I posted a comment about this, but I think it's worthy of a post. I will summarize very briefly.
In 1973, David Rosenhan, a psychologist, published a study of mental institutions that basically went viral. In "On Being Sane in Insane Places" Rosenhan claimed to have sent 12 average people to voluntarily be assessed by different mental institutions. He catalogued the diagnoses they received and how long they spent institutionalized. This study was shocking in purporting to show how poorly diagnoses work and in exposing flaws in treatment. His claims, followed in 1975 by the famous movie One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest essentially killed off institutionalization in the United States and around the world. Those who supported chemically treatments, as opposed to psychotherapy and hospitalization, won a resounding victory, and that's the world we live in today.
The only problem is, Rosenhan's paper was a complete work of fiction, and he lied repeatedly about the experiment, about the results of the experiment, even about the people in the experiment. Rosenhan, himself was one of the participants, and the alleged experimental protocols that participants were supposed to follow simply did not exist. When experiences didn't match what he was looking for, he simply dismissed and ignored them, and made up 'alternative facts' instead.
Investigative reporter Susannah Calahan and history of psychiatry professor Andrew Scull have thoroughly destroyed Rosenhan's paper and results, and yet it is still the most formative and influential piece of work in the field in at least the last 75 years.
Andrew Scull's lengthy article. I highly recommend reading it all:
https://gwern.net/doc/psychiatry/schizophrenia/rosenhan/2023-scull.pdf
Archive: https://archive.is/fqt8z
This needs to be more widely known. Along with the perverted Kinsey (enough said) and the fraudster Ancel Keys, of the Minnesota Starvation Experiment, whose work lead directly to the false belief that "all fat is bad" and who is personally responsible for the high-carb low-fat diet trends of the 1960s on that have killed hundreds of millions, it shows the power that corrupt, fraudulent, and narrative-driven activist scientists can have on reshaping society around us.
No, we should NOT "trust the science," and to say otherwise is distinctly anti-scientific.
One of the other seminal "studies" in psychology is also a fraud, the so called Stanford prison experiment.
There is a perverse incentive to publish fake papers today. All the people running around with Ph.D doctorates need to publish to get hired, and promoted, so what do they do? Make shit up.
If there weren't so many midwit Ph.D around, there wouldn't be such high pressure to publish fake studies for career enhancement. How to fix that? Fewer colleges, fewer people in college, and much higher admission standards so that the people who are in college are able to properly advance the field of knowledge they go into.
I read an article that agrees with you, except instead of fewer schools it advocates for fewer degrees. ( Majors)
I will say the medical focused schools, and hospitals are in collision changing degree names. Noctors is what they're calling PA's NP's. The schools are making the diploma sound like the individual has the same education, and they don't. r/noctors is where I ended up on that topic.
Hospitals, conglomerates are firing most of the doctors while telling them to just supervise the noctors. It's not good.
Hospitals are just government in a skin suit anymore. There’s no real discernible difference and they pay 2 billion a year in admin costs just to keep current on government regulations. Most “primary care” are NPs or PAs anymore as since 2022 all are allowed to prescribe medication. It’s an intentional downgrade to lower “cost” while government regulations rape hospitals, forcing more conglomerate hospital mergers to share costs.
Conglomerates are also an issue. I've brought it up before, but people think that it doesn't matter due to the topic.
Catholic hospital brands are buying up locations in states that protects women's reproductive health, and then using freedom of religion to bypass voted laws. Companies need to loose personhood status, but entities with no intention of following local laws shouldn't be able to buy facilities en mass.
No way for that to be an accident.
Conglomerates are a byproduct of regulation cancer. It was far cheaper to run a private practice than work under a hospital 30 years ago, it became costly under Bush’s Medicare and more expensive under Obama. The political trend of doctors followed as such since they could only afford to practice under the conglomerate they now vote for democrats who give them the most government funding versus doctors being overwhelmingly conservative during the private practice era.
Conglomerates are a byproduct of Regulation cancer?
Would your please elaborate this? My first response is to point out that two of the largest companies in America are the Mormon Church, and the Catholic Church. I would argue these are examples of greed, not putting money back into the company. Shareholders cause the same issue.
My personal experience was that digital records ruined everything in the medical industry. We are both aware that medical bilking, and coding requires an entire department of people with degrees. If it can't be billed, it didn't happen. I had chicken pox as an adult. I was vaxxed as a child, and my records showed I had it as a child as well. The dr said it wasn't supposed to be possible, and the computer wouldn't let her input it. She didn't know what to do.
That's exactly how I got it. These magic words, " I may or may not have chicken pox. That's not supposed to be possible". Luckily we're weirdos with a sense of humor. I got it, that meant the other person had it!
The current rush to conglomerate hospitals to cover costs is due to government costs through regulations, even the digital medical records would not be an extreme cost if hipaa wasn’t so convoluted. Hospital profit is what, millions at best per system? United makes more in a year than the entire hospital network in the US.
What I'm seeing is schools buying hospitals because covid taught them they get the school grants, and the hospital grants. It backfired with John's Hopkins ( I'm semi local, but many loved ones used to go there for the specialists).
The specialists cut ties with John Hopkins. My family member that had been going there since being charted ( like house), and got their ailment under control suddenly had their specialists just under retirement age starting a new practice. Chats about this with friends had their lives ones having the same experience. It seems the doctors trained right weren't playing the games. Don't forget JH argued against the dumbassery for a brief time.
HIPAA is intentionally convoluted. People don't understand they shouldn't answer any questions at work because the wrong one opens them up to not being protected. I would argue Standards of Care being determined in the accounting department is the issue. However, I have allergies and family medical history that makes hospitals more likely to kill me if I'm not seen by a professional that listens while I'm also well enough to articulate.
The current hospital database will link a patient to anyone that matches the same heart signature. The medical professionals simply say they don't understand the computer science. Even while they can look at see the patient in front of them couldn't be the person the database has linked due to age and other demographics. I'm more informed with this than many due to the prementioned family medical history. This is seriously dangerous, bad software.
I didn't read these. The ones I read when they happened has nurses giving interviews saying they couldn't give patients the correct dose of meds. That's a math problem! Weight, half-life, etc. I prefer my doctor old where they look at their watches at tell me when the med is going to wear off.
https://www.npr.org/2024/06/16/nx-s1-5004998/the-u-s-healthcare-industry-has-been-the-target-of-two-ransomware-attacks-this-year
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/29/tech/ransomware-attacks-hospitals-patients-danger/index.html
You're not aware of how regulations push larger organizations at the expense of small one, and your evidence against that fact is to site two organizations with perhaps the most regulatory protection that it is possible to have?
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Your short hostile accusation is barely an explanation of your opinion. However, you currently have the save freedom of religion, It being abused Bt companies due to a bad ruling that needs to be revisited.
That is all your comment is worth.
I agree. Another fix would be to purge all sociological smarm from doctorate programs in English and jettison all the crap clustered around/derived from "critical studies."
I wouldn't say the Stanford prison experiment is fake as much as it was uncontrolled and abusive.
It was fake in the sense that it wasn't really an experiment. There was no control group. I think the guy that set it up even calls it a "demonstration" rather than an experiment. He set it up in a way that virtually guaranteed the result.
Even the complaints from the victims basically made it seem like that. Also the guards kinda said that too. Like they were pressured to be crazy.
It was not so much an experiment as a film directed by an abusive and excessively micromanaging director. I wouldn't call it "uncontrolled" at all: Every facet of it was being heavily pushed by the "studier".
Your interest is in both the replication crisis, and the knowledge filter. These overlap. When those old studies are cited 𝚙𝚛𝚘𝚙𝚎𝚛𝚕𝚢, a disclaimer is made that due to ethics holding human life in higher regard the old study is not falsifyable ( can't be reproduced). John Money is the most famous example of this, and you don't even have to look at the topic.
Grievance studies affair is a hilarious example of social sciences just grabbing what they want. Some of this was still being used, and citied the last I checked.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grievance_studies_affair
The knowledge filter overlaps due to peer review bullshit. You've heard that saying about the old guard having to die out? They made it worse, the person publishing has to pay to be published these days. Grants are written in such a manner that you have to be on your toes, and have good ethics. Because of you're not careful the grants are written with the desired outcome included with the acceptence.
Then you have experiments where the equipment is so expensive only universities can afford them. Or, the government has made a random innocent item illegal to own. I don't tend to type so much on my phone, but feel free to ask questions. I usually just type : knowledge filter. It's like a brick wall.
I'm amazed the Wikipedia article on grievance studies is (mostly) accurate.
They can't really change it, because of how well documented it was. They can try, but authors have already sued Wikipedia over lies. That's why there's a few not there. Legally not allowed. They've gone on podcasts saying they got tired of arguing about what their own work was about. Wiki seemed to have forgotten publishing companies I've attorneys.
I absolutely should have included John Money in the list of hacks and frauds pushing an agenda.
His name can't be cited. But, there is work citing him. Then they cite each other. Then they cite another layer. On repeat until it's not obvious that the information came from Money.
That was a homework assignment btw. Verification of citations. I got distracted, and did read much of the material. Another trick they do is cite the result in reverse.
That's what happened with the 5G /FTC vs the cell carriers. The articles linked the reports, but said they meant the opposite of what they meant. Radio waves has not, and will not change. Technology is the application of science. New technology doesn't change the science.
Process Peter Boghossian refers to as 'idea laundering.'
Take a stupid idea, write it down, call it a 'study,' (even though it's not), cite it a bunch of times, and it magically becomes 'scientific knowledge.'
https://www.thecollegefix.com/bulletin-board/idea-laundering-how-bizarre-campus-ideology-finds-its-way-into-the-real-world/
edit oh duh, he's one of the guys who did the fake grievance studies paper. Hahah.
Bullshit producers gatekeeping the production of bullshit to ensure that all new bullshit produced draws upon and supports the previous bullshit, while aspiring bullshit producers stroke and rig and pander their bullshit to meet the tastes of the existing bullshit producers so that one day they can get better bullshit production jobs where they get to gatekeep the production of new bullshit so it keeps THEIR bullshit relevant.
It's all just millions of people, trillions of dollars, and decades of time wasted, isn't it? A civilisational oroboros of brown-nosing.
The people they kill mean nothing to them.
Phrasemaker!
I would go further:
This is the norm now. I have regularly heard of people attempting to document the conditions in mental health facilities being effectively trapped in them and kept from contact with the outside world, even when the doctors are aware you are sane.
That's because an imprisoned sane person is much more cost effective than an genuine mental patient who needs constant care.
Adyn Paladin did good work on this as well.
Upvote. I genuinely don't understand how anyone who lived through COVID can still not only defend, but trust the medical industry. The medical kidnapping and gaslighting are real. We should be all be grateful that Reagan shut down the state institutions because the weaponized government and complicit medical industry would be using them to institutionalize "conspiracy theorists" and political opponents like the Soviets used to.
It's honestly at that point where you have to treat doctors like mechanics.
yeah, okay, 'expert'.
But you don't just trust the dealership. You trust your mechanic, the one you have a relationship with, and the one you know his limitations on. You don't go to "a specialist" you go to the specialist that your mechanic recommends because you trust him, and he trusts that guy.
Effectively, hospitals are like Wal-mart mechanics. They're just whomever can fill the void to do the procedure that's been laid out. They don't really know anything about cars.
The insurance mechanism is what is keeping the system alive. There's no price feedback to the consumer, because of 'walmart mechanic' mentality the hospital administrators are now the pre-eminent doctors, surgeons, and anesthesiologists; and their recommendations for additional treatment are usually so bad even the insurance companies are desperate to not get fucked by them.
We need to desperately privatize and personalize healthcare.
But as for mental health facilities. The prisons might do a better job. Bulldoze the Mental health facilities, and re-open the state asylums.
A friend of mine's wife is a doctor - brain surgeon, basically, though I've never got to nag her about the particulars of her job(invasive as opposed to non).
And from the stuff I've heard her ranting about re: the people she's worked with, my attitude toward the medical community can basically be summed up as 'Whelp, better make sure I never get sick!' Or else go to a really well-vetted doctor I can trust.
Funny enough, I also know a nurse... who retired rather than get a covid shot. I wasn't planning on getting one regardless(and never did), but man did that make me raise an eyebrow or three.
Supposedly nurses are the most difficult group to get to take vaccines, and I don't blame them.
That was a hell of a switch: "Nurses are heroes whom you should worship. If this nurse says get the vaccine, then you fucking do it!"
Then suddenly, "If they don't get injections, they are not nurses, they are terrorists, and we don't negotiate with terrorists."
Except most of the people who were institutionalized are now either in prison or voting democrat. So no, shutting down the loony bins was not a good thing.
You can visit people in different locations, and see the difference. I visited two people in different places, one was like a fucking spa. One looked, and treated them like they were in jail.
What's odd is that I've wondered if the prisons are actually better at taking care of mental health patients over the mental health hospitals because there's more accountability in the prisons.
Prisons play games with human lives. Doctors are choosing to go there for higher pay, and better hours currently.
If the prisoner doesn't have their primary doctor do paperwork making the prison doctor responsible for the prisoner, it won't negatively effect the prison doctors license in any way. The prisoner can be ignored, bullied with non compliance, including with allergies, and serious diseases.
I've shared here before my lil bro lost his eye, and had a cornea replacement. That is something thy requires anti rejection meds. Those meds are cheap, and can't get anyone high. After being told my lil brother wasn't getting that, I called about it. I had to get all, " Spell your name" to get the instructions on how to make sure lil bro got those meds. It was too late, his eye was foggy when he ws found not guilty.
I'm sorry to hear that, and I don't doubt that it happened. My question is, "would a mental health hospital even taken your call?". From the stories I've heard from the people who audited them, even spouses couldn't reach people inside, and no other medical information was being accepted from outside unless asked for.
Mental health includes junkies detoxing. They don't get to have outside interaction. When I was with one loved one, the main room shared a payphone and someone got a call meant for an employee. Because they had the same FIRST name!
With hospitals you have to be put on list. The patient is entirely at the mercy of who's working, and how uch they care. My loved one was prompted to put a long list of people even though they wanted privacy. The nurse had seen people feel unloved because they forgot they didn't put anyone on the list.
As for auditing, the drugs is where they get caught up.
Rosen huh....
I wasn't going to say it, and his "Early Life" section (and subject tags) on Wikipedia are surprisingly scarce. But yes, he was Jewish and attended Yeshiva college. His obituary is clear, and the donation organization are Jewish and Israeli.
To the surprise of no one.
Every. Single. Time.
I think this is one of the many reasons scientists around the world will re-try experiments that we already know, to see if what we know is still true.
As a few examples: Everything from water can sustain life, but is itself not alive. Same with air. How we think the basic concepts of physics and gravity work. How seeds germinate. All of it. Someone is doing these things every few years. Once a decade, I believe.
Just to be sure that we know what we know is how it's supposed to be and that it's true.
Karen Horney was a direct student of Freud, and in a complete fit of womanly tantrum decided to just flip the switch on everything he said and founded her own school about "womb envy" and "men with mommy issues are what's wrong with society" just to stick it to him. Including forcing a very abusive and creepy "you must attend all sessions for a year no matter what" contract to properly brainwash them into agreeing with her.
And now a century later Freud is considered an iffy if groundbreaking source, though a lot of his findings are coming back around, while Horney is literal Feminist fundamentalism and still taught to this day. To the point where many of her "beliefs" are basic and accepted in regular society, and you can trace direct lines to her from many of the cultural movements of the second half of the 1900s.
Before all the gay and gender shit in Psychology, it was being strangled in the womb by Feminism and women. It never had a chance to be a "science" and all good it manages is in spite of what women did to it.
Also the only "science" in Psychology you could ever trust is I/O Psych. Because that one is in direct benefit to the Elites and Rich, so its as pure as can be because they don't expect anyone to ever read it but them to see how abusive and evil it is. But it did prove over and over that yes pizza parties do stop unions and quitting.
FYI feminism in 2024 is the patriarchy because it's overtaken by Pickmeshas giving hail to the Almighty transgender ideology. Aka men deciding they women telling women they don't matter. This was planned in the Gay Manefeato published in 1970. That was an unfortunate example for you to use, because even if philosophically I could track your line of thought with, " womb envy". Have you seen the crazy shit the TIM's are posting?!
Feminism has so many waves it's been mocked for being degree worthy. With that in mind, I'll simply tell you there was a wave of feminism that believed if you weren't lesbian, you weren't a feminist. Good thing it moved on. We would not be here disagreeing. The gay manifesto planned exactly what you see today. While you should read it, I will warn you it's gross.
Feminism when I was growing up was, I'm not helpless. Perhaps focusing on Women's Suffrage would be more conducive for discussion?
No, pizza parties aren't what's stopping unions. It's companies gaming the system. By law you have to discuss unionization before, after work, or when all parties are off. Did you think HR was being kind paying for those dumb ass parties? Then HR tells you you're, " not a team player" if you skip them. Because they want eyes on you.
Why do you think 12 hr shifts require 15 min before schedule clock ins? Because then by law someone will always be clocked in.
Its not my line of thought. Its hers. Because men "cannot create" due to their lack of womb, they react "violently and destructively" and do all the negative things men do. These are things she was pushing hard into American culture in the early 1900s, well before any of the subversives of the 70s were born. And it had much of the same Jewish Elite backing as people like Kinsey and Money did when they started their nonsense.
Congrats, you didn't know a thing about the movement you were parroting. That's more indicative of how ignorant you were rather than some redemption for feminism. That's how Feminism was able to convince women to leave the comfort of their homes and children and become soulless wagies like the rest of us, while their kids get raised by someone else. Giving them cool phrases like "I'm not helpless!" to make them not notice the consequences of the changes they were pushing for.
They absolutely are. That's why its such a common thing across so many industries. It plays off basic emotional manipulation and social pressures to control workers. Those little retarded gifts work on the vast majority of people to keep them just on the side of the line before they finally snap and make big decisions.
Its the cheapest option they can get away with to continue exploiting people the way they continue to. And they have paid millions to get data showing it.
It's the AGP TIM's that want to be called, " penis wielders" while calling women womb holders. Yes, I'm a TERF. No, I don't fuck with the fake shit. I was raised by a single man. I raised two sons. If it's not equal it's wrong. Fighting for equality was remarkable at the time of the women's suffrage movement. There are places in the world woman are still treated like less than. Your comments that could be straight from the mouth of an Islamic State rapist isn't doing you justice.
Congratulations, you ignored the Spice Girls generation girl power after my generation. Clearly your preconceived notions are clouding your ability to even attempt to learn another perspective.
Stop regurgitating Islamic State talking points about women. Now, if you'd like to discuss the probability of the feminism movement being co-opted... Most are. But, THE GAY MANIFESTO SPELLED IT OUT. Read it.
https://www.history.com/news/7-things-you-might-not-know-about-the-womens-suffrage-movement
https://kids.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/womens-suffrage-movement#:~:text=They%20wanted%20to%20be%20treated,front%20of%20Congress%2C%20and%20vote.
Paid millions... You mean textbooks with bullshit? Or you mean HR certifications that are political? Have you seen what's going on in HR these days?
https://pages.technologyadvice.com/best-human-resources-2024-B-lp?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=hr%20software%20programs&utm_campaign=20943380631&utm_device=m&cq_src=google_ads&cq_cmp=20943380631&cq_net=g&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw0aS3BhA3EiwAKaD2Zf-4OMz04ch5pxhA2WOxsjybpLO-EdjzZ2O5fVinVQQFfUWFOun8txoCcMAQAvD_BwE
Pay attention to, " engagement" which is PC speak for that person isn't going along with the bullshit, and apps for employees. Apps for employees is the company data mining your personal device. They even do company payday loans making company slaves that can't quit.
When you're done showing you have nothing but politics behind your stupid comments. I click links. I don't sleep well. I get easily distracted. This HR shit had my attention years ago because even Lexus Nexus got in on the game. Don't EVER work for a company that's self insured. You don't want HR in your medical business.
Yes that's 2024. We are talking about the early 1900s and the history behind a critical political person whose work would set the foundation for must of what is being pushed now.
Since you can't comprehend that basic fact so that you can talk about "me me and my beliefs!" like a retarded woman, nothing further will come of this conversation.
No. It doesn't work in a vaccum because you say so, so that you can feel good online. Taken as a whole, you're part of the problem.
Even being warned still making manosphere comments exactly like the Islamic state.
Clearly didn't bother looking at a single citation. Go waste someone elses time. You can't ruin my day, you're already ruined. I don't waste timed oboist causes anymore.
Maybe if feminists hadn't abused these men (and society in general) to the point that these weird AGPs have become "accepted," normal women wouldn't have to deal with them.
Chickens coming home to roost and all.
You aren't wrong about everything, but you're still a feminist bigot.
Why would I waste time look at your citations when you've already shown yourself to be retarded? I read the first line and disregarded everything else as inane babble.
I've been an anti-feminist, misogynist for decades. You will have to do better than name calling and "you are just like baddie guys!" to make me flinch in my beliefs.
I will give you one thing, I was wrong about nothing further coming from this. You've given me a laugh and helped remind me that I've been right all along. RadFems still are completely worthless and TERFs can never be an ally, even if we both hate trannies.
No one cares if you flinch. TERF's are the only ones getting shit done Staying the you've been right all along, bragging about refusing to look at citations.
Got aware someone else time like you're a waste of air.
He was jewish, athiest, zionist, and a total fraud.
SoS
A fellow named (((David Rosennan))) lying to subvert our society? What a surprise!
Back around 1997, I read Scull's book "Museums of Madness" about English asylums in the 19th-century and was really impressed.
They tried every damn method to "cure" the insane. Faith in technological innovation eventually led to the current state of psychiatry and was a major factor in the medicalization of insanity, the colossal mistake documented and described so well by Thomas Szasz.