You're an "accelerationist" who talks about how he's going to escape to Argentina. That's not rebuilding. You don't get to say "one of us" when someone expresses a desire to actually stick around to fix things.
I'd much rather help the Argentinians succeed because they actually seem to give a shit about things like basic economics whereas a lot of the Europeans don't. I have hope for the Americans, but for them it's going to be an uphill battle because there are plenty of TDS sufferers and white guilt going around in that country.
What exactly is the point in offering real solutions to the problems people face who will openly hate you for it exactly? I live on TERF island as well for fuck's sake if that wasn't enough. You don't understand because you likely live in a somewhat stable country, in Britain it is reality now that if you dare to suggest mass importing foreign criminals is a bad idea you'll get arrested for it and the population will cheer it on.
Oh, I agree that you live in a shittier place than I do. My point is that the other guy—and the accelerationist philosophy in general—is saying "collapse is inevitable, but if it happens soon, [my group] has a chance to survive the worst and rebuild with people that aren't retards, because all the retards will have died or been driven out in the extreme civil unrest that follows collapse." When someone says "I'm an accelerationist because the sooner we hit rock bottom, the sooner we can rebuild," the implication is that he expects to be literally fighting and killing and starving in order to get that chance to rebuild.
Then you come along and say "yeah, I'm gonna sit out all those horrors in a nation that isn't collapsing. I totally support pulling it all down on my way out the door, though. We're exactly the same."
I do get why you feel that way believe it or not, here's where I'm coming from though regarding that. When the only option in staying is that you're actually going to a gulag and starved to death simply for being a wrong thinker I think it's completely justifiable. That is what is starting to happen in my country, that's not to say I wouldn't potentially come back though and help everyone out if they finally realised what a mistake they made.
I'm still sort of weighing things up, but the normies have made it clear where they stand currently. The rioters are one thing but normies want people in jail for simply posting or saying things online. This is also why I've kept full on opsec with regards to my family members etc. because they don't know about any of what I've got planned. The most I've told them is about me getting a motorbike license lol. They don't know that I'm learning airplane instruments and everything for real.
I think unfortunately we are going to have to wait for the whole thing to burn itself out like the Soviet Union. That means though depending on how bad things are you have to get yourself out of the way pronto. If the stabby migrants don't get me it's going to be a knock on my door for living on my own and being single.
To put it in historical terms, it's the equivalent of exiling yourself from a country in order to escape political persecution and you return when things have either calmed down or you're in a stronger position to do something.
I'm not trying to denigrate you for leaving; I don't think it's irrational, I don't think it's a bad choice, I agree that maybe the UK is already lost, I'm not even sure that I think accelerationism is correct. Those are all a bunch of separate debates. What I'm taking issue with is the fact that you're planning to leave and also lumping yourself in with a guy who says he's going to stay and fight. To continue your analogy of historical terms, it's like you exiled yourself but then you show up after a regime change and talk about how harsh you had it in the gulag. It's fine to leave, but you have to recognize that you are leaving, and other people are staying, and that if, as you put it, you get a chance to "return when things have calmed down," there's a very good chance that's because of the people who stayed and went through a much harsher time than you did.
You're an "accelerationist" who talks about how he's going to escape to Argentina. That's not rebuilding. You don't get to say "one of us" when someone expresses a desire to actually stick around to fix things.
I'd much rather help the Argentinians succeed because they actually seem to give a shit about things like basic economics whereas a lot of the Europeans don't. I have hope for the Americans, but for them it's going to be an uphill battle because there are plenty of TDS sufferers and white guilt going around in that country.
What exactly is the point in offering real solutions to the problems people face who will openly hate you for it exactly? I live on TERF island as well for fuck's sake if that wasn't enough. You don't understand because you likely live in a somewhat stable country, in Britain it is reality now that if you dare to suggest mass importing foreign criminals is a bad idea you'll get arrested for it and the population will cheer it on.
Oh, I agree that you live in a shittier place than I do. My point is that the other guy—and the accelerationist philosophy in general—is saying "collapse is inevitable, but if it happens soon, [my group] has a chance to survive the worst and rebuild with people that aren't retards, because all the retards will have died or been driven out in the extreme civil unrest that follows collapse." When someone says "I'm an accelerationist because the sooner we hit rock bottom, the sooner we can rebuild," the implication is that he expects to be literally fighting and killing and starving in order to get that chance to rebuild.
Then you come along and say "yeah, I'm gonna sit out all those horrors in a nation that isn't collapsing. I totally support pulling it all down on my way out the door, though. We're exactly the same."
It's insulting.
I do get why you feel that way believe it or not, here's where I'm coming from though regarding that. When the only option in staying is that you're actually going to a gulag and starved to death simply for being a wrong thinker I think it's completely justifiable. That is what is starting to happen in my country, that's not to say I wouldn't potentially come back though and help everyone out if they finally realised what a mistake they made.
I'm still sort of weighing things up, but the normies have made it clear where they stand currently. The rioters are one thing but normies want people in jail for simply posting or saying things online. This is also why I've kept full on opsec with regards to my family members etc. because they don't know about any of what I've got planned. The most I've told them is about me getting a motorbike license lol. They don't know that I'm learning airplane instruments and everything for real.
I think unfortunately we are going to have to wait for the whole thing to burn itself out like the Soviet Union. That means though depending on how bad things are you have to get yourself out of the way pronto. If the stabby migrants don't get me it's going to be a knock on my door for living on my own and being single.
To put it in historical terms, it's the equivalent of exiling yourself from a country in order to escape political persecution and you return when things have either calmed down or you're in a stronger position to do something.
I'm not trying to denigrate you for leaving; I don't think it's irrational, I don't think it's a bad choice, I agree that maybe the UK is already lost, I'm not even sure that I think accelerationism is correct. Those are all a bunch of separate debates. What I'm taking issue with is the fact that you're planning to leave and also lumping yourself in with a guy who says he's going to stay and fight. To continue your analogy of historical terms, it's like you exiled yourself but then you show up after a regime change and talk about how harsh you had it in the gulag. It's fine to leave, but you have to recognize that you are leaving, and other people are staying, and that if, as you put it, you get a chance to "return when things have calmed down," there's a very good chance that's because of the people who stayed and went through a much harsher time than you did.