All choices are bad in this election. Trump and the quisling GOP may be slightly less bad in that while they're still going to take orders from the DNC they'll implement them a bit slower.
These days I'm a bit of an accelerationist, though. The faster we hit rock bottom the sooner we can start rebuilding.
You're an "accelerationist" who talks about how he's going to escape to Argentina. That's not rebuilding. You don't get to say "one of us" when someone expresses a desire to actually stick around to fix things.
Oh, I agree that you live in a shittier place than I do. My point is that the other guy—and the accelerationist philosophy in general—is saying "collapse is inevitable, but if it happens soon, [my group] has a chance to survive the worst and rebuild with people that aren't retards, because all the retards will have died or been driven out in the extreme civil unrest that follows collapse." When someone says "I'm an accelerationist because the sooner we hit rock bottom, the sooner we can rebuild," the implication is that he expects to be literally fighting and killing and starving in order to get that chance to rebuild.
Then you come along and say "yeah, I'm gonna sit out all those horrors in a nation that isn't collapsing. I totally support pulling it all down on my way out the door, though. We're exactly the same."
I'm not trying to denigrate you for leaving; I don't think it's irrational, I don't think it's a bad choice, I agree that maybe the UK is already lost, I'm not even sure that I think accelerationism is correct. Those are all a bunch of separate debates. What I'm taking issue with is the fact that you're planning to leave and also lumping yourself in with a guy who says he's going to stay and fight. To continue your analogy of historical terms, it's like you exiled yourself but then you show up after a regime change and talk about how harsh you had it in the gulag. It's fine to leave, but you have to recognize that you are leaving, and other people are staying, and that if, as you put it, you get a chance to "return when things have calmed down," there's a very good chance that's because of the people who stayed and went through a much harsher time than you did.
Tampa's mayor is an openly communist lesbian who jacks up property taxes to fund programs such as e-bike purchasing assistance. Tampa's sheriff released murderers and rapists from prison during covid with predictable results. Human trafficking tunnels were just found all over downtown Tampa and Ybor.
This whole "Cuban anti communism" doesn't seem to be doing much.
He's been allowing audience members to speak on stage for a while because he GENUINELY has their support so they'll publicly praise him. .
This one..was not as good because he spoke another language than English. If he said it all in English it would've been better since he'd be seen more as an integrated immigrant.
Yeah, I'm often pretty critical of posts calling out Trump, because it's often agenda-driven but...there's no excuse for this.
As someone else said, SPEAK ENGLISH.
Friendly reminder that conservatism is just progressivism going the speed limit.
It wish it wasn't the case, but it is. It's kind of tragic, because I do think it actually comes from a good place. It's funny; they call the right fascists and authoritarians, but the right is generally much more principled...often to the point of uselessness. And they always seem to desire to be liked by the people who clearly hate them and everything they stand for.
"...gracias por venir aquí soportar presidente Trump..."
Soportar sounds like "support", but it actually means "to put up with", or "to tolerate". The word for "support" is "apoyar", which sounds like "approve".
Perhaps it's just a regional thing, where wherever he grew up (Cuba? Venezuela? Here?), has a different meaning, or is actually just Spanglish, but that's not what the official Spanish dictionary says.
Maybe the coal burner Lauren Southern has a point about browns and Muslims taking over the Western right, and turning it into a macho melting pot. A lot of wignats hate white women more than brown men though, and will probably be fine with white women burning coal as long as they get to napalm a rice field or "make white guy tacos" in exchange.
I found the full rally on Youtube. Here's the context at nearly exactly the two hour mark if it doesn't come through.
The speaker is from Venezuela and of Cuban heritage and makes the speech in English and then repeats it in Spanish. My Spanish is basic, but he spoke fairly clearly and from what I make out, I believe he repeated the same content in Spanish.
My opinion, I'd prefer to keep it to English. I am more irritated with the manipulation. Deliberately leaving the English portion out serves to misinform, agitate, and make us look like fools. There is no reason to present the entire speech, he only spoke for a few minutes.
And we are to "look at the faces in the crowd". Everyone in this thread seems to be just up voting it, and puking out their unfiltered stream of consciousness. This thread is 9 hours old, and nothing about it makes sense. I don't need to be spoon fed, but I shouldn't have to guess at what the topic is.
If you won't watch a 22 second video, why would you spend time reading the thread and responding? Or do you need to be told what emotional response you ought to have to stimuli?
Spark has been making a lot of anti-trump whining threads lately. That's all this is, whinging / concern trolling, feeding the conpro maggots trying to slide / destroy the board.
The concept of "forum sliding" is fucking stupid. People post messages to message boards. Some people post messages to multiple message boards. That's not some nefarious action.
That said, yes, he's been posting doomer bullshit about Trump a lot lately. Trump isn't perfect but most of his posts have been stupid.
Spark is being a fag, and the conpro maggots are both not legitimate members of this community and either deliberately malicious or useful idiot class participants of a fed psyop against any uncontrolled right wing movements.
Forum sliding, brigading, and the attempts to gain positions of power in forums are tools they have employed or attempted to employ numerous times on this and other boards. Information warfare and artificial manipulation of perception are major tools of the globalist. You are on a board that is a PRIME target for that kind of activity - the elites did not like gamergate disrupting their social engineering efforts.
You mean the latinos who vote 80% democrat and are the reason california is solid blue post reagans treasoboys amnesty?
https://files.catbox.moe/sxp361.png
"ALL BROWNZ VOTE THE SAME AND ALL NON BROWNZ VOTE THE SAME"
No faggot, different ethnic groups vote differently, particularly if those are specific types of immigrant ethnic groups that are immigrants from specific places, and for specific reasons. You are physically incapable of seeing any amount of nuance thanks to your retarded historical dialectic.
Most of Donald Trump's gains have been in Latinos, and Latino's from Venezuela have made Florida absolutely solid Red. His gains among Latinos are why he's winning in Arizona, and may even score a win in New Mexico.
One ethnic group he's doing terribly with is Anglos. New England, Anglo, Whites are one of his worst preforming ethnic groups. It's one of the only groups he's lost ground with in both 2020 and 2024. Not because the New England Anglos are all die-hard White Nationalists, but because they are staunchly Left-wing. Anglos are more Leftist than Anti-Communist Venezuelans by a long shot.
Keep crying about "based minorities" all you want, but it's the Anglican Church that worships George Floyd more than Jesus.
Funny how every time latinos are polled, and everytime they vote, they always go 80% democrat and how reagans amnesty of latinos resulted in solid blue california. If only latinos or blacks voted the usa would be solid blue all 50 statrs thus the reason democral and blm shills like you push for open borders and diversity.
Almost like latinos love dehumanizing Whites with critical race theory and affirmative action (latino and black privledge), along with having an open border.
Whites vote net gop at 56%, while latinos and blacks vote net democrst at 80/90% respectively but tell me more about muh based minoritirino. Funny how you refuse to love in diverse areas like chicago, san francisco, or minnopolis.
Now if Trump pandered to Whites the same way he did to blacks (black caucus, platnium plan reparations) or to latinos (letting them skip the line without assimulation), and talked about the problems Whites face (like he specifically calls out problems so called faced by blacks and latinos) he would win back the Whites.
But instead he rather pander to groups who vote blue no matter who
So, you've failed to look at those polls because you've successfully confused your anti-black narrative with your anti-latino narrative. Republicans have routinely pushed past 30% in presidential races, and have also gotten majority latino votes at lower level races.
Some of Trump's biggest latino support is because of his policies for: support for religiosity, strong border, and anti-communism.
You do not understand that different latino groups have different attitudes because you stop at the broadest level of analysis.
Now if Trump pandered to Whites the same way he did to blacks (black caucus, platnium plan reparations)
"Treat white people like the way indians and blacks have been treated! Things will totally go our way then! Ignore what racial socialism has done to black and indian communities. White socialism's never been tried!"
The last thing that white people need is government race control over them.
he would win back the Whites.
No, he wouldn't you fucking idiot. Again, you stop at the single highest level of analysis.
Trump's worst group he's preforming with are Sweedes and Anglos. He makes almost no headway on them because those groups are dedicated Leftist voting ethnic groups. If he wanted to win those ethnic groups over, he'd have to have National George Floyd day. He basically can't win more of the white vote, because the rest are eggless white feminist librarians, middle-managerial over-educated whites, Antifa, and Martha's Vineyard bleeding heart upper-class whites. Hell, Trump has to go Left economically just to win back Union Dem whites that thought Joe Biden would be a return to normalcy. They didn't realize that they are considered a racial enemy by the rest of the Democratic party. He's basically maxxed out the white vote he'll ever get. Most Republicans will never get the level of white vote that he has, because he's the only one that can turn out the low-propensity and no-propensity voters; and the remainder of the white vote is Leftist.
Instead, his messaging of voting on cultural values and class similarity is actually what's changing everything for the better and bringing over not only minority voters; but young voters. Young voters are not rabid storm-fags. They're about as socially liberal as millennials, but they are even more economically disenfranchised and cynical.
The only white people who are interested in white racialism are you! You're actually fucking irrelevant. You have no communities, and the vast and sweeping majority of the American white population either thinks your stupid, or actively wants to hurt you because they are Leftists. Stop crying that jews hypnotized them, and realize that white supremacism was a progressive cause that was abandoned 70 years ago because it never actually helped anybody (just like it doesn't help indians or blacks).
Trump criticized Jeb for speaking Spanish in his speeches. Now, he brings a guy on to do the same thing. Trump has changed for the worse. I would say you're in denial, but I think you actually prefer this multi-cultural Trump.
No, plenty of people don’t learn English at all, because nothing forces them to. Like help lines in Spanish, web pages in Spanish and, now, presidential candidates allowing people to repeat messages in Spanish. Mainstreaming non-English languages directly removes incentives for assimilation.
Trumps still (until Kamala steals it) the only candidate pushing mass deportation. You'd think they would be happy, but an audience member spoke Spanish so it's coconut time.
Open borders and selling out your countries to foreigners who dont even have the decency to assimulate (ie speak english) is far left communism. Fuck off the uk, the government there is perfect for traitors like you
'We love our immigrants who refuse to assimilate, don't we pedes?'
Which way western man?
Heads they win. Tails we lose.
All choices are bad in this election. Trump and the quisling GOP may be slightly less bad in that while they're still going to take orders from the DNC they'll implement them a bit slower.
These days I'm a bit of an accelerationist, though. The faster we hit rock bottom the sooner we can start rebuilding.
How many examples can you point to where that worked out well for people who want what we want?
The United States (ironically) is one.
Any others?
Never know until you know
Doesn't seem like a great strategy tbh, especially with the advancement of propaganda techniques at their disposal compared to historical comparisons.
You're an "accelerationist" who talks about how he's going to escape to Argentina. That's not rebuilding. You don't get to say "one of us" when someone expresses a desire to actually stick around to fix things.
Oh, I agree that you live in a shittier place than I do. My point is that the other guy—and the accelerationist philosophy in general—is saying "collapse is inevitable, but if it happens soon, [my group] has a chance to survive the worst and rebuild with people that aren't retards, because all the retards will have died or been driven out in the extreme civil unrest that follows collapse." When someone says "I'm an accelerationist because the sooner we hit rock bottom, the sooner we can rebuild," the implication is that he expects to be literally fighting and killing and starving in order to get that chance to rebuild.
Then you come along and say "yeah, I'm gonna sit out all those horrors in a nation that isn't collapsing. I totally support pulling it all down on my way out the door, though. We're exactly the same."
It's insulting.
I'm not trying to denigrate you for leaving; I don't think it's irrational, I don't think it's a bad choice, I agree that maybe the UK is already lost, I'm not even sure that I think accelerationism is correct. Those are all a bunch of separate debates. What I'm taking issue with is the fact that you're planning to leave and also lumping yourself in with a guy who says he's going to stay and fight. To continue your analogy of historical terms, it's like you exiled yourself but then you show up after a regime change and talk about how harsh you had it in the gulag. It's fine to leave, but you have to recognize that you are leaving, and other people are staying, and that if, as you put it, you get a chance to "return when things have calmed down," there's a very good chance that's because of the people who stayed and went through a much harsher time than you did.
On one hand, SPEAK ENGLISH. On the other hand, I appreciate the pure, distilled hatred of communism that Cubans bring to the table.
I really don't care that much about communism vs capitalism anymore, multi racial capitalist country doesn't sound appealing
Tampa is predominately Cuban.
Tampa's mayor is an openly communist lesbian who jacks up property taxes to fund programs such as e-bike purchasing assistance. Tampa's sheriff released murderers and rapists from prison during covid with predictable results. Human trafficking tunnels were just found all over downtown Tampa and Ybor.
This whole "Cuban anti communism" doesn't seem to be doing much.
He's been allowing audience members to speak on stage for a while because he GENUINELY has their support so they'll publicly praise him. .
This one..was not as good because he spoke another language than English. If he said it all in English it would've been better since he'd be seen more as an integrated immigrant.
Apparently you can get a free vasectomy at the DNC. Maybe Trump felt the need to one-up them by castrating an entire rally audience at once.
Ooooof.
Yeah, I'm often pretty critical of posts calling out Trump, because it's often agenda-driven but...there's no excuse for this.
As someone else said, SPEAK ENGLISH.
Friendly reminder that conservatism is just progressivism going the speed limit.
It wish it wasn't the case, but it is. It's kind of tragic, because I do think it actually comes from a good place. It's funny; they call the right fascists and authoritarians, but the right is generally much more principled...often to the point of uselessness. And they always seem to desire to be liked by the people who clearly hate them and everything they stand for.
"...gracias por venir aquí soportar presidente Trump..."
Soportar sounds like "support", but it actually means "to put up with", or "to tolerate". The word for "support" is "apoyar", which sounds like "approve".
Perhaps it's just a regional thing, where wherever he grew up (Cuba? Venezuela? Here?), has a different meaning, or is actually just Spanglish, but that's not what the official Spanish dictionary says.
It's Spanglish.
But muh based cubanrino who hates commies!
Muh based latinos who turned california solid blue and who vote 80% democrat https://files.catbox.moe/sxp361.png
Where was the booing and heckling? Boo the shit he does that you don't like, he notices when his crowd turns.
Because the only political position one can have is multiculturalism globalism and replacement. Anything else is racist.
Maybe the coal burner Lauren Southern has a point about browns and Muslims taking over the Western right, and turning it into a macho melting pot. A lot of wignats hate white women more than brown men though, and will probably be fine with white women burning coal as long as they get to napalm a rice field or "make white guy tacos" in exchange.
(I'm not sorry)
What was the context and what'd the guy say?
https://youtu.be/2ipHqmPs4Ao?t=7201
I found the full rally on Youtube. Here's the context at nearly exactly the two hour mark if it doesn't come through.
The speaker is from Venezuela and of Cuban heritage and makes the speech in English and then repeats it in Spanish. My Spanish is basic, but he spoke fairly clearly and from what I make out, I believe he repeated the same content in Spanish.
My opinion, I'd prefer to keep it to English. I am more irritated with the manipulation. Deliberately leaving the English portion out serves to misinform, agitate, and make us look like fools. There is no reason to present the entire speech, he only spoke for a few minutes.
He's cuban, left Cuba due to communism, went to Venezuela... then it ends there.
And we are to "look at the faces in the crowd". Everyone in this thread seems to be just up voting it, and puking out their unfiltered stream of consciousness. This thread is 9 hours old, and nothing about it makes sense. I don't need to be spoon fed, but I shouldn't have to guess at what the topic is.
If you won't watch a 22 second video, why would you spend time reading the thread and responding? Or do you need to be told what emotional response you ought to have to stimuli?
OH, so the point of this thread is to invoke an emotional response. Got it.
Do we need a specific prompt for a discussion to take place?
That is what is known in grammar as "a topic".
Spark has been making a lot of anti-trump whining threads lately. That's all this is, whinging / concern trolling, feeding the conpro maggots trying to slide / destroy the board.
Spark has been here forever.
The concept of "forum sliding" is fucking stupid. People post messages to message boards. Some people post messages to multiple message boards. That's not some nefarious action.
That said, yes, he's been posting doomer bullshit about Trump a lot lately. Trump isn't perfect but most of his posts have been stupid.
Spark is being a fag, and the conpro maggots are both not legitimate members of this community and either deliberately malicious or useful idiot class participants of a fed psyop against any uncontrolled right wing movements.
Forum sliding, brigading, and the attempts to gain positions of power in forums are tools they have employed or attempted to employ numerous times on this and other boards. Information warfare and artificial manipulation of perception are major tools of the globalist. You are on a board that is a PRIME target for that kind of activity - the elites did not like gamergate disrupting their social engineering efforts.
Don't you just hate it when Anti-Communist latinos undermine the White Socialism you're trying to cultivate?
Keep crying faggots.
You mean the latinos who vote 80% democrat and are the reason california is solid blue post reagans treasoboys amnesty? https://files.catbox.moe/sxp361.png
Whites are the only group who votes net gop
"ALL BROWNZ VOTE THE SAME AND ALL NON BROWNZ VOTE THE SAME"
No faggot, different ethnic groups vote differently, particularly if those are specific types of immigrant ethnic groups that are immigrants from specific places, and for specific reasons. You are physically incapable of seeing any amount of nuance thanks to your retarded historical dialectic.
Most of Donald Trump's gains have been in Latinos, and Latino's from Venezuela have made Florida absolutely solid Red. His gains among Latinos are why he's winning in Arizona, and may even score a win in New Mexico.
One ethnic group he's doing terribly with is Anglos. New England, Anglo, Whites are one of his worst preforming ethnic groups. It's one of the only groups he's lost ground with in both 2020 and 2024. Not because the New England Anglos are all die-hard White Nationalists, but because they are staunchly Left-wing. Anglos are more Leftist than Anti-Communist Venezuelans by a long shot.
Keep crying about "based minorities" all you want, but it's the Anglican Church that worships George Floyd more than Jesus.
Funny how every time latinos are polled, and everytime they vote, they always go 80% democrat and how reagans amnesty of latinos resulted in solid blue california. If only latinos or blacks voted the usa would be solid blue all 50 statrs thus the reason democral and blm shills like you push for open borders and diversity.
Almost like latinos love dehumanizing Whites with critical race theory and affirmative action (latino and black privledge), along with having an open border.
Whites vote net gop at 56%, while latinos and blacks vote net democrst at 80/90% respectively but tell me more about muh based minoritirino. Funny how you refuse to love in diverse areas like chicago, san francisco, or minnopolis.
Now if Trump pandered to Whites the same way he did to blacks (black caucus, platnium plan reparations) or to latinos (letting them skip the line without assimulation), and talked about the problems Whites face (like he specifically calls out problems so called faced by blacks and latinos) he would win back the Whites.
But instead he rather pander to groups who vote blue no matter who
So, you've failed to look at those polls because you've successfully confused your anti-black narrative with your anti-latino narrative. Republicans have routinely pushed past 30% in presidential races, and have also gotten majority latino votes at lower level races.
Some of Trump's biggest latino support is because of his policies for: support for religiosity, strong border, and anti-communism.
You do not understand that different latino groups have different attitudes because you stop at the broadest level of analysis.
"Treat white people like the way indians and blacks have been treated! Things will totally go our way then! Ignore what racial socialism has done to black and indian communities. White socialism's never been tried!"
The last thing that white people need is government race control over them.
No, he wouldn't you fucking idiot. Again, you stop at the single highest level of analysis.
Trump's worst group he's preforming with are Sweedes and Anglos. He makes almost no headway on them because those groups are dedicated Leftist voting ethnic groups. If he wanted to win those ethnic groups over, he'd have to have National George Floyd day. He basically can't win more of the white vote, because the rest are eggless white feminist librarians, middle-managerial over-educated whites, Antifa, and Martha's Vineyard bleeding heart upper-class whites. Hell, Trump has to go Left economically just to win back Union Dem whites that thought Joe Biden would be a return to normalcy. They didn't realize that they are considered a racial enemy by the rest of the Democratic party. He's basically maxxed out the white vote he'll ever get. Most Republicans will never get the level of white vote that he has, because he's the only one that can turn out the low-propensity and no-propensity voters; and the remainder of the white vote is Leftist.
Instead, his messaging of voting on cultural values and class similarity is actually what's changing everything for the better and bringing over not only minority voters; but young voters. Young voters are not rabid storm-fags. They're about as socially liberal as millennials, but they are even more economically disenfranchised and cynical.
The only white people who are interested in white racialism are you! You're actually fucking irrelevant. You have no communities, and the vast and sweeping majority of the American white population either thinks your stupid, or actively wants to hurt you because they are Leftists. Stop crying that jews hypnotized them, and realize that white supremacism was a progressive cause that was abandoned 70 years ago because it never actually helped anybody (just like it doesn't help indians or blacks).
Trump criticized Jeb for speaking Spanish in his speeches. Now, he brings a guy on to do the same thing. Trump has changed for the worse. I would say you're in denial, but I think you actually prefer this multi-cultural Trump.
There's a pretty big difference between speaking spanish in a debate, and getting a guest to speak spanish at your own rally, you dishonest hack.
Both of them are pandering to recent immigrants and embracing multiculturalism.
Embracing assimilation is the opposite of embracing multi-culturalism.
Speaking Spanish is the opposite of assimilating.
There's not a language requirement as it is. Plenty of people learn English after they arrive, not so much before. Get over it.
No, plenty of people don’t learn English at all, because nothing forces them to. Like help lines in Spanish, web pages in Spanish and, now, presidential candidates allowing people to repeat messages in Spanish. Mainstreaming non-English languages directly removes incentives for assimilation.
Anyone who has called any sort of phone help line in the last twenty years knows better.
Trumps still (until Kamala steals it) the only candidate pushing mass deportation. You'd think they would be happy, but an audience member spoke Spanish so it's coconut time.
Happy about latinos voting 80% democrat? https://files.catbox.moe/sxp361.png
National Socialists are Socialists are Leftists.
They don't want Right-wing populism to win, or even gain momentum. They are the definition of controlled opposition.
Open borders and selling out your countries to foreigners who dont even have the decency to assimulate (ie speak english) is far left communism. Fuck off the uk, the government there is perfect for traitors like you
This is a Trump rally, what are you even talking about?
This was stupid.
At least do that shit In California bro.
Yo voy a votar por Donald Trump.