal of millennia old Tibetan monks nascent soul cultivators. And Hiroshima was really Goku doing a Kamehameha.

Get out you fucking flat earther. You don't belong. Not here. Not in the US. Not in this universe.

All you post are kookification post to ensure that new eyes getting to this board from all associate us with this garbage. You are worse than the christcucks, and the civnats.

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– Theacefospades 2 points 5 months ago +2 / -0

You are worse than .... and the civnats.

Let's not go crazy

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– Graphenium [S] 0 points 5 months ago +6 / -6

>ignores the mountain of evidence presented in the video to instead cry about flat earth

Saw that coming, too bad you always have to be among the first to comment, inevitably souring the discussion (as is obviously your intention)

Discuss the video or blow it out your ass

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– CatoTheElder 4 points 5 months ago +9 / -5

Like hell, I'm going to watch that garbage. Go suck a turd, you faggot crying about downvotes.

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– Impishdesire -1 points 5 months ago +3 / -4

It’s true Cato, all of it. If only you knew the extent of the rabbit hole you’ve guessed upon.

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– SwampRangers 1 point 5 months ago +1 / -0

Begins with 20 minutes of claims that MH370 videos had good chain of custody and showed abnormal activity. Proposed hypothesis, ZPE teleportation (wormhole) from Indian Ocean to Diego Garcia. Not convincing to the skeptic, but definitely worth a bookmark.

Jump to cold fusion, evidence of suppression of discovery. The claim is that random scientists have theories that agree with oddities observed in the videos. Schwinger limit (haven't looked into). Salvatore Pais, who works for USSF and has 5 fascinating patents. So at about 23 minutes we start talking about accurate description of ZPE as curved in the 5th dimension and massive. Then back to speculation based on the video. Casimir effect explained as ZPE consequence, possibly good, serves as well-researched (though less practical) example that might tie into the proposed science.

Magnetic motor overunity at 33 minutes? He shouldn't mix language of "free energy" with overunity because that's the sci-fi spin, not the science. But he uses that for example of Casimir cavity microchips, again tantalizing. Quantum tunneling. Hints of Elon.

At 39 minutes, plasma propulsion, also interesting. Plasma holds charge density better? Changing permittivity to change lightspeed; condensed charge research as code name for cold fusion.

Harold "Hal" Puthoff, whose name I've seen before in his research into mind-reading being debunked. Wikipedia implies he has a patent that was permitted because the examiner failed to prove it was pseudoscience, i.e. nobody knows if it would work. Not similar credentials to other names.

TLDR: Ashton Forbes is not crazy. The cutting edge exists, the scientists are discovering structures the spiritual already knew about but didn't have measurements for. The clickbait headline is accurate enough, about the permitted forms of time travel, as I said, which are not what the mainstream thinks. (For influencing the past and seeing the future we don't use time travel proper as scientists know it, we use harmonious resonance.) The science about lightspeed, Casimir, ZPE, plasma, etc. is largely accurate at the basic level, but has not been proven successful at the detail level (i.e. nobody knows if govs have it for real, which is what the govs want). I suspect the cold fusion data is also in the right direction. Best practice: stick to Jesus who knows all and will share.

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– alucard13mmfmj -1 points 5 months ago +1 / -2

Doesnt google have a quantum computer that can break encrypted code in 5 minutes? Which otherwise would take 70 trillion years?

And there are wild unproven speculation that the quantum computer is drawing on the power and computational power of other quantum computers in other dimensions or universes.

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– Grumman 2 points 5 months ago +3 / -1

Doesnt google have a quantum computer that can break encrypted code in 5 minutes? Which otherwise would take 70 trillion years?

No, they don't. They have a quantum computer that can do something useless in 5 minutes that would otherwise take 70 trillion years to simulate. The most charitable reading of their accomplishment is that proving quantum computers can do something classical computers cannot is a first step to proving quantum computers can do something useful that classical computers cannot.

And there are wild unproven speculation that the quantum computer is drawing on the power and computational power of other quantum computers in other dimensions or universes.

Yes, because they're snake oil salesmen trying to use such ridiculous claims to hype up their useless machine.

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