Not too much to report; No major news since last time, but wanted to talk a bit about the social media accounts of some of the big players. As well as a few other things like the status of the "war" and where I think it's headed.
The dangerhaired Community Manager, Nat privated she/they's account.
The #wokot Project Manager, Remi privated his account, after defending the vile Discord mod, Xananax (ironically, as always, they're more focused on that he said "nigger," than that he called complainers subhuman scum who should basically kill themselves and have no place in Our Society); Remi seems to be buddies with both Xananax and Nat.
Disappointingly, the project creator, Juan, privated his account as well. This came after an initial take that approached sanity, but was then marred by woke nonsense and justification of bans. He also spouted off on an alternate platform, blaming Trump supporters and weebs among others, which I'll get to in a bit. Just like Nat, and the Godot Engine account, he's mocking people after blocking or privating. Cowards, all of them.
So, yeah. A lot of people weren't paying attention, and thought it stopped at a rogue Community Manager. That was never the case. She always had the full backing (and friendship) of a bunch of the people actually coding the engine, and owning and/or running things.
To recap, since the blow up, the project creator, the project manager, and the community manager have all privated their accounts, each after roundly mocking anyone who dared call them out. I wish it wasn't, as I do like the engine, but this is rotten all the way down.
Now, here's what the creator, Juan, had to say on Mastadon (because of course), also, emphasis mine:
Will chill from Twitter/X until after the US elections. Almost all the hate Godot got over the weekend was pretty much people who had not a clue what a game engine is, what Godot is, or what a FOSS / community made project is. Most of the ones who did were the usual haters.
Checking profile of haters, majority pro-trump people with weird religious symbology, or people with avatars/obsession for anime little girls.
Sometimes I feel I am too innocent for this world.
Blames the hate on Trump supporters, and say that the "haters" they don't like games or engines, essentially. All but calls others pedophiles. I assume "weird religious symbology" is probably the Christian cross. Also, calling Platinum level backers (100 pounds a month) people who don't know what an engine is, is pretty crass.
I'm so tired of these assholes. At least this guy actually made something, to his credit, but there's so many others who haven't, who want to say anyone complaining isn't a "real gamer," or isn't into game development, or isn't a member of the "actual community." They're scum, for all their cries of "inclusivity." No one on the "Godot fucked up" side of things is calling for gays and trannies to be banned from interacting with the platform. Ironically, we've got no problem with that, and think Godot actually is for everyone. The "Godot is for everyone" crowd, meanwhile, will openly say they want us all banned, and worse.
It's all, to use the term they love, gaslighting. They're our enemies, they'll say as much openly, but then also say that us noticing that they're our enemies is fragility and insanity, and that we're not really interested in the communities or hobbies they actively infiltrate and subvert.
Now, as to where I think the "war" is headed...basically, it's still too early. This kicked off right around the end of the month, I believe, so some donations were already dropping off. Others dropped support, but it didn't seem to be that many, although at least one was a big one. There was an influx of support over the outrage, too, and some people have claimed they gained donations...I still say let it shake out, we'll see what it's like at the end of this month. But it could be the case, that there's currently no big difference. This passed by a lot of people. It seems like a flash in the pan, although that can sometimes build to more. I do think this damaged their reputation - it certainly did in my eyes - and that can very well hurt down the line. I will say, I do wish there had been a bigger rally around this, not going to lie. Their behavior was very vile, but the outrage is admittedly pretty niche. Again, it could echo down the line though.
As to the forks...I have yet to see any proof of competence, or anything beyond outrage forking. I'm not saying that will remain the case, and I'll still be watching Redot with interest, but they seem to be moving fairly slowly so far. I do hope they get off the ground, as competition is good in general, even if Godot hadn't shit the bed. I'm rooting for a competent Godot fork, hopefully even one that is more than just a clone, and actually adds features Godot doesn't have.
Honest assessment...so far, it's neutral. Which is a win for them, since they fired the first shots. Do I think they'll get away with their behavior largely unscathed? Again, too soon to tell, but it's certainly possible. There is often a fair bit of lag time though, so we'll see. I do hope this drives competition though.
tl;dr - Godot is woke top to it's trans bottom. Skip, ignore and Vote Trump.
trump wants to go straight to the death penalty for people who oppose the perpetrators behind this crap, why would anyone here vote for him?
Why wouldn't anyone, reeree?
No, you're right. Harris/Walz 2024.
They'll protect our freedoms, much more than Bad Orange Man.
Vote freedom, vote Harris!
This shit is why I keep saying that they are trying to suicide bomb the dissident right.
Even if you believe in accelerationism, which is stupid, willfully choosing to lose each battle is not the way to achiever either progress or acceleration.
are you silly in the head, friend? both harris and trump would give you the lethal injection for being against the stuff Godot is pulling. why do you jump to these retarded conclusions? why do you let the TV convince you that it's either Mr. Make Israel Great Again or the tranny lords? have you no agency of your own? can you think of no better options? if you can, are you so weak that you'd rather settle with this person who literally announced publicly he wants to violently murder people like you (who oppose the destruction of our culture) than give the situation any meaningful thought at all?
Yup, that's clearly me, friend.
Nonsense. Neither would. Harris/Walz have come out strongly and explicitly against free speech. As for Trump? Trump occasionally says anti-free speech stuff, because he's kind of retarded on some things. He's sadly not a purist, but he still somewhat understands the importance of free speech, and is certainly more for it than Harris/Walz, in a huge way.
Because I don't have TDS...
I don't watch TV, weirdo.
What? You want to jump right to Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo, or what?
If you're voting, and care about free speech...yeah, you should vote for Trump. He's not perfect, but the other guys are much, much worse on the issue. This isn't rocket science. Which is good, because if this was rocket science, those screws you have loose would lead to a catastrophic failure.
He did no fucking thing. Again, stop being insane.
Literally every "ackshually Trump is also bad for us" idiot ignores this portion.
Like Trump is flawed, he fucked up a lot last time and his Israel stance is fucking retarded. But the alternative is so much worse in so many avenues more that its a no brainer to staunch the flow and try to reclaim some ground.
When they make this kind of argument, they reveal themselves to be Single Issue Voters. Who will let this entire country burn on everything except their one little pet issue. No different than the pathetic women who consider abortion the single most important factor why they want Harris.
And truthfully, most of them wouldn't even vote for someone who was on their side on the issue. They'd just increase the purity level needed until its actually impossible for them to clear the bar. Because they don't want someone to represent them, they just want to Be Smug and talk down to somebody.
As in, its just them being 2000s era atheists. The same people who were proud to have no beliefs and considered sincerity to be "cringe."
I think part of it is single issue voting, and some of it is definitely smugness, but I think another part is the forced 'both sides' artificial nuance stance, where they forcefully call out negative behavior, even if it's not proportional, to try to seem more reasonable. When really it's just cucked behavior. I don't think that's what's going on here, but I've seen a lot of people do it, especially libertarians. They're so interested in not being "Trumpers" they shit on Trump nonstop, even though he's so much better, on literally all issues they care about. Like you said, purity spiral.
“Biden showered with his grand daughter!”
“Trump cheated on his wife with a pornstar!”
“…”
No doubt. Centrism became a meme because of how many people artificially try to make both sides seem bad.
Because to pick a side requires commitment, and that means a possibility of being wrong and taking the good with the bad in an imperfect world/system. That's scary to a lot of people, so they just tear down everything instead to keep from ever being associated with anything that isn't vetted 900 times to be perfectly milquetoast and non-controversial.
Its all about appearances and optics, not principles and morality.
I hope MK Ultra at least gives you the good stuff.
i mean, don't pretend like i'm telling lies here.
No one said you were lying, just that you're retarded.
For the record, I don't like what he says here, but the context is important. It wasn't about speech, it was after a synagogue shooting.
He's talking about terrorism, not antisemitism. Again, I condemn his cucked speech prior to that point, but he's not calling for the death penalty for antisemites...you retard.
Yet you said this:
It's nonsense, and it's idiotic.
Hey now, speak for yourself! I'm calling him a retarded liar.
if context was important you'd put two and two together and figure things out already. how can trump say he wants to make israel great again and send them billions, or make elaborate speeches on how he will punish those who are against jews, while America is burning down around him? how can he speak with such fervor against antisemites but not against the millions of anti-Whites raping and pillaging right under his nose in America?
if it wasn't racial, he wouldn't have used the word "antisemite", just "terrorist", and it'd have been a whatever milquetoast speech. but it IS racial, and he's decidedly on the side of the jews, who have it written in their book that you are mindless cattle that should be killed or enslaved.
He did no such thing. And certainly not the death penalty. Are you walking back that bit of insanity now that you've been called out, or are you sticking to it?
That is the most retarded take I've seen today. And I saw an imp post today.
Is it bad that I’m sort of disappointed Lethn deleted his account just before this all happened.
LOL, I honestly thought he just ragequit and that was it. Talk about going full nuclear so nobody could immediately see how retarded he had become.
Was there some Lethn drama I missed? I don't keep a close eye on usernames but he was one of the few I did know.
It brings me no pleasure to announce this, as I was never one of his haters, and generally got along well...but sadly Lethn's autism developed autism.
Here's some of it, if you're curious.
https://unscored.arete.network/c/KotakuInAction2/p/1994ouKmxD/
You can just look for other threads around that date and see him freaking out on other ones too. I think that was the one he gave up, so it would be threads slightly earlier where he was also freaking out.
Oddly enough...it was about the Tenet drama. He had a serious hate against YouTubers in general or something, said they were guilty because the government brought an indictment so it was official (even though he got all the facts wrong), and said he'd throw even people he liked like the Lotus Eaters or Count Dankula under the bus if their governments (which already hate them) came for them, as long as it was official. I'm paraphrasing, of course, but he doubled down on it super hard. It went pages deep, over multiple threads. Everyone was calling him wrong, so he started calling us retarded Redditor bootlickers for "defending scum" and "fanboying" or whatever.
Basically, classic autism, where he couldn't even understand that people were talking about two different things. I know I personally said time and again that I didn't even like most of the Tenet people, but the principle was important. And he still just kept calling me and others retarded fanboys.
Basically, it was a very disastrous combination of extreme autism and the latent respect for government authoritarianism that seems to be in most UK subjects.
It was quite the blowup though...he really just wasn't getting anything, and called out everyone else for being wrong and "misinterpreting" him...by repeating his own words back to him. He'd say you were getting his whole point wrong...and then agree with what you were saying he was saying. Over, and over, and over, and over. It was hilarious and exhausting.
So basically a britcuck could not contain the instinctual genuflection before state authority inherent in british culture.
For all he's repeatedly talked about wanting to leave, it's clear he belongs to cuck island.
He's all talk, like those celebrities that claimed they were going to move to Canuckistan when Trump won.
At least Bamboozler had the balls to move to Sweden of all places.
Bamboozler is based, and I'm glad he hasn't killed himself. He was talking about it for a while there and, sadly, there's nothing us internet people can do about it, but last I saw he seemed to be in a better mental space. That could have gone a different way. Best wishes to that based Aussie. o7
And now instead of long rows of ellipses, he uses long rows of umlauts.
He just said a lot of retarded shit and got sick of getting told he was retarded.
I thought he was banned or something weird. But ragedeletion makes more sense.
Right? Terrible timing for an insane internet hissy fit!
I'm sure he's with us in spirit and alts.
You'd immediately be able to tell if he was using an alt because he's physically incapable of not making a topic about himself.
I’m not sure he has an alt. If so, he’s good at writing differently.
Indeed, he did use the same username across a lot of different places...
In his case, it’s more that either “lethn” was always a character and he was doing a bit, or he wasn’t doing a bit, and lethn was him, and he really wrote and talked and thought that way. And if it’s the latter, I simply don’t believe a sperg of that type could maintain an alt without getting into the exact same sort of fights for the exact same sort of reasons, because there was something about him that rendered him fundamentally unable to communicate properly.
I do think half the people here are characters, or bots, but I'm probably just paranoid.
You'd best not think that about your good pal Hugs.
Only half of me is a bot, haha.
Still weird that a game engine with such small market share can afford to piss off more users and make things worse lol. Enough to ban people who cared and put in a bit of money to support it. If i was a supporter.. id perma turn my back on them even if i got unbanned.
Sadly.. only engines are what? Unity and unreal that are public?? Rest are inhouse.
Yup. I almost wish I'd been supporting financially, so I could stop.
There are others, but much smaller. At least Godot is open source; even though they're woke, they can't fuck you as hard as Unity or Unreal could, were they so inclined. And they can be forked, and I do hope a successful fork emerges.
It really is frustrating they picked this fight. I knew they were leftists, but it was fine until they declared war like this. I don't care about the politics of the people involved...if they can keep it to themselves. Obviously not the case here, or generally with leftists.
I think the market share largely agrees with them. From what I've heard game devs are increasingly woke and drive out anybody who disagrees with them, which strengthens their echo chamber and their power to drive undesirables away.
So your options are to fall in line or quit game dev.
A lot of gamers haven’t figured this out yet, but game dev is overwhelmingly leftist. The rank and file devs are incredibly woke. Probably a majority of game devs absolutely despise the average gamer. That’s why Marxism overtook the industry so completely and quickly, and it’s not going anywhere.
They didn't used to be. Something went wrong.
A combination of game dev becoming so easy, and leftists preying on autistic men.
I think this is the bigger issue.
Insecure, socially isolated people are very easy targets for cults.
Credentialism is a bigger factor. And since you need to go through a college to get a degree, you're going to get more left-leaning loons.
This shouldn't not be a surprise, given how many of them are college graduates.
Colleges are the central nexus of all these infestations, and it is high time people realize this, in every industry, and start to figure out how they can hire people not inculcated in far left cult ideology.
Hmm, Perhaps going the way of trades and apprenticeship but in regards to programming?
Yes.
It doesn't take a college degree to learn to code. Much like writing, it is something you pick up by doing, and benefits greatly from a apprentice/mentor dynamic, because you can learn to code from people who do it for a living, instead of college professors who may have not even touched a live codebase in a decade or more.
I have a problem with the distinction between game coder and gamer. My thought is that if you're finding woke game developers, they must be woke gamers. I don't see why there would be a big political split between gamers and game coders. I would think they are all one and the same.
Gamers who more aptitude for coding than any other hobbyists that I'm aware of, and gaming is perhaps the most common hobby I've seen among coders.
I think you are partially right. The Venn diagram that includes woke "gamers" and woke coders is probably near 100%, but I would argue that such "gamers" are casuals that experience gaming now only because consoles and mobile gaming is ubiquitous, are only developers in a peripheral sense, and only are in the field at all because of the zeitgeist in the 2000s to be in "tech."
In the 1990s such people would have never been called gamers, and programming the games of the 90s would be beyond most of them, as they were coded in C and other lower level languages that do not suffer mediocrity.
It's sad. And they act like it's because they have the moral high ground, and not that mentally ill leftards take over the cities, Hollywood, and the main sources of influence, because more rightwing people, as well as normies, largely just want to be left alone. You can't be rightwing and involved in any large tech venture, by and large.
No, you don't get to claim the high ground, just because you congregate in areas of influence, where you and your Tolerance have made it more acceptable to literally by violent Antifa communists than openly...conservative, or Republican, or Christian.
No, absolutely not, and you shouldn't think that way. You'll never be accepted by the current clique, and you'll have a hard to making your own clique that is accepted by the mainstream, but you can absolutely do your own thing regardless of the busybodies. Plenty people do. No one can keep you from making games, if that's what you want to do. And you shouldn't let them trick you into thinking they can gatekeep you.
But why go through all that when there is so little money in game dev? Better to take coding or data skills anywhere else. Front end, data analysis, AI, etc. it's all way more lucrative and you won't be fighting just to be seen as a human.
Because you want to make something that makes an impression on people. Yeah, you could optimize the Amazon web experience so that pages load 1.5% faster or save the bank 2% on backend costs with more efficient queries, but nobody is going to make multi-hour video essays on what you did.
It is a shame that Godot is rotten to the core and currently it seems Redot is being spammed, will have to see if they get a functional culture working, but it does worry me that the small talks about removing the c++ and go with rust from some (So it seems to be that perhaps a few new normies has been temporarily awoken or it is just the devil in another shape again, haha) and that the current vision seems to be just a fork with small improvements, Lack of stringent vision except for not political might mean that it will be captured again, if they show any type of success they will be target of capture for the leftists.
Why would you use Rust in an anti-woke project?
That is one of the point of worry, I'm not completely in the loop of the fork Redot, but it seems to be made up of programming normies, and they are not really in the loop of these things at all, and Rust is supposed to be hip.... ( I know it is quite infested ground, but most normies don't) And it's vision is not Anti-Woke it's more try to be non political (at least that seems to be the idea at the time), So in essence quite worried that the lead will not be able to effectively gate keep but will keep an eye out.
Man C++ vs Rust is gonna be a hard one for me.
Though I understand why C++ is used in games. I'm just one of the haters.
"Brief."
Well, could you condense it into a meme?
Do not forget that these people want you broke, dead, your kids raped and brainwashed, and they think it's funny.
#CurrentYear
I kinda was hoping Vance would say that in the VP debate. I knew it wouldn't happen, but I wished it was so.
That would have been spicy.
Is it really any more spicy than "Our country is run by a matriarchy of childless cat ladies?" Meh.
Well, yes?
The general public is ready to accept the idea that women are slowly ruining themselves, as evidenced by the slow crash of the dating market in general and how they try to girlboss everything, only to complain about intimidation when you're not having their bullshit.
Unless you know where to look and see what most of us have seen, you're probably not willing to entertain the idea that a good chunk of the nation would celebrate your death and do so without hesitation.
"Shit's on fire, yo"
The very essence of the problem of trying to live with dishonorable people and why being far more vengeful is desirable.
Many, many, such cases.
Yup. I think people here are a bit more plugged in, but on Steam I saw a lot of people acting like it was just this "obnoxiously queer" "Nat" character that was the root of the problem.
I wish it was that simple. But, nope.
Communists, like wolves, hunt in packs.